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[newbgrow]

I'm starting to like the word "hate". If we could all prove that "hate" is a bad thing and leads to evil, then anyone who "hates" must be evil and wrong.

Now I can do or say anything I want, because if you "hate" me for it, you must also be a bigot, and all bigots are racists and rednecks in tinfoil hats and nazis, and nazis killed 6 million people so they should be imprisoned and put to death.

Therefore, if you disagree with me, you are automatically the bane of all humanity, and a Nazi, and should die like a racist bigot.

I'm starting to like this logic.

 

[genkisan]

I'm starting to like the word "hate". If we could all prove that "hate" is a bad thing and leads to evil, then anyone who "hates" must be evil and wrong.

Now I can do or say anything I want, because if you "hate" me for it, you must also be a bigot, and all bigots are racists and rednecks in tinfoil hats and nazis, and nazis killed 6 million people so they should be imprisoned and put to death.

Therefore, if you disagree with me, you are automatically the bane of all humanity, and a Nazi, and should die like a racist bigot.

I'm starting to like this logic.

Actually, bigot has a very specific meaning:

bigot

Main Entry:
big·ot Listen to the pronunciation of bigot
Pronunciation:
\ˈbi-gət\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French, hypocrite, bigot
Date:
1660

: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

I think someone who clings to a proven, hateful and racist forgery as the gospel truth kinda qualifies as obstinate, don't you?

I think I am going to stop posting in this thread as of now......there really is no point trying to discuss anything with someone like S2D. He is like someone who thinks Elvis is alive and well, and mixing drinks with Jimmy Hoffa......fookin' nuts and delusional.

I am however happy that he has posted enough in this thread to make it apparent to most of us here that he is an ignorant, delusional bigoted anti-semite, and thus reduced any real negative impact he could have. When colors show true, folks kinda get the point.
And judging from all the positive karma I have gotten from this thread and my stance opposing his hatemongering, folks have gotten the point indeed.

 

[newbgrow]

Actually, bigot has a very specific meaning:


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I think someone who clings to a proven, hateful and racist forgery as the gospel truth kinda qualifies as obstinate, don't you?

No, I don't.

Given a carefully crafted wording, you can make anyone seem like a person intolerantly devoted to his own opinions. In fact, everyone at one time or another is intolerant to something. Be it murder and rape, rats and cops, or zionists. It makes no difference. "Bigot" in my opinion is one of those damn propaganda words to squash the opposition by giving them a bad image, and therefore anything they say would automatically be wrong. They tried to do the same thing with "terrorist". And with "fag-enabler" - but that failed.

As for the hateful and racist forgery, I really don't know shit about the Protocal of Zion - whatever. But those of you who can't separate between a religion, a culture, a race, and a philosophical ideology, all with a similar name, are just fooling yourselves.

The "Hate Defense"... I am "bigoted" to. Because I have absolutely no tolerance for people who perpetuate this confuse tactic using strawmans and ad hominem attacks to falsely prove a point. Anyone who says something like:

"If you disagree with the creation of Israel, you must be against the Jewish right to have a state in the Holy Land as depicted in the Holy Bible, therefore you are anti-Semite." You people have no sympathies from me, that's all I'll say, as I agree this topic is getting a bit stale.

Also note, I am not making this specifically about the Jewish people. In fact, all different kinds of people have used this retarded defense, starting with the US Government: "If you want to legalize drugs, that must make you a criminal terrorist supporter."

"Hatemongering"... as you say. I'll be proud to be.

 

[Guest]

Actually, bigot has a very specific meaning:




I think someone who clings to a proven, hateful and racist forgery as the gospel truth kinda qualifies as obstinate, don't you?

I think I am going to stop posting in this thread as of now......there really is no point trying to discuss anything with someone like S2D. He is like someone who thinks Elvis is alive and well, and mixing drinks with Jimmy Hoffa......fookin' nuts and delusional.

I am however happy that he has posted enough in this thread to make it apparent to most of us here that he is an ignorant, delusional bigoted anti-semite, and thus reduced any real negative impact he could have. When colors show true, folks kinda get the point.
And judging from all the positive karma I have gotten from this thread and my stance opposing his hatemongering, folks have gotten the point indeed.

The only true colors that have been shown are yours, blue and white. ZIONIST.

Your vile attempts at assassinating my character fits right in too....You can't argue a topic either.

 

[Northern_Greens]

and your motto has been shown.....it reads :KKK


N_G

 

[HCSmyth]

The only true colors that have been shown are yours, blue and white. ZIONIST.

