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Seed Prices Out of control?
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Greencloud
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Some breeders, such as Soma, and D.J. Short, have had to cut and run to get away from the growing police state in the United States because of either goals, or because the U.S. is trying to enact RICO laws(scary). In the U.S., if you produce a certain amount of seed or herb, you are considered a "drug kingpin". That is some serious shit.
I will pay for the risk, care, attention to detail and love that those kinds of folks put into their work.
Remember, lots of the great genes we enjoy were bred under exceptionally adverse legal conditions, over extended periods of time. Thanks to you all of those brave individuals!
I will pay for the risk, care, attention to detail and love that those kinds of folks put into their work.
Remember, lots of the great genes we enjoy were bred under exceptionally adverse legal conditions, over extended periods of time. Thanks to you all of those brave individuals!
ezimbalistjr
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Hello,
I do agree that some seeds are very expensive, but there are lots of different seeds out there. Some are cheap, some are expensive. I have never paid more than $65 US for any seeds, and I have hundreds. Easily 30 different strains. I have never felt obligated to spend large amounts of money on my collection. I have enough seeds to last me the rest of my life, and I can make more seeds and my own crosses if I want to.
If a breeder makes super seeds and people will pay super prices, then what can the problem be? I choose not to, but I do buy lots of cheaper seeds, and am very happy to do so.
This is just my opinion.
I do agree that some seeds are very expensive, but there are lots of different seeds out there. Some are cheap, some are expensive. I have never paid more than $65 US for any seeds, and I have hundreds. Easily 30 different strains. I have never felt obligated to spend large amounts of money on my collection. I have enough seeds to last me the rest of my life, and I can make more seeds and my own crosses if I want to.
If a breeder makes super seeds and people will pay super prices, then what can the problem be? I choose not to, but I do buy lots of cheaper seeds, and am very happy to do so.
This is just my opinion.
so..... how is calling you out as ungrateful for not respecting the many great risks others take in order to have ILLEGAL cannabis seeds for sale ready to ship at the simple click of a mouse throwing stones?
looks like a duck... quacks like a duck... waddles like a duck...
The price of a product is usually directly related to what the market will bear....whether it be cannabis seeds a pint of beer or an A380 Jetliner.....
The difference with cannabis seeds is that they are a product that you can clone from and/or make more seeds from.....Imagine if you could buy an A380 Jetliner, add water, nutes and light and grow many more A380's from it within 3-6 months?
I have been distributing 100's of kilo's of cannabis seeds from 100's of breeders for many years now......many of them at zero cost as 'freebies' to the end user/grower and many of them at a price that the end user/grower has been happy to pay or they would not have payed for them in the first place.....
I don't get involved in organizing smoke-outs with a bunch of kids in front of Police stations and waving political red-flags at governments who issue blank cheques to law enforcement agencies to persecute and prosecute those that grow and use cannabis either for medicinal or recreational purposes.......I don't need to Martyr myself to keep on making some difference...
What I am interested in doing (and have been for years) is being able to stay free while I grow more growers and breed more breeders with these seeds from this plant in purgatory......so making it impossible to eradicate since it is now growing in most every neighborhood globally......and the longer I do this the more growers there will be and the less likely those powers that be who try to wipe us out will be able to do so......
It's quite simple really....
The difference with cannabis seeds is that they are a product that you can clone from and/or make more seeds from.....Imagine if you could buy an A380 Jetliner, add water, nutes and light and grow many more A380's from it within 3-6 months?
I have been distributing 100's of kilo's of cannabis seeds from 100's of breeders for many years now......many of them at zero cost as 'freebies' to the end user/grower and many of them at a price that the end user/grower has been happy to pay or they would not have payed for them in the first place.....
I don't get involved in organizing smoke-outs with a bunch of kids in front of Police stations and waving political red-flags at governments who issue blank cheques to law enforcement agencies to persecute and prosecute those that grow and use cannabis either for medicinal or recreational purposes.......I don't need to Martyr myself to keep on making some difference...
What I am interested in doing (and have been for years) is being able to stay free while I grow more growers and breed more breeders with these seeds from this plant in purgatory......so making it impossible to eradicate since it is now growing in most every neighborhood globally......and the longer I do this the more growers there will be and the less likely those powers that be who try to wipe us out will be able to do so......
