Secret Societies

[genkisan]

Same reason everyone else is. Racist rednecks are a hoot to poke fun at.

Heres a favorite clip I had translated to your preferred language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkNJHUhIiMI


p.s. dont worry I got you a t-shirt too.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Verite again.

You da man Verite.........dat's why you is der comic relief Guru chappie.....

 

[Verite]

What's this? Another attack on me personally? Unmitigated eh? Somebody just learned a big word!

Racial anti-semitism? Judaism is not a race. It's a religion.

Zionism is not judaism. It's a political movement.

I might be an "unmitigated fool" but at least I'm not a liar.

The protocols are quite accurate for such a forgery. Care to explain why that is? Talk about posting misinformation.

I posted this in another thread but it deserves reposting here where the clueless can be re-enlightened.

This should suffice as to how clueless S2D is since the crux of his Im not a racist arguement lies upon his 'understanding' that Jews are not a race and are only a religion to him. Get a clue dude since your thin veiled guise is more than showing. A rose by any other name is still a rose.

Jew (jōō) Pronunciation Key
n.
1.An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2.A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3.A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jew

race2 /reɪs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[reys] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology. a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.

4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.
8. a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.
9. any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons: Journalists are an interesting race.
10. the characteristic taste or flavor of wine.
–adjective 11. of or pertaining to the races of humankind.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race

 

[Verite]

Awww come on STD, whatsamatteru? Cat got yer tongue? Have we discovered the achilles heel of the typical conspiracy turd? That theyre so busy shoveling crap into their heads from other misinformative websites that they dont have time to spot check the crap coming out of their own mouth? To the point where they get 0wned by some kid with a dictionary? tsk-tsk

neener,neener,neener
http://www.alicedee.com.au/www.alicedee.com.au/idiot.swf

 

[TNTBudSticker]

It's not a secret....

Just a FAD

 

[Guest]

Awww come on STD, whatsamatteru? Cat got yer tongue? Have we discovered the achilles heel of the typical conspiracy turd? That theyre so busy shoveling crap into their heads from other misinformative websites that they dont have time to spot check the crap coming out of their own mouth? To the point where they get 0wned by some kid with a dictionary? tsk-tsk

neener,neener,neener
http://www.alicedee.com.au/www.alicedee.com.au/idiot.swf

Hmm...a kid with a dicitonary. Let's see how you do with this. Is Zionism a race? Also, please explain how a race (Judaism as you say) can have so many different races within it? By your definition where you highlight "2.A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3.A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah." Ashkenazi Jews are NEITHER of these. How do you explain that?

You spent five minutes with a dictionary and you figured it ALL out from one source eh? Nice try.

 

[D0nC0smic]

Ok first of all, being a Jew can mean being opart of a race a religion or a culture, many Jews are all three, many are only one or two. most american Jews are ethnically and culturally jewish but generally non observant religiously. Jews in other countries may have decended from converts and therefore may not be culturally jewish. The term anti semitism refers to people who are against not the Jewish religion, but the Jewish race. Though in actuality the semitic race includes not only jews, but most of the traditional inhabitants of the middle east, excluding arabs. Most iranians are not arabs, they are persians, and therefore semites.
Zionism refers to the establishment of a Jewish state, ie israel. While i personally do not thnk this is a good idea, i fail to see any connection between zionism and evil plots for world domination. Secret societies exist, they may include some very rich and very powerful people, they may oull alot of backroom deals that let their members get away with alot of really nasty shit, but thats just standard greed, the world runs on backroom deals, not only at that level but on every level. secret societies don't ru the world, they are just an example of the nature of people to treat their friends better than they do total strangers.

 

[Guest]

Good explanation D0n, but there is indeed more than just a little back scratching going on. Thanks for helping somewhat clear up the racism issue. It seems some people here have a dire need to keep this a racist game, but that's just smoke and mirrors.

 

[newbgrow]

Jew (jōō) Pronunciation Key
n.
1.An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2.A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3.A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jew

I'm not a fan of S2D's reasoning, but perhaps you should pay attention to the propaganda. These "race" definitions are being changed all the time to broaden their scopes and make people feel included. For example, did you know Moroccans and Egyptians are "White"?

If we're talking about Judaism, it's important to make the distinction between the culture and the religion in what we're talking about. Unfortunately, the definitions you provided will not suffice in defining Judaism as a culture.

