SFV OGK is a pain in my arse!!!! Help!!

[Onepunchko]

Hello plant doctors,
I am having two issues at the moment and I know if anyone can help its you!



What system are you running? Top feed coco in 2x8 Tables?
What STRAIN are you growing? Bubba kush, lavender, master kush, OGkush and a gods gift and 1 GDP.
What was the establishing technique? clones
What is the age of your plants? they were vegged for 4 weeks and are now 11 days into flowering.
How tall are the plants? about 2 feet all topped bushes
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? flower
What Technique are you using? recirculating drip
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.) coco
What is the Water temperature? perfect
What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy? white and fuzzy
What Nutrient's are you using? houe and garden aqua flakes,cal mag, supathrive, flora nectar, protekt and Bcuzz bloom stimulator.
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using? about 900-1000ppm
What is the pH of the "Tank"? 5.8
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment? yup
When was your last watering? about 15 minutes ago
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional) 5 days
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients? change nutes very week and flush every two
What size bulb are you using? 4 600w hps
What is the distance to the canopy? around 36 inches
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)? 45%
What is the canopy temperature? 75 degrees F
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range) about 10-15 degrees
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 1 6 inch fan that is hooked to a C.A.P. controller along with an AC
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? yes
Is your water HARD or SOFT? it has been hard until last night when I installed a RO system
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well it has been tap lately water?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched. yup
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When? P bomb about a week ago
Are plant's infected with pest's. No thankfully
Ok, so the first problem I have is some yellowing on some of the tops only on the fan leaves. I think its from hot spots, but I just wanted to make sure. I guess it could be N burn, but I dont think so. What do ya hink?




I moved the lights up about 6 inches so hopefully it wont get worse. My next issue is with the SFV OG kush. I love it but its being a little biaatch.

Ive been
running the bubba for the last 7 years and its a very easy plant to grow IMO, but the OG I have is so damn finiky. I knew that it is a major stretcher, but besides that it just doesnt seem healthy looking. Last run was the first time I messed with it and the quality was great, but it got mites and some freeky looking yellow markings on it, and the yield was pretty gay. I am getting mostly 3 tipped leafs and the stems are super skinny and fragile. They feel really soft and flimsy and the other day I barely bent two tops to put it through the net and I broke both tops right off like it wasnt even attached. Any of you guys that run this little whore have any advice for me. What does the OG like/dislike? lots of nutes?? little nutes??? long walks on the beach? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanx
OPK

here is some OG from the last harvest





and the current ogk growing

 

[MynameStitch]

Few problems here, are all the plants both different sizes getting the same amounts of nutes? You are also running multiple strains which is a bad idea since all require different amount of nutes........

The 3rd pic you posted shows light burn yes, the other 2 show different problems, first off; get rid of the superthrive alsol 4 weeks old and 1,000 ppms?

Crazy, how big are these plants? How tall?
ppms are too high, I see soe micronutrient lockout here......

zinc possibly in the 2nd picture on the tops of the plant....... see magnesium on the 2nd pic in the lower corner.....

so in order to fix this, you need to get rid of superthrive all together it's not good idea to use it but once or 2 times the entire plants life....... it's strong and builds up quickly.

The other thing, the amount of nutes must come down, your problems start before or after using tap water?
How long has this problem been going on? WHat is perfect water temps?

WHat is houe and garden aqua flakes?
Also what is the dosages of each nutrient you are using with how much water?

 

[Capt. Crip]

Raise your PH to 6.4 for a couple of days and watch how dark they get..Also using Tiger Bloom for flowering is as good as it gets for the OGK's and Bubbas...Dark dark green...

 

[MynameStitch]

I honestly don't think pH is causing this issue; if so there would be worse problems and it would be showing some other kind of issue that normal pH problems is causing, I am sure if he lowers his nute uptake his pH will rise a bit anyways.......

 

[Onepunchko]

The nutes are house and garden and there coco stuff is called aqua flakes and I had no idea that I was only supposed to use the superthrive once. The guy who owns the local hydro shop said its the same company as canna and he seems to really like it so Im trying it out. He is also the one who gave me the feeding schedule Ive been using which says to use the Superthrive almost the whole time (which I see now is obviously a way to sell more!) The plants vegged for 4 weeks and have been flowering for 11 days, so they are coming up on 6 weeks since they hit the coco from the ez cloner. The tap water at my spot is horrible. When I first started at this spot it was at 600ppms so there was no way I would even consider using back then, but about a month ago I needed water and just decided to check out what the PPM's were at now and they were still at 300-320 which is why my ppms were at at around 1000 because I was using close to the same feeding schdule. I finally got my RO hooked up so that should be better for sure. Im doing a perpetual grow so when I fill the other side of the room at around the halfway point of the plants flowering now Ill stick to one strain per side or at least strains that are very similar in height and characteristics.As far as PH goes I always kept it at 6.1-6.3 in the past but I read on here alot where people say 5.8 for coco/hydro. Is that wrong? The plants are only about 2 1/2 feet tall but they each have about 6-8 heads on them which the only way I have ever been able to get my bubba and masterK to yield. The problem started when I started at this new spot and I got the OG cut. The other strains look great and are taking offlke normal aside from the sun burn, but I guess thats why doing multiple is bad like you said.


Here is the feeding schedule:
5 ml of A
5 ml of B
1ml of root excelerator
2ml of flora nectar
5 ml of calmag
5ml of protekt (this is a first time for this stuff too.
2ml of bloom stimulator

and they have even more shit listed on here but I am not using it. Anyhow, thanks for the help guys I really appreciate it. one more thing, at 2 weeks into bloom with plants that vegged for 4 weeks what would you suggest feeding the OGK? The bubba has always been a nute hog and thats really the only thing that I have grown consistantly until now. I take it it quires alot less?

