She is not happy

[bilgeweed]

A little info on the grow for the Doctor.

1. Are you growing from seed or clones? seeds of unknown strain

2. How old are your plants? 50 days

3. How tall are your plants? ? LSTed (12")

4. What size containers are they planted in? 8oz to 1 gal to 2.5 gal

5. What is your soil mix? Whitney farms/perlite to Vic's receipt/perilite

6. How often do you water and what type of water do you use?
RO water of 6.5 PH- try to water when lite

7. What is the pH of your water? 6.3- 6.5

8. What kind of fertilizer do you use and what is its NPK ratio?
Very wee amounts of Super Thrive when transplanted. Small
doses (1/4 strength) of FF Big Grow/Big Bloom in warmed water

9. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights") 150W HPS and two
25w CFL for side lighting

10. How close are your lights to the plants? 8"-10" or so

11. What size is your grow space in square feet? 1.75 sq ft

12. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?
72-75 with RH of about 40

13. What is the pH of the soil? rapiteat meter says 7-
rapitest soil test kit- 6.5

14. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space? None

15. How much experience do you have growing? couple years

Seeds and seedling were a pretty happy crew. Two weeks after
trasplanting to the 2.5 gal pot and Vic's soil receipt the growth was
OK. Recently the plant doesn't look well. Droppy leaves with a
couple brown edges. Overall color is good. Some curling ect but not
bad. New growth appears but all leaves remain small. Today I
thought it may be root bound (although I have grown to flower in
these pots b4)
See pic of root ball- The roots in the perilite are a little brown but
do not smell bad. I'm not sure if the color is just leached from the soil
or a start of rot. The side of ball do not look bound up- see pic.

So- what do you think I have here ? soil lock-up ? root bound ?
Unfortunetly, I can not go with a larger pot- just maxed out- Ideas ?

THX
Bilgeweed

 

[Guest]

well i'm not sure what the problem is but it looks like it's running out of space in the pot......I know the edges are turning white.......almost looks like the light is bleaching it......Any one else got a clue? Lets help this man out

 

[sunnyside]

13. What is the pH of the soil? rapiteat meter says 7-
rapitest soil test kit- 6.5

im not sure about your problem, although it looks like you could use some more root space...but I wanted to chime in and tell you that those rapitest metal probe thingy's are not accurate at all. If you've got some lime sitting around, stick the probe in it...it will always read 7 lol. The test kit is a more accurate reading..

 

[Guest]

I DIDNT READ THIS, IM IN A RUSH, BUT SAW THAT PIC OF THE 'ROOTBALL' AND..........

I DIDNT READ THIS, IM IN A RUSH, BUT SAW THAT PIC OF THE 'ROOTBALL' AND..........

THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU HAVE THE POTS SITTING ON NEWSPAPERS
GET THOSE POTS OFF THE FLOOR SOMEHOW, CHICKENWIRE, WINDOW SCREEN, CORK, OR A GRATED DRIP-PAN OF SOME SORT TO CATCH RUNOFF, THEN DISPOSE OF RUNOFF WATER IMMEDIATELY, NEVER LEAVE STANDING WATER IN YOUR RUNOFF TRAY

IN OTHER WORDS, THE WATER IS WICKING INTOT HE NEWPAPER AND WHEN YOUR SOIL STARTS TO DRY UP, YOUR ROOTS START RACING FOR THE MOISTURE IN THE NEWSPAPER....RECKON THE ROOTS ARE RIPPING RIGHT THRU THAT NEWSPAPER AND BINDING COMPLETELY , JUST ADDING TO THE CLUSTERFUCK......NOT TO MENTION THE ANEROBIC ENVIRONMENT CAUSED BY ALL THAT MOISTURE BELOW THE POT/STANDING WATER

OTHER MATERIALS TO AVOID RESTING POTS UPON,

CARDBOARD

PAPER TOWELS

CARPET

just realized post was typed in caps, i do apologize, but as stated earlier, im in a rush....see ya and get those pots up off the newspaper, it only works with perlite in the bottom of the cans to catch runoff, and even then, i do not advise you do so. (i only added this here at the end because i have seen it mor than once in cannabis 'growbooks' but if you ask any serious or commercial/market gardener,theyll tel you that paper, of ANY sort, below your cans, is NOT advised.

