[Search] Sweet pepper aroma

[The Zientist]

Hello everyone,



Long story short, I've been a long time admirer of ACE/CBG work and along the years had many positive experiences with their genetics. (BHz, PCK, Destroyer, Kali China, Angola Verde x Malawi, Panama, to name a few)


I haven't been growing myself for several years more than I should have allowed to happen... tastes bitter but so is life.


Remained a sad assiduous lurker ever since. Still here though.



Introduction's done and back to point: that sweet sweet black pepper complex aroma!
Years ago (around 2011), going through some CBG Destroyers, I managed to stumble on a 14-15 weeker "creeping Thai" single strand fox-tailing phenotype which reeked of this beautiful complex black pepper aroma, unmatched ever since. I've had many plants, but none left such mark. It was a bit (way) too racy for my liking, specially as daily smoke, although with great potential enclosed nonetheless. In any case, that juicy aroma was never forgotten.

Such odor calls to be revisited. As so, I would like to ask Dubi and all you geeks(<3) what's the best route to take in order to find similar aromas, without being so electric/anxiety-inducing, more on the contemplative/blissful side. As a secondary trait, if it could possibly fit and be better adapted to an indoor type of setup, that would be the cherry on top.

Many thanks in advance and feel free to drop by and say hi, if there's anyone who recalls my name from other forums perhaps.

PS: I should have pictures of that Destroyer somewhere around the HDD's...

 

[YukonKronic]

Hello everyone,



Long story short, I've been a long time admirer of ACE/CBG work and along the years had many positive experiences with their genetics. (BHz, PCK, Destroyer, Kali China, Angola Verde x Malawi, Panama, to name a few)


I haven't been growing myself for several years more than I should have allowed to happen... tastes bitter but so is life.


Remained a sad assiduous lurker ever since. Still here though.



Introduction's done and back to point: that sweet sweet black pepper complex aroma!
Years ago (around 2011), going through some CBG Destroyers, I managed to stumble on a 14-15 weeker "creeping Thai" single strand fox-tailing phenotype which reeked of this beautiful complex black pepper aroma, unmatched ever since. I've had many plants, but none left such mark. It was a bit (way) too racy for my liking, specially as daily smoke, although with great potential enclosed nonetheless. In any case, that juicy aroma was never forgotten.

Such odor calls to be revisited. As so, I would like to ask Dubi and all you geeks(<3) what's the best route to take in order to find similar aromas, without being so electric/anxiety-inducing, more on the contemplative/blissful side. As a secondary trait, if it could possibly fit and be better adapted to an indoor type of setup, that would be the cherry on top.

Many thanks in advance and feel free to drop by and say hi, if there's anyone who recalls my name from other forums perhaps.

PS: I should have pictures of that Destroyer somewhere around the HDD's...

Caryophyllene is peppery... as far as I’ve seen it’s almost always associated with racy or at least very heady cerebral highs....

 

[The Hatter]

Peppery aromas are pretty rare, or at least in all my years I've only come across one real peppery smelling plant and it wasn't even the most dominant aroma.

I had a very Oxican leaning Mextiza that had an awesome lime/sprite, cedar and pepper sort of smell to it. It was however very upbeat and stimulating. It was a fast finisher and although I don't remember it exactly I'm pretty sure it was under 10 weeks. I remember that when rubbing the stem in veg the spicy pepper and pine aromas were much more prevalent than the sweeter lime smell the buds picked up later.

Thinking back on it makes me want to pop my last remaining Mextiza seeds.

 

[The Zientist]

Hi guys,

Thank you all for your contributions.

Indeed if there's a close link between the sweet black pepper aroma and being prone to raciness or anxiety-inducing it wouldn't be such a promissing wholesome scenario.

Even if that's the case, I would still be interested on continue on the hunt for such phenotypes. What ACE strains would you think to be better suiting for this kind of search?