Let's look at #3 first, since it's the easiest to explain. The kingdom of Judah lies in modern day Palestian, yet Palestinians aren't Jews, neither are the majority of other the semetic "minorities" living in the region.

On to #2, we all know that Jews were displaced from their homeland some millenia ago and have successfully blended into other, especially the Slavic and Germanic, cultures for at least a thousand years. You cannot legitimately say this wide variety of people are actually direct descendants of ancient Hebrews, or even have an ethnicity based on Judaism.

The definition of "Jew" was written this way to allow people of all these different ethnicities to become "Jews" by this definition, and live in Palestine.. erhm.. Israel. Sort of like a Mandate of Heaven... because "God" gave them this right to return to their "homeland" (or their so-called ancestor's).

That's where Zionism comes in. Zionism is a political movement advocating the return of all Jews around the world to Israel to start their new country. Well, that already succeeded more or less - Zionism should be dead. What S2D is talking about is actually, I believe, neo-Zionism, which is a racist philosophy something like "Jews deserve more than any other race everything because they are the chosen people".

Unfortunately, many people in Israel, if you read the many online forums and Israeli news sites, actually believe in this bullshit. That's why I find it so disagreeable.

Now, I'm not going to get into conspiracies because I don't want to stir up controversy (too late), but instead of getting all defensive on future Jew-talk, we should come up with a distinction between:

-Judaism/Jew
-Zionism
-Semite/Semitic - which is actually a language group e.g. Arabs

BTW, what the f'ing hell does secret societies have to do with Zionism??? S2D, go somewhere else...


Oh, and I just saw this...

The term anti semitism refers to people who are against not the Jewish religion, but the Jewish race. Though in actuality the semitic race includes not only jews, but most of the traditional inhabitants of the middle east, excluding arabs. Most iranians are not arabs, they are persians, and therefore semites.

Semites, as I said above, is a group of languages sourced from the Arabic peninsula. Examples of semites may include Arabs, Palestines, Akkadians (Iraqi), original Hebrew. Iranians, I believe, though I may be wrong, use a completely different language system. The Jews capitalized on this opportunity to call themselves "Semitic" and therefore claim the Holy Land. In actuality, the majority of Jews aren't Semetic, and do not speak a Semetic language, due to extensive outbreeding (i.e. mixing with other cultures). Therefore, only some Jews are Semites, and some Semites are not Jews.

In my opinion that makes the word "anti-Semitism" totally inappropriate.

 

[D0nC0smic]

what he said

 

[D0nC0smic]

although to the above i would also add that a large number, possibly the majority, or neo zionists are evangelical christians within the united states.

 

[Guest]

Yes, there are many christian zionists as well. I won't be going away though. Zionism has infiltrated secret societies like Illuminati and Freemasons. I think Zionism is very relevant to the discussion of secret societies.

 

[D0nC0smic]

secret societies don't scare me, right wing christian zealots do. The only thing i have to be afraid of regarding zionists are the people that believe in the rapture and the interpretation of revelations that believes that in order for christ to return that the temple of solomon must be rebuilt

 

[newbieb]

s2d if jews were a race would you then consider yourself a racist?

 

[Guest]

No, because I keep trying to make the distinction between "jews" and "zionism". If zionism is a race, then what's it a race to? Where is the finish line? This is the same type of semantics you are trying to use. If you want to play a game of confusion I can do that as well.

 

[Verite]

Then please correct us all where you said that Judaism was a religion and not a race.

Those were your exact words, no? And those words would be proven wrong, no?

If were missing something just holler.

 

[genkisan]

No, because I keep trying to make the distinction between "jews" and "zionism". If zionism is a race, then what's it a race to? Where is the finish line? This is the same type of semantics you are trying to use. If you want to play a game of confusion I can do that as well.

Listen....you are not fooling anyone with your bullshit word games and semantic technicalities.


The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion has nothing to do with the political movement of zionism.
It is about JEWS. Same goes for the rantings of the loony-tunes Nesta Webster and most of the other shite sources of "truth" you posted.

And unless you have not realized, promoting a book that has been proven to be an anti-semitic fabrication over 50 years ago as the gospel truth is called promoting hate, and is an inherently anti-semitic act.

Not anti-zionist......anti-semitic.

