SECOND TRY STILL TROUBLE HELP!!!!

[gwiz_capo]

This is my second attempt and i have the same problem. they look good till about a month and a half in then they j start looking dead. all nutes were done according to directions and only 1/2 strentgh...why cant i do this right??? first two pics are from a cab with a 75w mh and 75 w hps. second is under a 400 hps. please lmk how to fix this!!!

it was a super silvr but its dying



it was a nice Island sweet skunk but its dying too!!!



a durban under a 400 hps looks like shit too!!!

 

[TrickHomie]

Give us some info on watering schedule, nutes and water Ph.
And how are temperatures in the room? distance from the lights, ventilation?

My guess is, very high temps and/or humidity (due to bad ventilation). But for a final conclusion we need more info.

 

[gwiz_capo]

temps are nvr above 82 unless really hott out. ac going keeps them @ high 70s. i moisten the soil a few times a day so it wont dry out but not the plants nearly as often. humidity is usually between 20s and 30s and i j started fox farm nutes at 1/2 strength but its been no help.




the first two are in a cab that has a few mini fans and a stanley blower sucking air out. this is the supr slvr and island sweet skunk

the last one is in a closet with a blower directed at the plants.








should I not moisten the soil daily??? am I nuting wrong???

 

[accessndx]

Hmmmmmm.....you got me there. That nice island sweet skunk looks exactly like plants that have been deprived of water. It doesn't look "burned" (except in the first picture of the super silvr.) or "diseased"....it looks like the plant has no hydrostatic pressure left....and everything is wilted (especially in the second picture of the sweet skunk)
Doesn't make any sense from you description.
I've done everything you could potentially do to abuse a plant...especially males. I've had males unwatered in a black plastic trash bag for a week and they're still kicking.
I've overfertilized.....underfertilized....overwatered, underwatered....knocked over....infested....horrible or no ventilation.
You name it.

Out of curiosity....how close is the light to those plants?

I'm sure someone here will make a brilliant observation. I wouldn't get discouraged...it's probably something silly that will dawn on you eventually...

These things are "weeds" and in fact will grow that way with a bit of TLC and some obvious things: light, water, air, nutrients. It's ALWAYS best to air on the side of conservative when in doubt: less water, less nutrients.....

Try going with straight water if you think you're overdoing it with the nutes. The worst thing that can happen is your plants turn a bit yellow and then you'll know they need some nutes.

I'm also thinking there may be something wrong with the water you're using....ie-chemicals used to treat the water....but that doesn't explain why everything is cool for a month and a half and then takes a nosedive.

 

[TrickHomie]

75W HID light (per 1 plant) seems just too much for such small plants, and by the pics, the lights seem to be really close. There no separating glass/plexiglass between the lights and plants.

As for watering... I would suggest 200ml of water per plant each morning (for this size). By your statement "i moisten the soil a few times a day" I would say you're overwatering them.

BTW, whats with the stripes on the pics?
Try to take pics in daylight. HPS light hides much of the detail. Some close-ups of the leafs would be nice too. Anyway even from those photos it doesn't look like a nute problem... Leaving it to watering/humidity/heat

 

[accessndx]

When watering: don't do it daily unless it's "called for". That means you water the plant until a bit of water comes out the bottom. Then you wait until you can stick the tip of your finger into the soil and it feels dry.....that's when you water again.

If you think you've hit the plants with TOO much nutrients: flush the soil with water. It's best to use distilled water because it has nothing in it. I'm still not certain you don't have an issue with the water you're currently using (probably tap?).
If you can't get distilled water, let your water sit out overnight.....things like chlorine and other nasties will evaporate...leaving you with better quality water.

The other thing I noticed is that those pots the plants are in are a bit big. You may in fact be overwatering...and causing your medium to become muddy...and therefore has less aeration......it may cause the same visible effect as too dry of a medium.

Like I said: it's best to flush that soil out if you think you bombed it.....then start an appropriate watering regimen. You may want to start out with smaller pots also, and transplant the plant when it becomes close to rootbound into those larger ones.

 

[accessndx]

BTW, whats with the stripes on the pics?

That's probably his iPhone registering the electromagnetic field emitted by the HPS lights. It's a 60 hertz oscilloscopic EM interference pattern.

I'm starting to think that the overwatering might be the issue also. Don't those plants look a bit dried out though>?

 

[TrickHomie]

Don't those plants look a bit dried out though>?

Overwatering causes the same.

And overwatering + high temps (due to close HID lights) is bad... and it also produces high humidity.

I would say that, when the plants were stil babies, their roots weren't that deep. So overwatering wasn't such a problem, since water quickly moves down to the bottom of the pot, and the roots aren't overwatered. And as seedlings high humidity isn't that bad.

Now when the roots aare all over the pot, overwatering is now a problem. Higher plants = less space between them and lights... Problems...

It's all a gues, but that's how I see things for now.

 

[B.C.]

