setup questions

[growaddict]

i wanna go the auto way for my first round with
a homebox xs (60cmx60cmx120cm)
a 250w hps
carbon filter+fan

what do u think a scrog would work well for more yield or would the party cup method (as many plants as i can fit in there) gimme the best yield?

 

[skotty]

switch from soil to hydro if you want better yields

but you would only fit 1 plant in that sized tent if you grow this way

party cups will stunt growth so i wouldnt recommened that

autos and scrogs could be difficult especially as autos grown in soil stay quite small indoors and you get varying sizes

hope this helps

 

[CraftyApe]

i wanna go the auto way for my first round with
a homebox xs (60cmx60cmx120cm)
a 250w hps
carbon filter+fan

what do u think a scrog would work well for more yield or would the party cup method (as many plants as i can fit in there) gimme the best yield?

Growaddict

What Skotty has to say about the hydro is accurate. I am doing my first hydro grow of a strain that is normally a runt but mine are going bonkers so you better get your feet wet a little before getting your plants wet so to speak.

Party cups are a problem because the autos seem to be more effected by having a deep pot more than to have a large amount of pot volume as such. So what you can do that is quick and easy is to use two or three liter bottles. I generally get 18-30 inch tall plants that way depending on the various factors (strain, lights and so forth).
Now what you can do to get a good bit of root depth without spending much money is to chop a couple bottles up and graft them together with gaffer tape. And then my own little adaptation is to make sure the hole in the top is wide enough to put a "Big Gulp" cup or some other one with the necked down bottom into the 2 or 3 liter bottle. For a bit of a raised planting effect. Got the idea by looking at Mdanzig's grows. He dose the same thing with the cup but into a normal pot and he gets great results obviously.
It works pretty well for me and the materials can be had for free basically.

Easy to take several improvised tree-pots like I described and either bungee or tape them together into a unit. Though looking back at your dimensions, you might be better served to just use a plain two liter bottle. What I was describing would end up being too tall and get your plants burned.

Just my two cents for a good and effective way to get started.

Good luck

 

[Muddy]

I don't think autos will perform to their optimum using SoG or Scrog methods. I agree that deeper pots are best. Autos have a long tap root and do best when they've got room to grow. Also, autos being so new aren't full stabilized yet. It's not uncommon to get 2 or 3 different phenos from a given batch of seeds. Some smaller with fat buds and some taller with looser buds.

I'm having good success this year using 2 gallon grow bags. They are cheap, about $5 for 20 of them, and can be reused. A good rule of thumb is 1 square foot per plant.

 

[FullDuplex]

switch from soil to hydro if you want better yields

but you would only fit 1 plant in that sized tent if you grow this way

party cups will stunt growth so i wouldnt recommened that

autos and scrogs could be difficult especially as autos grown in soil stay quite small indoors and you get varying sizes

hope this helps

These types of posts are not helpful at all. I understand that you have had wonderful results out of hydro and i have seen them. You do a great job but this is his first grow and hes asking about the options that he has at hand already.

 

[FullDuplex]

i wanna go the auto way for my first round with
a homebox xs (60cmx60cmx120cm)
a 250w hps
carbon filter+fan

what do u think a scrog would work well for more yield or would the party cup method (as many plants as i can fit in there) gimme the best yield?

From what i can see that you have the best idea for you would be some 6 in pots or something similiar. the cups would work but there has to be some mods to them to trim the roots or provide a source of root trimming.

I had success out of a 6 in pot, but thats me, the above mentioned about root depth is important. This is one of the things that will determine the success of your plant. You can try to LST the little guys but there life isnt really long enough to pull off a full scrog.

There are so many things that can determine the yield of the plant. from the pot size to the genetics. Its all a gamble, good luck on this first run.

 

[skotty]

These types of posts are not helpful at all. I understand that you have had wonderful results out of hydro and i have seen them. You do a great job but this is his first grow and hes asking about the options that he has at hand already.

i started off growing in hydro never even touched soil

i laready advised him on the methods he had suggested and i think my info was well informed

1 it wouldnt be wise to scrog autos due to differing sizes in the plants

2 the guy wants the best yield possible so growing in dixie cups is a no go as this will not maximise the plants potenial

3 then suggest to look at alternate growing methods hydro , hempy , krusty , maximum yield and a piece of piss to maintain

whats ya problem????

 

[FullDuplex]

i started off growing in hydro never even touched soil

i laready advised him on the methods he had suggested and i think my info was well informed

1 it wouldnt be wise to scrog autos due to differing sizes in the plants

2 the guy wants the best yield possible so growing in dixie cups is a no go as this will not maximise the plants potenial

3 then suggest to look at alternate growing methods hydro , hempy , krusty , maximum yield and a piece of piss to maintain

whats ya problem????

No problem at all dont want to come off that way. Just remember when i was a noob at this i had all kinds of issues with people telling me soil wasn't the way to go and that i wouldnt yield anything. Just a soft spot i guess about being told how to grow with out good foundation other than it works for me.

Dixie cups are not good for optimum grow however if its all he has then there are no other options. I know what its like to start with nothing. Sure the setup you have is cheep to build, but hes got more to think about with hydro, EC, pH, PPM, nutes, correct setup, and the list can go on and on. To get his feet wet he wants to go soil. Less to "think" about here on a first run. he can get some good organic and so OTC nutes that have the correct NPK to get him through the first grow.

I never want to come off harsh, or abrasive thats not my nature i just always like to put my self in there shoes and remember what it was like for me starting and looking for answers.

 

[skotty]

the more ideas we throw around in this thread the more options he is gonna be able to choose from

just seems a waste running 250 watt hps on dixie cups and the scrog idea is a no go as many autos just produce 1 main cola with little side branching

bigger pots and soil for the win then

peace

 

[hisser]

I would fill the place with 2 gallons square pots, you might be able to squeeze in about 9 (my 2 gallons square pots are 19.5cmx19.5cm)


SCROG or LST will surely give you more yield for free.

 

[CraftyApe]

I am telling you man.... don't make it complicated.


It is a medium small space but more importantly it is a fairly short space. You are going to have to make sure you don't burn your plants more than anything. Thats not a big light but it is a decent amount of light for that space.
Just use a few two liter bottles that don't cost you a dime. They are trash you are not bothering to recycle anyway.
The issue is to have a long tap root with these girls. You are doing your first grow. Keep it simple and get a bit of fun result from the money, time and most importantly the risk you have invested.

Don't listen to any of us (like I am one of them) experts, just find what is at hand and make it work. You will be proud and disappointed all at once no matter how it turns out. But either way, jump in with both feet. Its fun...The water is fine...come on in.


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