Sick plants please help !!!!!!

[Guest]

Both of these are at 40 days 12/12 and in the same mix:

600w HPS for flowering

80% peat 20% perlite with these amendments per cubic foot:

1 cup bone meal
1/2 cup blood meal
1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup dolomite lime
1/2 cup 5-3-3 all purpose organic fert w/ micros

I've used this mix more than a few times without problems

Soil PH is approx 6.5 - 7

I fed the Arjan's x NL5 haze once with a light dose of 5-1-1 fish fert at around 3 weeks into flower. It was starting to show signs of an N deficiency.

Other than that they've only been fed light compost teas w/ molasses.

I had the same problem with the haze last go around and she never recovered.

The problems really just started about a week ago and seem to be progressing very fast. The Lifesaver is almost done but the haze has about 40 days left and she's not looking like she's gonna make it that long if I don't fix the problem.

These plants looked really healthy 2 weeks ago and were growing very nice before they took a turn for the worst.

Thanks in advance for any help you guys (and girls MynameStitch) can give me.
CH

 

[Guest]

Here's a few pics from about 2 weeks ago you can see how fast it has progressed.

Lifesaver



Haze




Here's a pic of the haze from 10 days ago

 

[sproutco]

Ph should be closer to 6. Use the pour through method of testing this. Directions are in my signature below. It appears your new growth is yellower than your bottom growth. Is this true?

 

[Guest]

What's weird is it seems to be effecting the plants at all stages. New growth, old fan leaves, and intermediate growth all the same. This is what's stumping me.

PH 6.5 is what it always is never had problems like this before.

The only thing that I just noticed is that it's worse on the sides that are closest to the light. That being said, these plants are on the outside of my garden and furthest from the light. The plants in the center are doing just fine and in the same mix with the same ph.

 

[sproutco]

I am pretty sure your ph should be lower. Check out what they say in this thread. Spend a few minutes. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=23140&page=1&pp=15 Aren't the leaf tips going round and round like a pigs tail? Might be copper deficiency. Too much nitrogen or phosphorus + high ph.

Click on this to enlarge

 

[Guest]

EDIT: stoner moment...... These plants are in peat/perlite w/ the amendments listed above

The pig tailing is only happening once the leaf is dead at that part and not before it's dead if that counts.

Think I should flush with PH adjusted water?

That plant is seeded too if that matters.

 

[Guest]

I'm going to try a transplant into some new peat/ pelite without the amendments.......

 

[Guest]

A heavy peat base mix will lock up the nitrogen, should be around 40% max.
to solve that problem and maybe its too late but you can try,
Master thinks on next batch he thinks that this batch is already done right very close to pull ???
use next time 1 cup of Dolemite per cubic foot of soil mix,
**** Rule of Thumb----use this in even commerical mixs too regardless they say its in the mix , use this ratio.
or 2 tablespoons at the base of plant if in a 5 gal black pot already & work into be careful not to tear roots at base when working dolemite in,
use a kitchen fork for the job.
this will solve ur problems.
good luck,
peace ,
Master Thai ;-)

 

[sproutco]

EDIT: stoner moment...... These plants are in peat/perlite w/ the amendments listed above.

Optimum ph is 5.6 to 6.2 in peat perlite mixes not 6.5. Be careful not to overlime and get your ph too high. Be sure to read how to make a soilless mix in my signature below. A bark mix without added nutrients might work well for you if your going to transplant. Shake the old soil off the rootball. Be careful not to damage too many roots. Add npk and micros in your water after transplanting to one of my dolomite lime and gypsum mixes. Does the 5-3-3 contain all the micros: iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, and molybdenum? Use that then.

 

[Guest]

A heavy peat base mix will lock up the nitrogen, should be around 40% max.
to solve that problem and maybe its too late but you can try,
Master thinks on next batch he thinks that this batch is already done right very close to pull ???
good luck,
peace ,
Master Thai ;-)

You hit the nail on the head brother. I tried flushing the Lifesaver that's in the 3 gal pot, it took forever to get even 2 gals. through it, not good. That peat/perlite ratio was way too light on the perlite and the roots were not getting enough O2. The LS is almost done so it's going to either finish the seeds or die trying lol......

