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Sealed system design...

Mrzane

New member
Hi all,

I am looking for some feedback regarding a sealed system design preferably from people who are experienced in this area...

I have an internal space of which I can fit an insulated and air tight sealed 8m x 6.5m x 2.5 high box within of which is a floor space of 52 square metres or 130 cubic metres

I have been in contact with an air conditioning guy that I know well for him to do a calculation based on 42 x 600W lights of which will be pretty much bang on 1 x 600W per square metre of grow area. He has calculated that a 130K BTU or 10.83 tons. He is currently designing an air sock of which will go round the outside of the top of the box and snake across the top also.

The ballasts will be digital and sit on top of the box roof and there will be 3 x thermostats of which will break the coils of the contactors should the temperature exceed 32 degrees centigrade

The lights will be fixed to 7 x steel catenary wires of which will be fixed at 1.5m from the floor each catenary wire will contain 6 x 600W lights

The floor of the box will have a huge pond liner on it of which will contain as many plants as possible (autos) as a sea of green in 10L pots using coco. They will be bottom flooded (I have tried this technique a few times and it works very well) The mix will be pumped in from outside the box

So the lights will be fixed at 1.5m of which will give me a 1m space above...

Within this 1m space there will be the air cons internal box of which the air socks come out of and 3 x 12" fans with 1m carbon filters to scrub the air and force the air around

On the ground level around the big pond liner there will be lots of oscillating fans

On the ground level at around canopy height I will have 2 x 120L a day dehumidifiers and a large humidifier all with there own humidity stats

As for the co2 I am planning on having 4 x 32kg canisters each with there own regulator being controlled by one controller (outside) with a Solid State NDIR sensor at around canopy height. Each regulator will deliver 17 litres of co2 a minute so will total 68 litres a minute. I am planning on putting the 4 x evenly spaced co2 pipes above the lights so the co2 falls and is then forced around by the fans.

Ideally I want to be able to change the 4 x 32kg co2 cylinders once a month and am planning on getting 8 of them so when they run out I can put 4 new ones on as I get the other 4 refilled. Does anyone have any idea how long the co2 might last?

I have a device I have made of which I am testing now that sends me an sms (text) message if the ppms exceed 1500ppms or drop below 800ppms. This should mean when the co2 runs out I will know about it...

Because I am doing autos the lights will be on 18 or 20 hours per 24 from start to finish.

If I put the split seeds straight into the 10L coco pots as I have done before I am not sure if they will be able to take this level of potential punishment in a closed environment?

I am hoping to run it at 1300ppms of co2 from start to finish? Or should I lower the ppms at the start?

any advice welcomed!

Thanks
 

Mrzane

New member
You got it.

Put the seeds in cups first then transplant when they are fully rooted.

1300 is good.

Your very sure I wont be able to put the germinated seeds straight into the 10l pots if I lower the ppms or turn off half the lights maybe?

Its the way ive allways done it in an air exchange system...
 

Mrzane

New member
im kind of guessing the dehumidifier sizings i.e 120L a day x 2 is overkill?

Also will I actually need the humidifier if ive got the lights on 20 hours a day?..
 

Dognponyshow

Active member
You will always need a dehumidifier when running that many plants unless you have 4x exchange airflow, which you won't. I recommend picking up the (2) 120lpd dehueys.
 

Mrzane

New member
ok cool the 2 x 120L Dehumidifiers are cool even if they are overkill (Ive got nothing to compare against)

But do I need a humidifier i.e a big misting machine?
 

Dognponyshow

Active member
Depends on your climate but typically no. If you are in a less than 20 percent rh than yes... Otherwise your plants will provide the 30percent minimum necessary for your needs. The good thing about the multiple dehueys is the even saturation rate of moisture and the potential to upgrade.
 

Mikell

Dipshit Know-Nothing
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Veteran
If you can get bigger tanks or build a manifold it will cut down on investment cost. There is no need to spread everything out with 4 injectors, CO2 doesn't settle and mixes with the environment very quickly. Even with zero air movement, the amount of settling would be negligible.
 

Mrzane

New member
If you can get bigger tanks or build a manifold it will cut down on investment cost. There is no need to spread everything out with 4 injectors, CO2 doesn't settle and mixes with the environment very quickly. Even with zero air movement, the amount of settling would be negligible.

The reason there would be 4 x points of entry for the co2 is because im going to have 4 x 32KG tanks with a solenoid on each tank all controlled by one controller...

How long do you think 4 x bottles of 32kg co2 might last at say 900 - 1300 ppms?
 

Mrzane

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Mikell

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ICMag Donor
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The reason there would be 4 x points of entry for the co2 is because im going to have 4 x 32KG tanks with a solenoid on each tank all controlled by one controller...

How long do you think 4 x bottles of 32kg co2 might last at say 900 - 1300 ppms?

Ahhh, I missed that. Ignore away hehe. Can't help much, never used a bottle.
 

Granger2

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It's sealed pretty well, but I doubt that it's 100%. When I open the door there is a bit of suction resistance. -granger
 
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