It's quite simple really....
My sentiments exactly, and now for his efforts hes serving a prison term in a foreign country. And the irony of the whole affair is those that should be a least sympathetic to his plight, are like good little trained parrots repeating ad nausium myths about the guy, that they have gleened from pot sites ran by competitors. Show me one other person that has done what he has for the normalization and legalization of cannabis.
His face was in the media constantly, Canada's national broadcaster made at least two documentaries on his efforts at legalization.
I dont care if the man is a scumm bag. While the other seed vendors were in their shops hidding their pussy asses counting their money he was out trying to make changes.
well I am still here, with this website educating new growers and informing those that have already established themselves...
I don't need the fame or infamy....and I enjoy my freedom's to carry on doing what I do and realize that others might have different methods.....for better or for worse....
I don't need the fame or infamy....and I enjoy my freedom's to carry on doing what I do and realize that others might have different methods.....for better or for worse....
!PeAcE!
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well said!!
harpocrates
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Come on Gypsy, keep it real. You are first and foremost a business man. You wouldn't be doing this if it didn't make you money. Period.
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Dalaihempy
You guys can complain about the seed prices all you like but lets be real here if seed retailers or commercial breeders were not here were would most of you be getting your genetics from ?.
Breeders well real ones spend time on working a line before it is put up for market they set a price and then the retail side makes a cut why should they not like any of you would do GN or shanti or simon or dj or the rest any favors truth be told most wouldn't be here if they didn't have something to gain from it.
This belonging to a community is complete shit were all here for self gain full stop reality and i joined the on line community for info relating to the modern strain lines and breeders that produced them and the history relating to given lines the growing part i knew and i shared that and collected some world class genetics at the same time a long the way.
Its a market driver society as is this one you want something and want it bad inuf you will pay it.
I look at it like this you get a quality product this being seed then you grow it breed with it make more seed and have it for ever i would pay $1000 with out blinking for a true old school hawiian sativa or a few other lines i have not seen in 25 years think i am full of shit try me.
Breeders well real ones spend time on working a line before it is put up for market they set a price and then the retail side makes a cut why should they not like any of you would do GN or shanti or simon or dj or the rest any favors truth be told most wouldn't be here if they didn't have something to gain from it.
This belonging to a community is complete shit were all here for self gain full stop reality and i joined the on line community for info relating to the modern strain lines and breeders that produced them and the history relating to given lines the growing part i knew and i shared that and collected some world class genetics at the same time a long the way.
Its a market driver society as is this one you want something and want it bad inuf you will pay it.
I look at it like this you get a quality product this being seed then you grow it breed with it make more seed and have it for ever i would pay $1000 with out blinking for a true old school hawiian sativa or a few other lines i have not seen in 25 years think i am full of shit try me.
Lt. Herb
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Just a fancy way of saying that we squeeze as much out of it as possible. Which is to be expected (at least by me), this is a business, no problem there. But the whole free the weed from purgatory, growing growers and breeding breeders bit is a little much.
Nothing worse than a salesman acting like a saint.
hopleaf
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when i see 10 packs of regular seeds going for 600-1000 bucks then i completely agree that yes those prices are way to high. i can understand why some people would spend that kind of money, becuase even if you only get one good female out of those ten seeds it's worth it. especially if it's really rare and hard to find strain that holds special qualities. personally i will never spend more than 300 hundo on a pack, and many people would say that too high.
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This belonging to a community is complete shit were all here for self gain full stop reality and i joined the on line community for info relating to the modern strain lines and breeders that produced them and the history relating to given lines the growing part i knew and i shared that and collected some world class genetics at the same time a long the way.
Thats a given, that we are all here for self gain, frick man we are all alive for self gain, that dosnt mean we dont form a community when our objectives are the same.
Some take more from that community than others and some give more back than others. This is the nature of the world.
They who sit and watch also serve a purpose.
Vendors are an important part of this community, as are breeders, all some of us are saying is try not to take more than you give back, in one way or another. Be it a web site like this, that educates and informs, or gifting seeds to a newby. Or putting your freedom on the line for legalization. Lets keep the greed under control.
This belonging to a community is complete shit were all here for self gain full stop reality and i joined the on line community for info relating to the modern strain lines and breeders that produced them and the history relating to given lines the growing part i knew and i shared that and collected some world class genetics at the same time a long the way.