I was under the impression this smell in particular was coming from the Thai side of Destroyer, but @The Hatter mentioned Mextiza. There's some Mexican in Destroyer... Can anyone comment further?

Kind regards

 

[YukonKronic]

I found pepper aromas in GT as well as one or two Zam phenotypes. I got mextiza from an LP once and it also was peppery... don’t know if there’s a connection to Thai weed but it wouldn’t surprise me given
Zipolites prominence in the surfing world and the way surfers travel with weeds or seeds from time to time
Maybe your destroyer had a unique combination of recessive pepper traits from Thai AND Mexican ancestors and that’s why it was so strongly evident. If it was a double recessive gene combination the trait would not pass to offspring or show up often in CBGs seedstock IMO

 

[The Hatter]

Hi guys,

Thank you all for your contributions.

Indeed if there's a close link between the sweet black pepper aroma and being prone to raciness or anxiety-inducing it wouldn't be such a promissing wholesome scenario.

Even if that's the case, I would still be interested on continue on the hunt for such phenotypes. What ACE strains would you think to be better suiting for this kind of search?

I was under the impression this smell in particular was coming from the Thai side of Destroyer, but @The Hatter mentioned Mextiza. There's some Mexican in Destroyer... Can anyone comment further?

Kind regards

Although that Mextiza was very uplifting I wouldn't describe it as anxiety inducing, but that also comes down to personal experience. What one might fun and uplifting another might find scary. Still, I have come across some truly anxiety inducing strains like the Dr. Sues pheno of Zamaldelica I once grew and Mextiza was not one of them.

Speaking of subjectivity its hard to know if what each of us is describing as spicy and peppery is even the same aroma. Next time you get a really unusual smelling strain have 4 different people take a whiff without giving them any hints as to what you think it smells like ask them to describe the aroma. I've found that often you will get radically different descriptions from everyone.

At the moment it sounds like Thai has gotten the most hits for peppery smell. GT, Destroyer and Zamaldelica all have Thai roots. Mexican genetics also have made an appearance with Destroyer and Mextiza.

If Caryophyllene is indeed the culprit behind peppery strains you might want to look through the terp tests results Ace publishes for many of their strains and see which ones have it.

 

[SolarLogos]

The caryophyllene would actually be relaxing, according to what I found in some articles online. Again, everyone is different. Sorry no citation, I found this a while back.

In short, specific compounds within peppercorn — specifically, caryophyllene — is a “high-potency selective CB2 agonist,” meaning it helps deliver the more relaxing, anxiety-relieving effects of THC. So it doesn’t necessarily “block” the THC from getting all up in your brain. More accurately, it pulls a kind of lever to increase the sedating effects of THC, rather than the psychological effects.
BETA-CARYOPHYLLENE
BCP is found in numerous plants throughout nature, including hops, black pepper, rosemary, and of course, cannabis. So what is so special about this particular terpene? Well, it turns out that BCP isn’t just any old terpene, it has also been found to play the role of a cannabinoid, too.
In playing this role, BCP is capable of interacting with some of the receptor sites that comprise the endocannabinoid system.
The main cannabinoid pathways within the endocannabinoid system are the CB1 and CB2 receptors. Cannabinoids such as THC activate both of these receptor sites, and the outcome is a psychoactive high.
BCP, on the other hand, only targets the CB2 receptor. This means that BCP does not produce a psychoactive effect.


Peace, God bless

 

[SolarLogos]

The caryophyllene would actually be relaxing, according to what I found in some articles online. Again, everyone is different. Sorry no citation, I found this a while back.

