Seriously SILY - A Branch Blooming Diary

[catman]

It's been 2 weeks. Time for an update

 

[ScrogMonster]

Thanks Catman!! I... I've been lazy. I’m getting better now though. Good news is I have been taking photo’s of everything so here comes some.

We’ll start with too many pictures of the crop 3 days before the chop.

Peyote cookies

Sugar Black Rose with Peyote Cookies Scion

Peyote Cookies Scion - the buds are much bigger on the SBR rootstock then any bud from the original plant. Each individual calyx is oversized... swole looking.

 

[ScrogMonster]

Sugar Black Rose

Lemon Meringue

 

[ScrogMonster]

More Lemon Meringue

 

[ratchy]

fantastic work on all photos loving the sugar black rose

 

[ScrogMonster]

Shot of the whole plant including the neglected middle section which is still 100% in veg.

Harvest photos

Lemon Meringue

 

[shawkmon]

as above so below
nice

 

[ScrogMonster]

More Lemon Meringue

Sugar Black Rose

 

[ScrogMonster]

Sugar Black Rose

Peyote Cookies - The 5 buds lined up to the right are the biggest buds from the original Peyote Cookies plant. The two on the left are the PC Scion from the SBR rootstock. Even the smaller side branch is bigger then the biggest bud from the original.

Top of the Scion vs biggest bud on original plant.

 

[DiverDave]

You look like you hit your mark .. Great job and that experiment was so enjoyable to watch .. & all I learned from this been sweet .. looking forward to anything you got cooking.

Been a good ride so far

DD

 

[ScrogMonster]

This close up shows pretty well the larger size calyx of the Scion on the SBR rootstock

 

[DiverDave]

ok , so after following your grow and experiment in grafting as well as keep the actual mothers root in veg through out, while the outer arms were in flower till harvest and mother stayed in veg plus the flowers outside grew better & bigger then they would do with the original scions (cuttings to graft on mother) on its own root system.
Is merit for studies.

DD

I won't be doing that but love that you did and it came out and impressed me ..I will share that info to anyone that shows any interest to this task.

DD

 

[Terpene]

There is just so much good info in this thread its unbelievable.

I was under the impression grafts merely used the water / nutrients from the new rootstock - not that it would alter the size / shape of the flowers. The SBR rootstock definitely shows better overall everything compared to the original rootstock, which not has me wondering - do the effects change in a positive or negative way? (Smell / potency / etc.) Or are we simply looking at a stronger root system pumping out a larger product? Either way, that ish is a win.

Posted this in your new thread:
The box of veg surrounded by flowering on the outside threw me for a loop. I was under the impression that auxin travel (which is supposedly whole plant) would force the inside to flower or the outside to veg, or who knows what.

The fact the branches acted as their own little island says there's a whole other thing to consider with grafting: spent plants.

After you chop all the branches off a mature, flowered root stock, why not graft to that? Obviously the new branches (which would be in veg mode) should stick and grow.

Deets man, deets!

 

[q3corn]

Fantastic job!


Now the question: what happened on the inside of the veg cabinet??? Did you just leave it untrimmed and it grew over the lights, or was there some hormonal response that made the veg part of the plant stretch and stress?

 

[99problems]

Great job, looks like hot got a nice yield from those plants!

 

[ScrogMonster]

ok , so after following your grow and experiment in grafting as well as keep the actual mothers root in veg through out, while the outer arms were in flower till harvest and mother stayed in veg plus the flowers outside grew better & bigger then they would do with the original scions (cuttings to graft on mother) on its own root system.
Is merit for studies.

DD

I won't be doing that but love that you did and it came out and impressed me ..I will share that info to anyone that shows any interest to this task.

DD

Hey thanks man!! The dual cycle (veg/bloom) Lemon Meringue was the original experiment of this thread and was separate from the branch swap I did in the tent next to it with the Peyote Cookies onto the Sugar Black Rose, however the Lemon Meringue bloomed branches did turn out real stinkin primo, much better then my last cycle of it. The last cycle I did with it though it was comprised by russet mites. So it could just be that plus a little different organic nutrient profile, this time it got DTE Rose and flower tone - dry organic nutrient mix and more DTE bio thrive and much less GO Bloom.

 

[ScrogMonster]

Fantastic job!


Now the question: what happened on the inside of the veg cabinet??? Did you just leave it untrimmed and it grew over the lights, or was there some hormonal response that made the veg part of the plant stretch and stress?

The middle was over growing the box, had some what inadequate lighting, got attacked by russet mites, and was neglected a little. It’s doing pretty well right now though. I removed the box and have the middle section now vegging with the big vertical SIL fixtures. I have more pictures to post showing that. Will post soon.

 

[ScrogMonster]

There is just so much good info in this thread its unbelievable.

I was under the impression grafts merely used the water / nutrients from the new rootstock - not that it would alter the size / shape of the flowers. The SBR rootstock definitely shows better overall everything compared to the original rootstock, which not has me wondering - do the effects change in a positive or negative way? (Smell / potency / etc.) Or are we simply looking at a stronger root system pumping out a larger product? Either way, that ish is a win.

Posted this in your new thread:
The box of veg surrounded by flowering on the outside threw me for a loop. I was under the impression that auxin travel (which is supposedly whole plant) would force the inside to flower or the outside to veg, or who knows what.

The fact the branches acted as their own little island says there's a whole other thing to consider with grafting: spent plants.

After you chop all the branches off a mature, flowered root stock, why not graft to that? Obviously the new branches (which would be in veg mode) should stick and grow.

Deets man, deets!

Thanks Terp!

Grafting a bunch of new branches on the stem and root system of a plant while harvesting was a thought I had and posted about earlier in this thread when I started messing around with grafting. I’m sure there’s a way it can be done effectively along with root pruning where a stem and root system can be harvested from finished flowers and grafted up with new growth. I’m thinking timing would be crucial. I think taking every current growth off and swapping them with scions may or may not work, with a big system only having grafts trying to heal maybe there wouldn’t be enough fluid “draw” or exchange through the plant.


It might work better to to several of my “add a branch” grafts below the flowers where bare stem is during the last week of flowering that way they’d be mostly healed at the time of harvesting the buds above them and they’d have some draw or exchange with the “circulatory system” already and would’ve only been on 12/12 for a week, could be vegged still after harvest maybe. Maybe enough of branches added and they wouldn’t even need more veg, plant could be kept on 12/12 maybe.

It’d be fun to try this but I’ll leave that for some one else to do... hah at least for now. Maybe one day I’ll try it for the sake of experiment.

 

[ScrogMonster]

More harvest photos still

Peyote Cookies

Buds in jars pre trim

Peyote Cookies

Sugar Black Rose

Lemon Meringue

 

[ScrogMonster]

Bottom of the SBR pot

Bottom of the Peyote Cookies pot