Thats a given, that we are all here for self gain, frick man we are all alive for self gain, that dosnt mean we dont form a community when our objectives are the same.
Some take more from that community than others and some give more back than others. This is the nature of the world.
They who sit and watch also serve a purpose.
Vendors are an important part of this community, as are breeders, all some of us are saying is try not to take more than you give back, in one way or another. Be it a web site like this, that educates and informs, or gifting seeds to a newby. Or putting your freedom on the line for legalization. Lets keep the greed under control.
HighBreed
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Compairing cats and buds.
Let talk Savannah Cats.
Now this is CATS.
Think of the difference for a second.
Cats are pets and herb has value all across the world.
People dont farm cats but they do herb where its legal and where its not.
Those that take the risk in a place its not want the best damn cat they can get!
Now back to Savannah Cats.
These cats can cost up to $20k!
Thats for the progeny. Were not even talking about parent stock.
You want a common street cat?
By all means we have a lot of them.
Looking for something a little more specific that took time to breed multiple generations?
Well... theres always Monsanto.
Other then that LEARN TO MAKE YOUR OWN or respectfully buy from those willing to help you!
When herb is legal will we have to pay companies to rights just to grow theyre strains?
Look at the cost of heirloom tomato seeds.
Price has been steadily going up.
If you havent you need to watch Food Inc. Very important movie.
So many people crying for legalization without even working out the details.
There was a High Times article talking about a clone selling for $10k.
Katsu bought Bubba for, what was it, $500?
Then there was Breeder Steve in his cloning video saying
he would only sell clones at $10 each rooted IF you buy 100.
"Its known genetics. This aint no playin. Its worth every bit of trouble and every bit of money I spend on it.
Buts its not a game and its the way its played and I can not over emphasize. Your going to grow Marijuana
its genetics genetics genetics genetics is everything"
All that said....
We all have to make choices what we grow.
Lots of choices and there are many breeders worth investing in and many who arent.
Even the closet pollen chuckers have been a huge help in our movement.
Never know where the next elite will pop up!
Let talk Savannah Cats.
Now this is CATS.
Think of the difference for a second.
Cats are pets and herb has value all across the world.
People dont farm cats but they do herb where its legal and where its not.
Those that take the risk in a place its not want the best damn cat they can get!
Now back to Savannah Cats.
These cats can cost up to $20k!
Thats for the progeny. Were not even talking about parent stock.
You want a common street cat?
By all means we have a lot of them.
Looking for something a little more specific that took time to breed multiple generations?
Well... theres always Monsanto.
Other then that LEARN TO MAKE YOUR OWN or respectfully buy from those willing to help you!
When herb is legal will we have to pay companies to rights just to grow theyre strains?
Look at the cost of heirloom tomato seeds.
Price has been steadily going up.
If you havent you need to watch Food Inc. Very important movie.
So many people crying for legalization without even working out the details.
There was a High Times article talking about a clone selling for $10k.
Katsu bought Bubba for, what was it, $500?
Then there was Breeder Steve in his cloning video saying
he would only sell clones at $10 each rooted IF you buy 100.
"Its known genetics. This aint no playin. Its worth every bit of trouble and every bit of money I spend on it.
Buts its not a game and its the way its played and I can not over emphasize. Your going to grow Marijuana
its genetics genetics genetics genetics is everything"
All that said....
We all have to make choices what we grow.
Lots of choices and there are many breeders worth investing in and many who arent.
Even the closet pollen chuckers have been a huge help in our movement.
Never know where the next elite will pop up!
Stoner Chick
Member
As a noob, I have been looking at the prices of seeds with my mouth open and stunned, but whatever, if you want to sell exotic cars, then you have to pay the import price. $350 for feminized AK-47 is worth it considering it gives me the equivalent of a Lamborghini in smallville USA and as Gypsy said, the ability to now produce my own Lambo's for free, unlimited.
The truth is this: The average smoker won't be able to tell Strawberry Haze from Bag Seed and will pay the same price regardless just for the bag appeal. But, many of us take pride in what we are doing and even more of us are connoisseur's, so when we grow, we really want to grow something with character, personality, along with traits and qualities pertaining to physical characteristics and types of high we want to experience or for others to experience. And for that type of specialization the price of seeds are worth it, in my opinion.
