sensi star that won't clone-any ideas?

[Pactivist]

OK fellow IC'ers I have a problem here. I have a three month old sensi star plant(sex unknown as yet) that absolutely refuses to clone. I have tried using Olivia's gel in rockwool under a dome, a small bubble cloner, then i warmed up my water and tried the bubble cloner again since that was the advice i got in chat, and still nothing. I am right now trying air layering for the first time.
I have three other sensi stars growing - but this one is the best looking and best smelling, and i would really like a clone of it. BTW i don't know if this is significant but this plant uses the least amount of water in my entire room. i can let this go twice as long between waterings, now before anybody accuses me of plant cruelty, the soil in this plants pot stays moist at least twice as long. I grow all of my plants in the same pro-mix/perlite mix, with the same nutes, under the same lights.
should i try a new rooting product? maybe add something to the bubble cloner water? i usually have about a 95%-100% stick rate with my clones, but this one plant has me stumped.
any advice or thoughts on cloning this stubborn sensi would be greatly appreciated.
peAce all
pacT

 

[one_eyed_jack]

sorry man i can't help ya i'm not much of a cloner myself but i'm really interested in how your air layering experiment is going.......... good luck ...

One eyed Jack Reckem

 

[BuzzBob]

Hey pacT! --

Just curious, at what temp did you run your bubble cloner? I am sure you're doin' it right, but I thought I'd ask anyway... I failed miserably at my first clone run, when I was not providing heat at all. Then, realizing the error of my ways, I researched and found a recomendation to keep the water at 80 Degrees F. I've since been doing very well!

I know you said you have cloned a bunch already, so your experience far outweighs mine, but I thougth I'd toss that out there anyway for you... I feel your frustration!

 

[badmf]

Hey Pac, I grow the shit out of Star and it clones very easily too. My method is pretty simple. I use 1 1/2 sq Oasis cubes and use warm ph adj to soak them just before use, then drain. Lose the Olivias its crap, no rooting hormones, indolebutyric acid, this causes much quicker rooting. Clonex, Rootech or Dip n' Grow are some that have em. Use a sterile cutting instrument, like a razor blade or very thin pair of scissors, cut at a 45 degree angle, insert immediately into the gel, wait 10 sec. minimum. Beforehand use a toothpick to make small holes beside the preformed ones in the Oasis cubes and insert the cutting about 1" into it. After you've finished spritz them with the ph adj water and cover with a dome(I use trays that hold 104) place under a twin tube flur, 80watter. Daily open the domes to vent in fresh air, pour ph adj over them and drain around every three days or more. After rooting starts remove the dome and soon they will be able to move to your veg room or another medium even soil.

 

[giantmanbags]

Pac......badmf is right on the money(except I've had great results with Olivia's)but you mentioned that you've had a 95 to a 100 percent on other cloning attempts which indicates to me that you know what you're doing.
The only thing I can add which as far as I'm concerned is perhaps the most important is the temp and humidty......I use a small temp/humidity gauge within the cloning chamber and keep the temp between 72 and 78 degrees and keep the humidty as close to 78 to 80 as possible, which means opening and closing the cover whether a dome or plastic wrap and keeping a close watch until the temp or humidty is within that range.....you'll find after a while that you can keep the dome cracked at a certain width and it will maintain the humidity far longer but you have to keep the range consistent, also you might have to scrape the stems on certain stubborn cloners.......good luck!!

 

[Guest]

Why don't you try using honey instead of rooting hormones....you'll be surprised :wink:

 

[badmf]

I was saving that for you, xxbluevelvetxx

 

[clearcutter]

Why don't you try using honey instead of rooting hormones....you'll be surprised

Are you serious, or was that ment as a joke?

 

[Guest]

I have a LUI strain that is given much trouble in rooting clone's, all other strain's clone's root fine, but this last time I waited and took cutting's from secondary lateral growth in hope's they will root for me.

Grow safe.

realhigh.

 

[Guest]

badmf...LOL!

clearcutter I am very serious, honey is a natural rooting agent, will get your clones to root in the exact amount of time it takes using any other chemical cloning agent, with the added benefits of being completely organic, with antiseptic, antibacterial, antifungus properties as well as a myriad of other benefits.

The honey used should be preferably organic and unprocessed, but any honey will do. It should be mixed 1 part honey to 3 parts RO water or distilled water to dilute it, it shouldn't be too thick, nor too watery, a syrup consistencey is fine. The solution should be lukewarm (around 18°C), when used. You simply dip the stem in the solution to cover the stem up to 1cm above the cut, then proceed to put the cutting in your medium of choice, bubbler, Jiffy pellets, rockwool, whatever. It not only works but is equally effective as any of that nasty hormone shit and will root your plants in the same amount of time.

Try it, you'll like it :wink:

 

[TORC]

Blue, thank you for that tidbit. Sounds interesting and definitely worth a shot. Who doesn't have some honey in their kitchen cabinets.

 

[Guest]

You're welcome TORC...its tried and true, and many unbelievers have seen the light once they tried it themselves :wink:

 

[zeppelindood]

i didn't think anyone else used that method.... hah

 

[Guest]

ahh yes....zeppelindood never fails to reveal himself as a gifted and creative breeder/gardener....there's a lesson for ya guys, it works for zep, it'll work for you :wink:

 

[zeppelindood]

damn she's good

damn she's good

isn't she my br0thers....

cloning is a large step in becoming self sufficient in your grow and there are many threads including step by steps and faqs. just do a ic search ^up there^

 

[badmf]

xxbluevelvetxx; I don't keep my honey in the kitchen!

 

[zeppelindood]

i can't keep enough in the house

 

[Pactivist]

Honey eh?

Honey eh?

xxbluevelvetxx, thanks for that bit of advice, I will definitely give that one a try, lots of organic honey available from the amish here . so any medium will work with this honey method?
I have to admit that after having a quite successful clone run up until now this one has me pretty frustrated. The cuts that i'm gonna dip in honey will be numbers 11&12 from this plant and none have rooted yet.
badmf, I will also try some different rooting compound, just for a test i picked up some rooting compound by miracle grow it has lots of the IBA, I am gonna try 2 cuttings with this also which will be 13&14 so far.
giantmanbags, i will try to watch and an adjust the humidity on all of these new cuttings, I don't think the temps in my room will cause any problems it is always right around 75 in where i keep them.
A friend suggested that i get some fish, cause he roots all of his clones by floating them in his fishtank and supposedly he has a 100% stick rate, so he says.
BuzzBob, i started with about 65-70 degree water, but i was told in the chatroom that this was too cold. so i raised the temperature with a heatpad to 77-80 degrees and took 3 new cuts, but this made no difference because they didn't root either.
I don't know but I thank everyone for the advice. four days and still no roots showing in the air layering yet, but i will keep updating and let y'all know how it goes.
peAce
pacT

 

[Mrs.Babba]

I shake as much excess water out of cloning cube or rockwool as possible and i never mist directly... i do spray the top of the dome though at times .... I feel if the cube or rockwool is just barely damp and the plants are not misted then it makes them search for the water a bit more ... next thing you know you will have roots growin... to me its a common mistake to get your clones too wet .. just like overwatering ...just my .02 cents

 

[Guest]

somethin a buddy likes to do is use a pin, and instead of scrapin the bottom of the stem, just pin prik it all around the bottom about 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick.

BV....honey, thats a first for me, never heard of it. thanks for that bit

CBF