Seriously SILY - A Branch Blooming Diary

[ScrogMonster]

Middle of the Lemon Meringue after the chop.

Here is unboxed and bathed in better light distribution... from this point here I’m thinking two weeks tops till it flower it. Almost a week of that has gone by already.

 

[ScrogMonster]

Here it is 3 days ago, 11 days after being unboxed... whoa time flys that “two weeks” is almost up and I haven’t grafted more strains on yet or trained the canopy much at all... I might let it go a little longer maybe.

It looks a bit unhappy... I feel like it wants a bigger pot now... but it’s got a bunch of roots in the SIP tray under it... not sure what do for it... attempt some kind of root prune/transplant or just use more liquid nutrients and leave it as is... not sure.

 

[Boyd Crowder]

just scanned thru -

this is:

THREAD OF THE YEAR ICMAG CHAMP 2020

ive never seen a post as inovative on ic , ever

 

[SuperBadGrower]

just scanned thru -

this is:

THREAD OF THE YEAR ICMAG CHAMP 2020

+1
nice update, Scrogmonster!

 

[Boyd Crowder]

hey scrog - i noticed you were growing with mites on everything from the first pics on...
are you developing a game plan for those things?
only way ive managed them is with killdeath treatments and top to bottom scrubdowns including gear with the strong stuff - would you say your fabrics in your environment need attention and or swapouts?

i know how those things are and how much they hold back a grtow

you are going to get them under control and see massive gains in quality and yields

i can only imagine what some samung strrips would do for you as well

 

[Drop That Sound]

Awesome, good job pulling off the experiment my man. Fun thread, like watching a canna-myth buster's show!


Some idea's after reading your thread the first time:



Outdoor/greenhouse: maybe you could use light deprivation on half the plants branches (sectioned off through a wall or mini tunnel of their own), starting a little bit early, to get your first crop moving along. Then let the other half naturally start to flower, and get your second crop later in the season, from the same plants of course. Think it would work?



The middle veg partition: It's cool that you let it just do its own thing, to see exactly what happens in there. I would have jumped the gun and started messing with it, without first waiting for true results.


Maybe air layering the majority of the still vegging plant section, or just one of the larger branches a few weeks or more before harvest, and even grafting onto the air layered section at the same time that its rooting. the plant to survive.

Get a new grafted up air layered host plant ready to replace it, while you get a second round flowering out of whats left, just like you have setup now. Or.. there's so many ways to go with it.

The thing with air layering is, you can take as big of a branch as you want, or as many smaller ones as you can, but don't want to take more than 40-50% of the total plant if you want it to survive.

Well.. You could technically take the entire middle section at once because the rest of the plant is still alive. I'm pretty stoned so it's kind of boggling my mind right now.



I dunno, you kind of opened up a whole little world of new possibilities by taking the time to document it. At least out side of some research facility locked away lol. I've heard people ask, and even wondered myself over the years if its possible to bloom out a branch. Well, here we have it. Got my head spinning.

Thanks

 

[catman]

Seriously awesome! Great pics and thanks for sharing all of this. Can't wait to see what you think of next!

 

[ScrogMonster]

Thanks everyone for watching and all the kinds words!!

It’s nice to have an answer to that question. I’m sure there are some awesome and practical applications for employing the technique. Most of all for any one like myself who lives in a legalized state and wishes to grow 100% legally and has to stick a low plant count to do it.

One way to use this that I think would be really cool is to have a ceiling above some LED’s with those black neoprene clone machine collars fit into some holes drilled in the ceiling and when a branch is long enough for a cutting size to stick up past the ceiling it’s put through a collar into the 12/12 room above it. The room above would look like a SOG. Whether it’s staggered or flowered all at once. You can always be training the next round below and all from the same plant. Couple that with coming with an easy way for root pruning or maybe a giant organic no till bed...

Boyd - Thank you friend, that is a huge compliment.

About the mites... if I can just spray LCPT regularly I won’t have to worry about them. They only become a problem if I don’t spray for weeks on end (DOH!)

I’d rather just keep attempting to gain more discipline with LCPT spraying then try to nuke and scrub or hit the reset button just to have them come back again eventually.
About the Samsung strips, maybe one day. When I have extra money to throw around. I’m going to air cool my SIL fixtures very soon and that will be a nice improvement. I’m happy with the way they perform but if money weren’t an issue I’d love some strips or panels or something. One day.

Drop That Sound - buhahaha you sound like me! What if this! and that! And whoaaa! Lol.

I think the greenhouse half plant light dep thing would definitely work.

I swear there are damn near infinite possibilities when it comes to growing our favorite plant. I’m sure there are definitely very practical applications of light depping branches for breeding purposes. I swear that’s where the idea crawled into my head from in the first place. I have a hazy memory of reeding a book at Barnes and Noble or something like that (15 years ago?), about growing weed, and that a black trash bag was used to light dep a single branch of a plant for what I can’t remember... that’s what made me try this whole experiment. Early in a season a branch or several could be light flowered to weak 3-4 then pollinated for seeds before there’s any flowers on the rest of the plant to worry about also pollinating.

Catman - Thanks again for requesting updates lol! You got me stop being post lazy. I tell you what uploading so many pictures to icmag can be a real PITA especially when I’m trying to do it from my phone. Even on the laptop though 5 pictures at a time really take a minute to upload. When I do it from the phone half the time it will like time out and mess up and I have re-do it.