The truth is this: The average smoker won't be able to tell Strawberry Haze from Bag Seed and will pay the same price regardless just for the bag appeal. But, many of us take pride in what we are doing and even more of us are connoisseur's, so when we grow, we really want to grow something with character, personality, along with traits and qualities pertaining to physical characteristics and types of high we want to experience or for others to experience. And for that type of specialization the price of seeds are worth it, in my opinion.
statusquo
Member
Seeds are illegal...Illegal things cost more. Also people are willing to pay the high prices. I really think, as I/Gypsy said earlier, that it comes down to the seller having no control over you getting more free product later via clones/more seeds. He also doesn't have control over you gifting, or even worse, selling his genetics to others.
As for gypsy's message. I think he has the credentials to give such a statement. He is not purely in it for the money. He is taking a risk and is doing the global cannabis community a favor of infinite value. He is arguably one of the more important people in the cannabis community in the last 10 years if you think about it. His ICmag work allows so many poeple access to information and the bou provides so many people with genetics. Also with EVERY ORDER you are given FREE seeds. If you read the mission statement these seeds are intended for you to give to others so that we can overgrow the world together
I admit there are obvious tactical marketing advantages to this but its benevolent nonetheless.
As for gypsy's message. I think he has the credentials to give such a statement. He is not purely in it for the money. He is taking a risk and is doing the global cannabis community a favor of infinite value. He is arguably one of the more important people in the cannabis community in the last 10 years if you think about it. His ICmag work allows so many poeple access to information and the bou provides so many people with genetics. Also with EVERY ORDER you are given FREE seeds. If you read the mission statement these seeds are intended for you to give to others so that we can overgrow the world together
I admit there are obvious tactical marketing advantages to this but its benevolent nonetheless.
OPT
Member
I do agree that some prices of seeds are completely rediculous, but I can understand it.
The thing about this scenerio is that there are plenty of breeders out there, private or known, that have a better price range for different people. If you can't afford a pack of SSSDH for 200 bucks, then so be it, go with a cheaper strain that you can more then likely find a very good gem that you were looking for in the first place.
One of the things I love about this plant is how it pays for itself several times over, even after the first grow. If you really do want those 200+ seeds, then just sell some of your harvest and save the money strictly for the seeds.
When I first started growing MJ I thought about the cost of lights, nutes, etc, everything I would need, and It seemed like a lot of money. But the more I thought a bout it the more I realized that it would pay for itself several times over in the future.
200 bucks for seeds, well thats 2, 7 gram bags and bam, they are paid for. 400 watt light and ballast for a couple hundred bucks, well that will last you several harvests unless your extremely unlucky, so just think of how much product you would grow with that tool.
It's really better not to even stress about what you can and cannot have. There is a reason for this, and only yourself can change it.
Don't stress it so much, and just grow the shit we all love so dearly!
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The thing about this scenerio is that there are plenty of breeders out there, private or known, that have a better price range for different people. If you can't afford a pack of SSSDH for 200 bucks, then so be it, go with a cheaper strain that you can more then likely find a very good gem that you were looking for in the first place.
One of the things I love about this plant is how it pays for itself several times over, even after the first grow. If you really do want those 200+ seeds, then just sell some of your harvest and save the money strictly for the seeds.
When I first started growing MJ I thought about the cost of lights, nutes, etc, everything I would need, and It seemed like a lot of money. But the more I thought a bout it the more I realized that it would pay for itself several times over in the future.
200 bucks for seeds, well thats 2, 7 gram bags and bam, they are paid for. 400 watt light and ballast for a couple hundred bucks, well that will last you several harvests unless your extremely unlucky, so just think of how much product you would grow with that tool.
It's really better not to even stress about what you can and cannot have. There is a reason for this, and only yourself can change it.
Don't stress it so much, and just grow the shit we all love so dearly!
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hopleaf
Member
not sure you can even begin to compare breeding cannabis to breeding cats. sure there are some parallels, but you can get hundreds of seeds with just having two plants. where your talking a cat maybe has 5-6 kittens a year.
sorry but that is really weak comparison imo. otherwise i agree with the point you were trying to make.
sorry but that is really weak comparison imo. otherwise i agree with the point you were trying to make.
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