In short, specific compounds within peppercorn — specifically, caryophyllene — is a “high-potency selective CB2 agonist,” meaning it helps deliver the more relaxing, anxiety-relieving effects of THC. So it doesn’t necessarily “block” the THC from getting all up in your brain. More accurately, it pulls a kind of lever to increase the sedating effects of THC, rather than the psychological effects.
BETA-CARYOPHYLLENE
BCP is found in numerous plants throughout nature, including hops, black pepper, rosemary, and of course, cannabis. So what is so special about this particular terpene? Well, it turns out that BCP isn’t just any old terpene, it has also been found to play the role of a cannabinoid, too.
In playing this role, BCP is capable of interacting with some of the receptor sites that comprise the endocannabinoid system.
The main cannabinoid pathways within the endocannabinoid system are the CB1 and CB2 receptors. Cannabinoids such as THC activate both of these receptor sites, and the outcome is a psychoactive high.
BCP, on the other hand, only targets the CB2 receptor. This means that BCP does not produce a psychoactive effect.


Peace, God bless

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I take from this is that caryophyllene does not interfere with the uptake or effects of thc, but rather adds a relaxing effect, by targeting only the CB2 receptor, so not interfering with the thc targeting CB1 receptor.
Peace, God bless

 

[The Zientist]

Although that Mextiza was very uplifting I wouldn't describe it as anxiety inducing, but that also comes down to personal experience. What one might fun and uplifting another might find scary. Still, I have come across some truly anxiety inducing strains like the Dr. Sues pheno of Zamaldelica I once grew and Mextiza was not one of them.

Speaking of subjectivity its hard to know if what each of us is describing as spicy and peppery is even the same aroma. Next time you get a really unusual smelling strain have 4 different people take a whiff without giving them any hints as to what you think it smells like ask them to describe the aroma. I've found that often you will get radically different descriptions from everyone.

At the moment it sounds like Thai has gotten the most hits for peppery smell. GT, Destroyer and Zamaldelica all have Thai roots. Mexican genetics also have made an appearance with Destroyer and Mextiza.

If Caryophyllene is indeed the culprit behind peppery strains you might want to look through the terp tests results Ace publishes for many of their strains and see which ones have it.

The uplifting part is desirable, it's just the roller-coaster effect not being a trait with top priority. Although I do enjoy it sometimes, it's best reserved as a stash for particular occasions, not something I would come back to on a more regular basis.




That is a nice point there in regards to subjectivity. Several of my friends, even those that are not into smoking and their partners, got to sniff the dried bud of that Destroyer. The reports where more mixed at the time than just black pepper, but from what I can recall, besides sweet pepper, some said "cake-ish", others nutmeg.



I've grown more attentive to these details nowadays, from all the cumulative experiences. The wish I had frozen a sample just to give it another report lingers, or at least saved some notes on that topic. Well...

 

[The Zientist]

The caryophyllene would actually be relaxing, according to what I found in some articles online. Again, everyone is different. Sorry no citation, I found this a while back.

In short, specific compounds within peppercorn — specifically, caryophyllene — is a “high-potency selective CB2 agonist,” meaning it helps deliver the more relaxing, anxiety-relieving effects of THC. So it doesn’t necessarily “block” the THC from getting all up in your brain. More accurately, it pulls a kind of lever to increase the sedating effects of THC, rather than the psychological effects.
BETA-CARYOPHYLLENE
BCP is found in numerous plants throughout nature, including hops, black pepper, rosemary, and of course, cannabis. So what is so special about this particular terpene? Well, it turns out that BCP isn’t just any old terpene, it has also been found to play the role of a cannabinoid, too.
In playing this role, BCP is capable of interacting with some of the receptor sites that comprise the endocannabinoid system.
The main cannabinoid pathways within the endocannabinoid system are the CB1 and CB2 receptors. Cannabinoids such as THC activate both of these receptor sites, and the outcome is a psychoactive high.
BCP, on the other hand, only targets the CB2 receptor. This means that BCP does not produce a psychoactive effect.


Peace, God bless

I'll look into that. Seems like some conflicting information, perhaps due to the synergistic effect of other terpenes. Thanks for the brainfood pal.

As a token of appreciation (jk) I went through my old hdds, trying to find out some pictures of the Destroyer that fueled this quest. Took me a while, but here are some.