have a good one and stay safe

 

[Guest]

by the way,

your can size is JUST FINE.

its way large enough, and i just read everything and still, the same conclusion,
its the newspapers. ive seen it a dozen times on the gardening site i mod at, i am 100% sure this is your problem:smile:

gettem into a larger container if you can, i know its a big rootballCORRECTION-rootMAT already but if u knock away any of that loose dirt and bust up the bottom of that ball there, you may be able to fit it back into that pot...cut away any slimy roots with a razor blade and feed a weak kelp/b1 nute or some liquid karma or a shot of superthrive and water in as u would any transplant..

keep feeding light until you get back to complete health underneath the soil (it will show in the plants overall vigour and health in no time)..
reason the problem wasnt apparent as youngsters was because the roots were not large enough for it to make a difference...

case closed.:smile:

be well.

cj

 

[bilgeweed]

Thanks for the reply guys-

Captain- You will be happy to know my grow is in the bilge of my boat ;-)
Truely bilgeweed.- I degress- anyway- the newspaper was just spead
out on the table to keep the mess contained as I pulled the rot ball form the 2gal pot. No papers in the grow room. Pots are never sitting in the run off------- No roots had poked thru the drain holes yet.

Do you think the brown is stained from soil run off ? None appear to
be slimmy. Should I trim them to repot or just break up the ball
the best I can ? Or maybe a a quick spry with water/H2o2 solution?

Regards
bilgeweeed

 

[Guest]

LOL!!! THATS PERLITE!NOT ROOTS!! HAHAHAHA SO SORRY....

LOL!!! THATS PERLITE!NOT ROOTS!! HAHAHAHA SO SORRY....

ouch.

i didnt bother enlarging any pics and i was rushing, i guess haste makes waste, i am sorry for that.

i now see that the rootmat, or what i THOUGHT was a white rootmat at the bottom of the pot, is in reality a perlite layer

what a jerk i am..ok, well, i do see what looks like a colonization of some sort of fungus in the root zone, that, OR ITS THE CAM/LIGHT, cant tell , if you say it smells fine and earthy as a normal soil should, and not sweet, sour, or musty, we know its not bad bacteria

other than that, im with everyone else. its tough to say what the problem may be.

your pH looks low....which does provide ideal conditions for the fungi to take hold..and can lockout nutrients as shown..

try using the "Guide to sick plants, pH, and pest problems" in the top of this forum.

the thread starter, 'mynamestitch' has complied a great resource, with pictures, that may be able to help you.

hint: it looks like more than ONE single ailment.

good luck,
and be well

im not sure about your problem, although it looks like you could use some more root space...but I wanted to chime in and tell you that those rapitest metal probe thingy's are not accurate at all. If you've got some lime sitting around, stick the probe in it...it will always read 7 lol. The test kit is a more accurate reading..

you mean to tell me you've actually gotten a single reading out of one of rapidtests plastic toys? i could never even get 1 reading u genius you - LOL!!!

 

[bilgeweed]

"it looks like more than ONE single ailment." yes it certainly does- I was
reading all the sickly guides prior to posting.

The roots have no ordor other than soil. They are slighty yellow/brown against
the white perilite as you can see. They may be just stained.

I'll take another PH and raise if needed. How much lime in a 1 gal water
solution should I start with ? Or would a couple of waterings with my tap water of 7.3 be helpfull

My grow box is only about 28" high and 16" dia. I have a computer
fan blowing IN - a few inches below the 150HPS - the air path is directly across the plants tops. Ambient air is 62-66F and 60%RH - Could this be a transpiration issue ? Never had one in prior grows

It just doesn't look happy- good color but semi droppy - even the new growth.

I have to replant it know anyway so I guess all I can do is knock off some dirt
and replace it with fresh soil/perilite.

how can a weed be so difficult to grow ?


appreciate your time
bilgeweed.