I am going to flower out that middle section soon and after harvesting it then this thread will come to a close. My other tent I have started the new thread Bohemian Graftcity for, where I’ll be just flowering 1 plant per tent with multiple strains on each plant. I’ll have two flowering and my MOMF (mom of many flavors) with an air layering getting ready to be the next veg plant and 1 veg plant that will veg for 30 days after being cut off the MOMF the goal is get a good rotation dialed in so that I’m harvesting one tent, around 1lb from 612w of SIL’s every 30 days.

I’ll post another update here soon after I finally finish training what’s left of the Lemon Meringue plant.

Thanks all, love you icmag

 

[Drop That Sound]

Haha right on. I'll probably try it out someday soon. Light dep is the only way i'll grow outdoors again.

I think the first time I heard about blooming just a branch, was from growers back in the 90's when I was still a kid trying to grow closet weed in a box.

Except this was a different method in the same way, kind of the opposite of what your doing, and a much smaller scale.

Simply wrap up a branch or internode with aluminum foil for so many hours a day, to get it to flower or grow pollen sacks, and quickly determine the sex of a plant without taking a cutting or initiating the whole plant. And specifically only in the site that you cover.

I'm sure we've all tried or heard that right?




It's awesome how you still have a vegetative plant sitting there like that, and the new growth is looking good. Was wondering if you were gonna graft a few more and box her back up? Or just run it how it is.. still awesome.

Look forward to the updates
-drop

 

[SuperBadGrower]

I have started the new thread Bohemian Graftcity

Bahahah..awesome
any way the plant grows...

 

[catman]

A vertical separation chamber definitely sounds like it would ease the logistics. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the plants behaved differently. On the outside things are relatively simple, photoperiodism and light deprivation. On the inside of our plants is a fireworks show of hormones sending signals every where they can go and cross regulating each other so our plants can adapt to their environment. Perhaps the foliage on the veg chamber wasn't a consequence of mites or a slight slip up, but could have been something like abscission from a biological response, like a tree's foliage changing color and dropping in the fall. Just some food for thought. Also, if anyone isn't familiar with the "Maryland Mammoth," give it a quick google. I wonder how the Maryland Mammoth's root stock would serve tomatoes or peppers.



Suppose I'll get on my bicycle, bicycle, bicycle and head on over to the new thread, but will stay tuned here to see how she flowers and what happens to the foliage. Keep up the amazing work!

 

[bsgospel]

This thread is ridiculous. Great job with that Lemon Meringue! Learned something new here...

 

[ScrogMonster]

Thanks everyone! Thanks for making this worth doing for me :smile: having so many other people interested in the results and offering encouragement and kind words really made this thread an awesome experience for me.

Haha right on. I'll probably try it out someday soon. Light dep is the only way i'll grow outdoors again.

I think the first time I heard about blooming just a branch, was from growers back in the 90's when I was still a kid trying to grow closet weed in a box.

Except this was a different method in the same way, kind of the opposite of what your doing, and a much smaller scale.

Simply wrap up a branch or internode with aluminum foil for so many hours a day, to get it to flower or grow pollen sacks, and quickly determine the sex of a plant without taking a cutting or initiating the whole plant. And specifically only in the site that you cover.

I'm sure we've all tried or heard that right?




It's awesome how you still have a vegetative plant sitting there like that, and the new growth is looking good. Was wondering if you were gonna graft a few more and box her back up? Or just run it how it is.. still awesome.

Look forward to the updates
-drop

You know what, I thinks sexing is probably what the purpose of it was, the bag over the branch method in the literature from my hazy bookstore memory. Bet ya.

I want to throw some more GG grafts on her along with some Peyote Cookies and Sugar Black Rose but other then that I’m gonna get the canopy managed as much as I can and just flower her out. Not gonna box her again. I’m done with that for now. I might try to expand the soil above the SIP Tray some how.

Catman - You bring up a good point with your theory of some “abscission from biological response” I can’t say for sure that didn’t happen to the veg in the middle to some degree and was a factor in the middle being weak. I do know that russet mites and the whole plant being underfed at a certain point and poor light distribution in the veg cab were big factors in the decline of health noticed in that veg growth though. I guess more experimenting is needed with better conditions for the veg portion of a dual cycle plant to know for sure

SuperBadGrower - haha nice, anyway the plant grows... I think I’ll smoke some shatter.... and weeed... a-and weeed. Lol!

 

[ScrogMonster]

Still not manicured yet, about done burping the jars though.

SBR

Lemon Meringue

Peyote Cookies

 

[Fred Sanford]

Looks nice man, real nice!

 

[Mr Jay]

You know when you click on a thread in a sig and suddenly it's two hours later?

This was a way cool experiment SM!

 

[SuperBadGrower]

Amazing result my friend
So, who's still worried about light leaks?


I think this is a great piece of evidence that flowers will not necessarily "herm" if some part of the plant gets a little light. A small sample size, but who is going to repeat this unique grow? Bruce Bugbee has said that he is coming out with information about the plant's light sensitivity in the future.(At what light threshold does the plant go into its dark cycle). It will be easy to put 1+1 together

 

[techattack]

Just got here now, u grafted other strain into one Plant? I am digging all the thread pages, i am watching now ur attempt to veg and flowering at same time eheh

 

[techattack]

Just digged all thread. Thank you for the class. I came and learned about grafting, flower/vegging the same Plant, and also come clone method. To the troll that came by and said about ugly plants he probably didnt saw ur signature picture ahahahah. Keep it up mate, will subscribe this.

 

[KingCobra66]

another good result ScrogMonster the lemon Meringue is on point looks real lush yum yum