 

[Onepunchko]

Also, do you guys have success topping the OGK? Ive topped mine and the branches that shot out were stretched out as expected, but they seem very thin and were very fragile. What would cause that?

 

[MynameStitch]

lol, I am going to refeer you to my thread I made about hydro guys f****** up so badly

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=84393

Superthrive should not be used unless stress and transplant imo; you can use it but use it once every 2 weeks tops and normally 1 or 2 drops of it per gallon of water

Cannabis uses only so much and does not take it in so it sits in there causing problems with nutrients being absorbed correctly.

Did you wash out your coco really good before using it? I would tell everyone to wash it out before using it, even if it states it on the package; always better to be safe than sorry.

If you have problems with the plants and it's pH related since for you, I would try lowering it; that is why there is a range, some strains are picky and some are not.

Range can be 5.5 to 6.3 alot of people grow with the 6.3 range without a touch of a problem, some have a lot of problems and must lower it......

Lower the amount of protect to about 2 ml per gallon
the 1 and B can stay the same as for the amendments
root accelerator, remove it all together. calmag I would lower it a bit to around 3-4 ml per gallon. protect is potassium with silicon; lower that to about 2 ml per gallon.

what bloom simulator?
I would not use it, the rest of the stuff you have is near complete; you have a lot of stuff doubling up here.... so some things have got to go.......

 

[Onepunchko]

Thats not SFV, that looks and sounds like abusive. I have both and SFV is far superior.

Well, thats just what I was told. I was given two OG cuts and was told one was the SVF. One was quite a bit better then the other so I assumed that the better one was the SFV.

 

[Onepunchko]

Stitch, they look much better now then they did. The bloom stim is from Bcuzz, its a PK 13/14 (sorry, I forgot to write that). The coco I use gets comes in bricks and I rinse it, but maybe not good enough? The ph is up to about 6.1 now. Are you saying to bring it back down lower then where it was B4? Ive ditched the B1 and lowered the protekt already and also lowered pretty much everything else a little bit. The ppms are at about 650 after I flushed and mixed up a new batch. Now the root excel, should I cut it out now since its 2 weeks into flower or just not use it at all, even in veg? Thanks again for the help.

 

[Onepunchko]

Ok, so now the initial problem has gone away thanks to your advice stitch, but now Im seeing the little area that was burned by the light on the bubba is getting worse and it appears to be spreading. I would post a pic but it says uploading is disabled. I moved the lights up and the ppms are around 700-800. They are 22 days into 12/12 after about 30 days of veg. my ph is at 5.9 and temps are getting a little hot, around 80-85 in the day and 65degrees at night. Since the tempts are getting harder to mantain, the co2 levels have been hovering around 900-1000ppm instead of 1250ppm like before. Im thinking it could be that the plants used up all there N and that is why they are turning yellow and eventually burning and curling upward a little, but at the same time It cold be nute burn I guess. That would just be weird because I have always fed the shit out of bubba and had great results. In the past I would already of been at 1000ppm's easily, but after reading alot of stitch's posts, I started feeding less because what she says makes sence. What should I do???????????????

 

[Onepunchko]

And no, I will never be putting more then 1 strain in a table at once ever again.

 

[Guest]

you ahve the sfv there onepunch.. but you need more calmag.. og is a mag whore i mean big time... you shoudl see how much mg they eat.. you need more calcium and amg for them...

 

[Outlaw Grower]

you ahve the sfv there onepunch.. but you need more calmag.. og is a mag whore i mean big time... you shoudl see how much mg they eat.. you need more calcium and amg for them...

wonder if thats my prob, got everything else running good everything but the sfv og and triple og love the environment and food but og always looks sad, i usually keep them around ph 5.9 and feed the advanced 3part base with mother earth teas, big bud, carboload, b52 and overdrive. maybe i should look into the sensi cal/mg?

 

[Onepunchko]

Thanx MrX! Do you find that your bubba is too?

 

[Uncle Remus]

My advice...Listen to Stitch, knows his/hers shit...If he/she tells you to do something you better do it

STITCH STRIKES AGAIN

 

[Onepunchko]

I definately agree uncle Remus. HEr first advice already worked for me, but my dumb ass went qand screwed something else up.

 

[MynameStitch]

Hey onepunch, can you show me some recent pics?

btw, thanks for the props peeps, you guys make me blush

 

[Onepunchko]

Well, Im officially retarded. I left my spot for 2 days and come back to find my rez pump had become disconnected to the main tube and they girls had not been getting fed for what looks like two days. Some fan leaves in the garden have turned brown and burnt looking on the outter edges. They are still alive and the buds look great, but I know things like this affect yield in the end. I would still like to know what the problem was before they dried out for future reference. Here is a pic of what they looked like a few days ago. Now about 60% of the garden looks burnt like this This sucks.



Another question I have is, will these leaves get worse and fall off even if I correct the problem? Or will they turn green again and will the burnt prt just stay the way it is?

 

[MynameStitch]

oooooooo, that was not good

try not to be so hard on ya. you got some pics of her?

As long as most of her fan leaves are not nearly falling off we can try to save her, is there some greenage left in her?

If so I can give ya some stuff to beef her back up in no time flat!

Get something that has vitamin b1 or amino acids...
Some root stimulator normal feedings and she will be good in no time again.

Just don't give her a high dosage of the vitamin b 1 and amino acids and root stim for the first time though.

 

[Onepunchko]

Yeah there is plenty of greenage left, it just burnt the outter fan leaves. They dont look like they are going to fall off (for now) just not so pretty anymore.

So some superthrive and root stim ya say? Does 1ml per gallon of each sound ok? The ppms in the tank are at 800 atm. Does that sound ok for the 5th week of flower?

Thanx again for all the help.