I transplanted the Arjan's x NL5 haze into some nice airy coco/perlite w/o amendments at about a 30:70 perlite to coco ratio. She has at least 40 days to go so I hope this does the trick. That was fun, I had to get the wife to help. Tore a few roots but it should be better off than it was. I don't think she would have finished in that heavy mix anyway so it didn't really hurt to try the transplant.

Sproutco,
I get what you're saying about the ph, but like I said I had problems with ph that low in the past and I've never had ph related problems where I am now. I might not have a horticulture degree, but when it comes to growing I'm far from a newbie and I do know how to make a freakin soilless mix I just couldn't get enough perlite at the time to make my usual mix. I figured 20% works w/ coco lets try it with peat, I was wrong.

I know you try to help alot here and it's appreciated some of the time, but sometimes you come off like the be all end all of cannabis, which you haven't grown since the 80's (at least that's what you said). Everything you're saying has been said and repeated about a hundred thousand times all over the canna boards. Please stop. Sometimes you can't go by the textbooks, you have to actually do it and use your observations to find what works best.

Thanks for trying to help,
CH

 

[sproutco]

I took the time to drag your stupid plant picture into paint, point out what I saw wrong, and repost it for you. You should appreciate any time people give you to help your ugly plant look better.

 

[Guest]

Why did you edit your post there cool guy?

You know sproutco I just read your "soilless pine bark" thread got any sproutco ass kissers to try that one yet?????. When I first started reading your posts your answer to F'N everything was "make sure you add enough dolimite lime in your mix" or "you need to add some dolimite lime to that". All you have is a degree (in cut and paste) I'll bet you've never even grown weed before and you probably don't even smoke. You just get off on the kids praising your cut and paste jobs so you keep at it.

Peace CH

 

[sproutco]

 

[Guest]

That's about as close to growing "weed" as you've ever been, or ever will be.



later,
CH

 

[Guest]

I took the time to drag your stupid plant picture into paint, point out what I saw wrong, and repost it for you. You should appreciate any time people give you to help your ugly plant look better.

Next time do me a favor and don't bother, I've already heard your advice and it's all the same. If you've read one sproutco diagnosis you read them all.

I know the plant is ugly and half dead, are you trying to hurt my feelings? I don't have an ego attached to the size or quality of my plants or the amount of shitty advice I can give out.

My growing skills are tight and I don't need to prove it to everyone who'll listen, this one stumped me I screwed this one up I can admit it. Your problem is you can't admit it when you're wrong and you are a lot.

I said it was appreciated sometimes....but when you don't listen to wtf people are telling you about their plants AND their experiences with those same plants and/or soil mixes in the past AND keep pouring on the same textbook advice it gets old fast.....

Cute little smiles, I must be the one kicking you in the ass right?

 

[dre86]

I took the time to drag your stupid plant picture into paint, point out what I saw wrong, and repost it for you. You should appreciate any time people give you to help your ugly plant look better.

good luck to your crop nonetheless

 

[vonforne]

CH, if it means anything. I grew some NL x Haze before and that shit could not handle ANY ferts. I burned the shit out of it and I was only using a diluted mixture of ferts. Some strains cannot take what another one can. I have some AK-48's in with my grapefruits and they cannot take the ferts I give the GF. So, I have to mix seperate batches each time. It's a royal pain in the ass too.

As far as "pine bark" goes it is some of the best composting material around or wood fiber in general. Just check the C/N ratio in any composting post. 3BM has a good one in Organic Soil. And his advice is creditable. I have seen his work and tried some of his tips. as I have of Sproutco's.


I hope everything turns out good for you. Good Luck

Von

 

[Guest]

I've been using the 3LB's logic since they first started posting it up at CW very good stuff.

I transplanted the haze into an unferted coco based mix last night she seems to have dealt with the transplant well too. No new damage on her that I can tell so maybe she'll come home for me.

Sproutco just really got to me with his trolling/ deleting shit

Pine bark might be great for composting, but are you going to got str8 to your pots with it? Not I.

 

[vonforne]

How are things today CH? Have you figured out what the problem is? I honestly think it is a hot mix but thats just my opinion. Hope everything works out for you.

Von