seed vs cutting

[cosmic fuzz]

Has anybody noticed any differences between growing out seed mothers and the cuts taken from them? I have seen a difference in quality and flowering times in several strains. In one case I vegged several grapefruit diesels grown from seed for 10 or so weeks, took cuts and bloomed the seed mums. Then the clones grew up and I bloomed them and they were way way better than their seed mothers. I thought 10 weeks veg time would have been enough time for the seed plants to be mature. I would like to hear about other peoples experiences and thoughts on this.

 

[cosmic fuzz]

I am also wondering if anyone has noticed seed mothers to be more prone to throwing bananas than cuts taken from them.

 

[Phaeton]

I exclusively grew my favorite sativa through cloning for 4 years. Many mothers and hundreds of clones, up to 40 at a time.

Where and when the clone gets taken determines many characteristics. The clone picks up maturity clues from the mother, this can be observed visibly, clones from a young mother still have paired branches, as the mother matures the clone's branches alternate up the trunk rather than pairing.
Mature buds are more flavorful than immature buds so clones from young plants are generally less potent than clones from older plant.
Young clones are more vigorous. Midbranch clones sometimes retain the branches curvature forever, at 3 feet tall they have to be tied on one side to keep them from falling over. The bow shape of the trunk cannot be straightened.

Clones do not interfere with each other so multiple plants can use the same container and all will have unencumbered growth. Multiple seed plants can cause runaway stretch when in the same container.

Pulling a lot of clones stresses out the mother plant, stress can cause bananas. Taking fewer clones at a time can help.
Regardless of total, cutting clones from the plant causes stress. A stressed plant will grow less effectively than a healthy unstressed plant, all other circumstances being similar.

When using the same clone and dialing it in over the course of five or six harvests I find the yields are almost double that of the original seed plant. The investment in dollars to accomplish this is quite high compared to local commercial gardens.
I am old and cancered up, gourmet quality bud keeps me going and I tend to be fixated on an unobtainable perfection.

 

[FireIn.TheSky]

I have noticed differences between the seed mother and a cloned plant. Most noticiably they seem to grow differently than the seed mother.

 

[cosmic fuzz]

Right on Phaeton thanks for the info. That all makes good sense and lines up with my own experience. I usually just wait until my seed plants show sex before I take cuttings from them but I think I might wait a little longer from now on. I have an experiment going right now actually. I have 2 phenos of strawberry dogshit from connoisseur genetics in bloom. I am flowering both the seed moms and a cut from each seed mom side by side. I vegged the seed mothers for probably 4 or 5 months. I just kept cutting them back because I didn't have room to bloom them. I took cuts from them when they were about 2 months old. Time is a slippery. I will post what ever the results of what ever happens. They are 30 days in to bloom right now.