At the time of the picture she had been flowering for 98 days.

 

[SolarLogos]

I'll look into that. Seems like some conflicting information, perhaps due to the synergistic effect of other terpenes. Thanks for the brainfood pal.

As a token of appreciation (jk) I went through my old hdds, trying to find out some pictures of the Destroyer that fueled this quest. Took me a while, but here are some.

At the time of the picture she had been flowering for 98 days.

That destroyer looks great, it would be hard not to keep a mother of her around a few years. I've got a couple different Thai going now. I've been looking into the caryophyllene and will try to make time to do so again. I would like a nice, relaxing, dreamy, potent, trippy high without the speediness, but without the sedating effects either, just for an evening smoke.
Peace, God bless

 

[Headbandf1]

There are Phenos of Jack Herer that are very Black Peppery

 

[The Zientist]

That destroyer looks great, it would be hard not to keep a mother of her around a few years. I've got a couple different Thai going now. I've been looking into the caryophyllene and will try to make time to do so again. I would like a nice, relaxing, dreamy, potent, trippy high without the speediness, but without the sedating effects either, just for an evening smoke.
Peace, God bless

As far as the high goes, it's similar to what I'm aiming for. More bliss and less the restlessness I associate with some varieties.





Good luck on your search.


I've been keeping an eye on Thai Chi since it was first released. Perhaps it's a good direction to take on both the sweet pepper aroma and the blissful high.

Bellow, a picture of an early bud sample from the Destroyer, taken some weeks before harvesting.

 

[The Zientist]

(bellow)

 

[The Zientist]

I must be too sober.

 

[The Zientist]

Found some more, after being taken out of the flowering room and all the branch support it was having. At 14-15weeks, before harvest.

 

[dubi]

Hi The Zientist,

Thanks for your interest in our work, glad to know you have had good experiences with our strains

As you corrently pointed out, Thai and Thai dominant hybrids are a very good choice if you are looking for sweet and black pepper terpenes.

Black pepper terpenes can be found in many pure tropical sativas (old colombians like Oldtimer's Haze, africans, south indians, etc ....) although most of these peppery tropical sativas are woodier than sweeter.

As we commented previously via emails, if you are looking for strains with black pepper aromas, then we would recommend you mainly Oldtimer's Haze and hybrids, Nevil's Haze hybrids, Thai and Thai hybrids and african sativa hybrids. Strains like Bangi Haze x Ethiopian, Ethiopia x Malawi, Green Honduras Haze, Haze x Kali China, Honduras, Mauritius x Ethiopian, Purple Haze x Malawi, Purple Honduras Haze, Super Malawi Haze, Thai Chi and Zamal Bliss, or similar strains from the R+D section of our website.

Hope it helps!

 

[The Zientist]

Hi The Zientist,

Thanks for your interest in our work, glad to know you have had good experiences with our strains

As you corrently pointed out, Thai and Thai dominant hybrids are a very good choice if you are looking for sweet and black pepper terpenes.

Black pepper terpenes can be found in many pure tropical sativas (old colombians like Oldtimer's Haze, africans, south indians, etc ....) although most of these peppery tropical sativas are woodier than sweeter.

As we commented previously via emails, if you are looking for strains with black pepper aromas, then we would recommend you mainly Oldtimer's Haze and hybrids, Nevil's Haze hybrids, Thai and Thai hybrids and african sativa hybrids. Strains like Bangi Haze x Ethiopian, Ethiopia x Malawi, Green Honduras Haze, Haze x Kali China, Honduras, Mauritius x Ethiopian, Purple Haze x Malawi, Purple Honduras Haze, Super Malawi Haze, Thai Chi and Zamal Bliss, or similar strains from the R+D section of our website.

Hope it helps!

Thank you for all the support Dubi. For both the carefully addressed answers and for the information you selected and presented alike.

Much respect.