Looks like they need ta be watered ( not moistened? ). Get yerself a water bottle that has the pull up push down top. This will allow ya ta water without blowing out the soil, it's very gentle. Water them all slowiy and evenly, give em all lil at first, then go back over em again till ya get alil water comin out the bottom and stop. Take notice how heavy the pot is at that point. After 4-5 days feel the pot again, if ya can't tell by the weight, by all means stick yer finger in the soil ( on the edge ) an inch er two, if it's dry, water...... About the nutes. Tiger bloom and Grow Big are low in PH, Big bloom is not. So when ya use the Grow big use Big Bloom with it to off set the PH. Although yer plants don't seem ta have PH issues. The big bloom will also help root developement and feed yer soils microbes, and that will help keep them healthy. Somethin like 1 Tbls of BB to 1 Tsp of GB will work great, remember always add em to the water, not the water to them. Hang in there, I think yer jus havin problems with yer watering. What ever it is, we can figure it out. If ya have any questions jus hollar. Good luck! BC

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

looks like u water too oftin they might have a damping/pythium issue.

 

[gwiz_capo]

The ISS and SSH in the cab are only 7" from the 75w hids. but they streched toward the light and honestly looked great for a while! the ssh had the craziest hairs cming out of it but slowly the leaves started curling from the bottom to the top as well as the ISS!! the durban is about 26" from the 400w hps. i startd them out in peat pellets without germing and they did awsome for a while. i thot i finally had this down pat!!

 

[gwiz_capo]

i am using big bloom and grow big with water at 1/2 strengh of directions as i read on here it is better to start out gradual. should i have started nuting earlier?? i just started because i wanted to give the plants time to adjust to the bigger pots and bcuz its on ocean forest soil which i thot had nutes in for 3 weeks or so. Should i be misting the plants daily?? i havent been because i didnt want to overwater. the soil gets really dry fast and i heard you cant let it dry out thats why i moisten the soil as often as i have been.

can i save these?? are these too late to be saved??
should i not moisten the soil as often as i do?
should i mist more??
thanks you guys are helpful!!

 

[B.C.]

How often are watering the normal way? You shouldn't need ta mist them at all, soil or plants.

 

[TrickHomie]

It looks like this really comes down to over/underwatering. Both show similar symptoms as your plants.

How do you determine when the soil is dry? Do you test it with finger/toothpick or you determine it by the weight of the pot? I hope you know, that if the top 1 or 2 inches of soil are dry, that doesn't mean that all of the soil is dry And the roots don't like being stuck in mud.

Also I would advise you to put a separation plexiglass between the HIDs and the plants, and ventilate the space above the plexi. Although this might not be related to your current problem, It might cause a future problem (specially in tight places).

Edit: It just came to my mind... I know it may sound stupid, but... As far as I see those are plastic pots. Some of those come without drilled drainage holes, and just have marks where you should drill them as big as you like...
So is there any chance you got some of those pots, and didn't open drainage holes on the bottom?

 

[BudLove]

Gwiz,

It is very common for new growers to, due to lack of experience, literally love their plants to death.... most forget these are weeds and usually grow in some of the harshest conditions. Instead, we fidder and fodder and water and mist and add nutrients when we personally feel hungry and so on and so on.

I would say that without pictures of how your ladies look right now, it's hard to say if you can save them or not...but I would certainly try regardless.

Do the following and you should be back on your way to happy plants:

1 - do what Trick asked and make SURE your pots actually have drain holes.... from what I see in your picture they probably do but it also looks like you have the cap on the bottom of them which acts as a tray and blocks these holes.

Either way - make damn sure you either remove that cap and/or drill drain holes in those pots... the soil MUST be allowed to drain after watering.

2 - The pots look small enough so pic them up and take them into your bathroom... put them in the bathtub and SOAK THEM... I mean add water until it reaches the top of the pot, wait for it to slowly sink down in and drain out the bottom and repeat.

3 - Let the pots drain for maybe 5-10mins in the bathtub to avoid dripping water all over the place.... after, take them back and put them in your grow area.

4 - wait, pray, pace back and forth...whatever you need to do but DONT TOUCH THEM AGAIN. Based on your pot size and plant size I would guestimate these ladies dont need to be watered but maybe once every 6-7 days... so give them a few days after this.

What you WANT to see is the plant perk up (should be within a day at the most I would think) as it begins to re-hydrate and it's roots begin uptaking moisture. I am basing this on the fact that they appear to be de-hydrated and not over watered.

If they were over watered, then we didnt really help much but it's ok... just keep waiting. The plant should slowly recover without you doing a thing - but if it was caused by you over-watering then it will take longer than a day to recover...

If you do NOT see the plant perk up within 4-5 days... I'd be more concerned that they have pythium, in which case I'd start sowing some new seeds and chalk these up to experience....

Good luck bro!

BL

 

[gwiz_capo]

OKAY so the 3 that looked like shit i have determined was on account of me overwatering. i HAVE one left that i only watered 2x this week and is looking good but is still much younger than the others were. How often should i water? just twice a week? thanks!

 

[Core]

lift your pots...If it feels heavy ...don't water/feed...if its not heavy water them....

do a side by side with a waterd pot and a dry pot...if will come natural after a few waterings...