Seedling Permanent Damage Timeframe?

[bobman]

I have some ak47 seedlings that I really messed up(burnt, over watered and probably threw under a 1000w too soon) but are now starting to recover and grow slowly. They are about 50 days old and and look more like 3 or 4 week olds. Will there be permanent damage affecting future growth? I thought I read that there can be permanent if they do not recover by 4 weeks. I started Durga Mata from seed last year and messed up as well(but not as bad) and the plants have always been very slow but it is a true indica.

 

[!!!]

probably not. Stress is always bad for the plants but just give them time to recover by keeping them in ideal conditions for longer than usual.

 

[Proteus]

as long as the DNA of the cells is living, the plant knows what to do. get them healthy and they will thrive.

 

[Weedhound]

as long as the DNA of the cells is living, the plant knows what to do. get them healthy and they will thrive.

I'm afraid I dont really believe this and it does seem to me that if your roots aren't healthy your plant won't be much better...which is why i worry about the roots and make sure they stay healthy and happy. I DO think stress and poor health can affect the plant in a negative way..... sometimes permanently.

Just my$00.02

good luck

 

[WeedChuck]

I'm afraid I dont really believe this and it does seem to me that if your roots aren't healthy your plant won't be much better...which is why i worry about the roots and make sure they stay healthy and happy. I DO think stress and poor health can affect the plant in a negative way..... sometimes permanently.

Just my$00.02

good luck

If thats just your .02, ill give you change. Id listen to the first two people to give you advice,..........and the 4th

 

[Weedhound]

sorry you're unhappy with my answer WC but I don't need your change, nor your attitude which is somewhat common here.....although usually folks are usually pretty helpful instead of know it alls on this site.

 

[WeedChuck]

Well im sorry, i just didnt think opinion was very helpful. I dont want to seem like ive been there before, but I have. Didnt say I KNOW everything, But I certainly have enough experience with his problem to give an experienced opinion. Are you suggesting he should give up on the plant?

 

[Weedhound]

Actually I just went to your page and checked your albums....none. You might check mine....I actually have photos in them. After 5 years I don't consider myself a newbie either.

Someone just sent me a nice pm and thats the where I want to stop...i'm not into arguing with people who already know everything. I will not be back to this thread....Ive definitely had my say and apologize for my own crabbby atrtitude here.

best of luck bobman

 

[WeedChuck]

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[dillhole]

At the risk of getting involved in this little spat, I'll have to agree with Weedhound. It was a perfectly reasonable answer to the question posed by bobman. Especially with the limited information given.

Sometimes plants never recover to their full potential if they are damaged/stressed enough. They may live and even produce a harvest, or they may not. I know because I've had it happen.

I'm an newb and that's my 2 cents.

DH

 

[WeedChuck]

OK. so what your saying is that if you fuck with a seedling enough you will forever fuck its GENETIC trait to produce, fully, if grown correctly. Ever? not after being grown correctly from clone generations later. Forever fucked up in seedling stage.?.

 

[dillhole]

Bobman's plants are 50 days old, I'd hardly consider them seedlings. You may be right that a true seedling can overcome whatever doesn't kill it, but a 50 day old plant with possible root damage (from overwatering) can have a reduction in yield.

The best advice is to grow them out and see.

DH

edit: I don't think anyone has mentioned damaging the genes.

 

[WeedChuck]

well if the genes arent damaged , what will keep the plant from recovering and produceing to its fullest? and if you look at the third response DNA is mentioned. the question isnt about reduced yields, its about permanant damage from abuse.

in my book permanant means forever.

 

[dillhole]

Are you saying that a plant can't be killed if it contains living DNA somewhere in it? That's not right. Or are you saying that if enough care and time is spent with the damaged plants that they can recover? That I conditionally agree with.

It's just that it's not always feasible to keep vegging that long. Why veg a plant for 2 months to get the same yield as one vegged 1 month? Most people don't have the luxury of multiple grow rooms to place sickly plants into flower at a later time than the healthy ones. All things being equal, a previously stressed plant will produce less than an unstressed one in a given timeframe.

I guess it all depends on your definition of "permanent damage from abuse". I consider a reduced yield permanent damage. I've said all I've come here to say. I feel like this discussion is no longer benefiting the original poster and I will agree to disagree.

DH

 

[JBlaze]

Just take a cutting and start from there.

 

[WeedChuck]

Are you saying that a plant can't be killed if it contains living DNA somewhere in it? That's not right. Or are you saying that if enough care and time is spent with the damaged plants that they can recover? That I conditionally agree with.

It's just that it's not always feasible to keep vegging that long. Why veg a plant for 2 months to get the same yield as one vegged 1 month? Most people don't have the luxury of multiple grow rooms to place sickly plants into flower at a later time than the healthy ones. All things being equal, a previously stressed plant will produce less than an unstressed one in a given timeframe.

I guess it all depends on your definition of "permanent damage from abuse". I consider a reduced yield permanent damage. I've said all I've came here to say. I feel like this discussion is no longer benefiting the original poster and I will agree to disagree.

DH

its just as feasable to say that he doesnt have money to buy more seeds. Its also feasable to say, if he cant get these fixed theres no use in trying others. and what does a persons ability to get a plant to yield and a plants capability of yielding have to do with permanent damage. sure your done . according to you theres no need to take a cutting because the last (abused) run didnt produce max yield. that means that if you take the cut it will fail even if it were grown optimaly. is that what your saying? you dont make sense.

 

[dillhole]

Do you know what a strawman argument is? It's putting words in someone elses mouth just to argue with them. Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[WeedChuck]

 

[bobman]

I am starting to believe that early issues will cause permanent damage. I started 5 more aks 16 days ago and even though my damaged seedlings have overcome their problems they are very slow and the 16 day olds look much better and are already as big as all but one. One additional thing I have noticed is that the damaged ones leaves are smaller even though they are a couple of nodes ahead. Also the roots of the new ones are already growing out the bottom of the 16oz solo cups while the older have not. I am repotting into 1 gallons tonight. I will update.

 

[bobman]

PS I am not a newbie. I have only gone from seed 3 times the first was 10 years ago and went fine. I second time was last year and it was durga mata. I think I wasted a whole year and cursed a strain because it was damaged permanently at the seedling stage. Talk about slow I kept reading grow journals and my plant never performed that those did. Low yield and slow veg but it did flower fast. I kept thinking it was because it was an indica and people were just trying to get u to buy a strain so they puffed up claims but now I am starting to think it was due to permanent damage during those first few weeks.

If proven true mine is a cautionary tale of wasting a whole year on a strain. This is not to say it can not still give great smoke but damaged seeds may not produce a good mother for the future.