Ohhh! You’re a Zionist genkisan! Ouch that must hurt real bad. What does that even mean? Does that mean you are going to move to Israel kick off some Palestinians off their land, set up a kibbutz and Uzi some Palestinian children down? Or does that mean you just do not agree with him?

I think I am going to stop posting in this thread as of now......there really is no point trying to discuss anything with someone like S2D. He is like someone who thinks Elvis is alive and well, and mixing drinks with Jimmy Hoffa......fookin' nuts and delusional.

But Seriously, I don't blame you and good point.

 

[Verite]

The only true colors that have been shown are yours, blue and white. ZIONIST.

Your vile attempts at assassinating my character fits right in too....You can't argue a topic either.

You cant assassinate something you never had. Doesnt take character to recycle 50 year old hate monger propaganda. Just takes another mindless idiot. The only thing you've proved is the world still has plenty of them.

 

[Backdoor man]

protocols are fake:

http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/protocol.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_9_31/ai_59199787

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20030112/ai_n9626969

ok, now theres multiple sources against the protocols....do you still want to use it as your gosple of conspiracies and hate??


N_G

Where in any of those links does it prove one way or another the authenticity of the Protocols?
Im not saying they are genuine or fake, i honestly do not know, it was never proved that the czarist police forged the documents and neither was it proved that a Jew wrote it, and unless something new comes up, we'll probably never know.

objectivity is the key to the truth, not "I want to believe".
What ever happened to logic?

 

[Guest]

Agent Smith, don't quote other people and put my name to it.

Verite...the guy with two flies screwing for an avatar is surely who everyone will look to for answers and judgments about people's character whom you don't even know.

Backdoor man...good post. You and I both know they won't ever come close to doing anything that even slightly resembles logic nor objectivity.

 

[Backdoor man]

I'm starting to like the word "hate". If we could all prove that "hate" is a bad thing and leads to evil, then anyone who "hates" must be evil and wrong.

Now I can do or say anything I want, because if you "hate" me for it, you must also be a bigot, and all bigots are racists and rednecks in tinfoil hats and nazis, and nazis killed 6 million people so they should be imprisoned and put to death.

Therefore, if you disagree with me, you are automatically the bane of all humanity, and a Nazi, and should die like a racist bigot.

I'm starting to like this logic.

You've nailed it, not only has this tactic been employed to silence Israel's critics but also to stop any debate on the holocaust and the role of Zionism over this past century or so, it has been used with a great deal of success to silence critics of mass immigration and many other issues that concern people throughout the western world.
Do you know the actual term "racist" came from the Soviet union. You see due to the fact that many Russians began to realise that the revolution of 1917 was more of a "foreign takeover" than a "peoples republic", "racist" was used to silence them and the gulag was then used to murder them.

Now Communism they say is dead, i disagree, in fact i believe it has never been in a better position, yes, the financial aspect has gone but certainly not the cultural side, that is alive and kicking in the guise of political correctness, and there is no place better to see it in action right here and on the other related threads, with all the cry babies using their PC mantras, all singing from the same songsheet, delusional, dimwitted cattle.

 

[dreamdancer]

Dear Michael,

There's some temptation to begin with the question of whether
Churchill can be defined as a Zionist - but maybe we should leave this to the end of the dialogue.

So I will start with a more specific question, and let me quote first
from your book: "Churchill also believed that Zionism advanced the cause of civilization, which was always the overriding preoccupation in his worldview".

In what way was Zionism advancing civilization?

Best

SR

Winston Churchill's ultimate goal was to advance civilization, a cause that was often discussed in England during the early years of his life. By "civilization" he essentially meant the Christian European way of life: its broad values, customs, laws, and economic systems. He wrote in 1908, "No man has a right to be idle, whoever he be or wherever he lives. He is bound to go forward and take an honest share in the general work of the world." People could contribute to progress in different ways, such as developing land; advancing science, literature, or philosophy; or introducing liberal laws, culture, and institutions. He considered Britain and its empire the chief champions of civilization, providing British nationalism and imperialism an additional moral underpinning.

Churchill was naturally philo-Semitic and thought the Jews were a great race whose religious beliefs had contributed greatly to the foundations of Christian civilization. He also came to maintain that the Zionists advanced civilization by their beliefs and actions. For him this was a more important basis for supporting Zionism than the historical and biblical Jewish attachment to the Holy Land, in which he also believed.