In many places in Europe you could be charged criminally for it.

You stupid present day anti-semites think that replacing the word "jew" with the word "zionist" makes your hate more stylish and acceptable and avoids the stigma of being a racist. It's kinda like Bill Clinton saying he didn't inhale.......total horseshit, and not foolin' anyone.


As far as the difference between religious anti-judaism and racial anti-semitism, I am a bit pressed for time right now, so will have to get back to that topic this evening.

 

[Guest]

Listen....you are not fooling anyone with your bullshit word games and semantic technicalities.


The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion has nothing to do with the political movement of zionism.
It is about JEWS. Same goes for the rantings of the loony-tunes Nesta Webster and most of the other shite sources of "truth" you posted.

And unless you have not realized, promoting a book that has been proven to be an anti-semitic fabrication over 50 years ago as the gospel truth is called promoting hate, and is an inherently anti-semitic act.

Not anti-zionist......anti-semitic.

In many places in Europe you could be charged criminally for it.

You stupid present day anti-semites think that replacing the word "jew" with the word "zionist" makes your hate more stylish and acceptable and avoids the stigma of being a racist. It's kinda like Bill Clinton saying he didn't inhale.......total horseshit, and not foolin' anyone.


As far as the difference between religious anti-judaism and racial anti-semitism, I am a bit pressed for time right now, so will have to get back to that topic this evening.

Listen, you're not fooling anyone with your bullshit either. You have a serious NEED to make this a racial issue. You NEED this to be about hate. You NEED to prove that there is something inherrently wrong with opposing Zionism. You skipped right by the fact that there are many christian zionists. Wtf does your dumb ass say about that? You can't say shit.

See, if this doesn't turn into a racial issue, you don't have a leg to stand on. What do you say about Jews who oppose zionism? Are they anti-semitic? What about the fact that 95% of the world's Jewry is NOT semitic??

You can try all you want to make this a racial issue, but in reality you are just exposing yourself as a jackass. Without these arguments based on lies and exploiting the misconceptions of the general public, Zion will fall. Deceit is the only thing that's kept it afloat.

I'm sure there are many people reading this thread wondering "gee....what is this idiot's motive for trying to push this into a racial issue?" The only logical conclusion is you feel the need to continue the zionist trick of playing the VICTIM, but it's NOT WORKING.

You keep calling the Protocols an "anti-semitic" forgery, yet you repeatedly fail to explain that the document is actually 100% accurate and was written by Zionists. ONLY 2/5's of the protocols are "RELATED" to Joly's book.

The book by Joly was called (in French) "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu". It was published in Brussels (Belgium) in 1864 (with a Geneva imprint, although the edition I have seen is dated 1868 and has a Brussels imprint). Cohn notes (p 74-5): "In all, over 160 passages in the Protocols, totaling two-fifths of the entire text, are clearly based on passages in Joly;

2/5's RELATED to another work. Hardly what I would call a direct forgery. Looks more like you and the race issue. Somebody was looking for an "out" for the protocols and they conveniently found one in Joly's book. NOT EVEN HALF of the protocols are "RELATED" to this earlier work. Also, just because it can be shown to "RELATE" to something else, does NOT make it a forgery.

The document has proven 100% accurate thus far. Nice try again racist.

 

[zymos]

You keep calling the Protocols an "anti-semitic" forgery, yet you repeatedly fail to explain that the document is actually 100% accurate and was written by Zionists. ONLY 2/5's of the protocols are "RELATED" to Joly's book.

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Except it wasn't even written by Zionists. That's why we keep saying it is a forgery.

 

[Guest]

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Except it wasn't even written by Zionists. That's why we keep saying it is a forgery.

You know, it's funny, all you guys that want to push the protocols off as a forgery must know something that those of us who believe there is some truth to it, because it can't be a forgery if we don't have the original. Hmm... Maybe you guys who want it to be "discredited" as a forgery are the one's with the original copies, or maybe even the updated one, eh? What a silly angle to take knowing that the general public only has translations, and no original. How can a document be a forgery without an original to prove it's a forgery?

Damn...ya'll messed up again.

 

[Northern_Greens]

protocols are fake:

http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/protocol.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_9_31/ai_59199787

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20030112/ai_n9626969

ok, now theres multiple sources against the protocols....do you still want to use it as your gosple of conspiracies and hate??


N_G