Churchill came to this conclusion from his personal encounters with Zionists in England and Palestine. He perceived that the Zionists shared many of his values. Indeed, many of the Russian Jewish Zionists who began to immigrate to Palestine and England in the late 19th century subscribed to many of the same values, such as freedom, knowledge, scientific advancement, and a spiritual bond with the soil. Moreover, the Russian Jewish immigrants in England, such as the Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann, romanticized England and inculcated many of its values.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerGuest.jhtml?itemNo=917747

 

[Backdoor man]

Dear Michael,

There's some temptation to begin with the question of whether
Churchill can be defined as a Zionist - but maybe we should leave this to the end of the dialogue.

So I will start with a more specific question, and let me quote first
from your book: "Churchill also believed that Zionism advanced the cause of civilization, which was always the overriding preoccupation in his worldview".

In what way was Zionism advancing civilization?

Best

SR

Winston Churchill's ultimate goal was to advance civilization, a cause that was often discussed in England during the early years of his life. By "civilization" he essentially meant the Christian European way of life: its broad values, customs, laws, and economic systems. He wrote in 1908, "No man has a right to be idle, whoever he be or wherever he lives. He is bound to go forward and take an honest share in the general work of the world." People could contribute to progress in different ways, such as developing land; advancing science, literature, or philosophy; or introducing liberal laws, culture, and institutions. He considered Britain and its empire the chief champions of civilization, providing British nationalism and imperialism an additional moral underpinning.

Churchill was naturally philo-Semitic and thought the Jews were a great race whose religious beliefs had contributed greatly to the foundations of Christian civilization. He also came to maintain that the Zionists advanced civilization by their beliefs and actions. For him this was a more important basis for supporting Zionism than the historical and biblical Jewish attachment to the Holy Land, in which he also believed.

Churchill came to this conclusion from his personal encounters with Zionists in England and Palestine. He perceived that the Zionists shared many of his values. Indeed, many of the Russian Jewish Zionists who began to immigrate to Palestine and England in the late 19th century subscribed to many of the same values, such as freedom, knowledge, scientific advancement, and a spiritual bond with the soil. Moreover, the Russian Jewish immigrants in England, such as the Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann, romanticized England and inculcated many of its values.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerGuest.jhtml?itemNo=917747

Interestingly Churchill wrote an article for The Sunday Morning Herald in 1920 titled "Zionism versus Bolshevism: A struggle for the soul of the Jewish people", Im sure the likes of Nubiebiatch, TheAmerican and company would come back calling Churchill all kinds of horrible names if they ever took the time to read it, because not only does Churchill write about organised Jewry and its power, but also about the Russian revolution and how "a sinister confederacy of international Jews have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads"..

"...There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about ofthe Russian revolution by these International and for the most part Atheistical Jews..."

Even respectable world leaders are "conspiracy nuts" not just me and S2D

It is also worth noting that Churchill was himself a Freemason and that he had close ties to Britain and America's leading Zionists from the early 1930's when he joined a group called "The focus" and was paid in what today would be millions just to agaitate against Germany and Hitler on behalf of the group.
Make of those facts what you will, just deal with them perhaps without shooting down the messenger for once.

 

[Guest]

Henry Ford also had much to say about this topic. I wonder how many of them drive fords, lol!

 

[dreamdancer]

When he was colonial secretary in 1921 and required to implement the Balfour Declaration, he visited Palestine and became convinced of the Zionist contribution to civilization. His encounters with the Palestinian Arabs offered him a context for the Zionist experiment. He considered the Palestinian Arabs anti-British (they had supported the Ottomans in the First World War) intransigent, and backward people who never developed the land. In contrast, he was impressed with the Zionists' hydroelectric plans, their creation of towns out of deserts and vineyards out of wilderness, and their own claim that they had a "civilizing" mission that would benefit Palestinian Arabs and Jews. He marveled, for instance, at the agricultural achievements of Rishon Lezion, the first permanent Zionist agricultural settlement, "Nothing will stand in your way. You have changed desolate places to smiling orchards and initiated progress instead of stagnation." He became convinced there was a civilizational imperative for the Zionists to govern the land.

His view solidified over time. As illiberal, repugnant ideologies, such as Bolshevism and Nazism arose and spread, the positive values of the Zionists stood out more, especially in contrast to the Palestinian Arabs, who supported the Nazis and the Axis Powers. The civilizational theme remained essential to his continued support of the Zionist cause.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerGuest.jhtml?itemNo=917747