Sea Solids make plants EXPLODE in hydro!!

[osirica420]

Kudos to whatever for bring some science and actual information to this thread, as opposed to the constant "you're a moron do your research" from the religious believer of some dead guy. Just another case of someone finding something that they think makes them special and they have to get defensive when reality shows they aren't.

Ya ok lol.... thanks for that joke clown..

I think its more of the fact that I have heavily researched and tested and proved the doctors work as actual FACTUAL information to MYSELF and not to everyone else. I am not here to make believers. I just show what can be done. I could post more info there is tons if thats whats really wanted..

This thread has already enlightened quite a few people that plants can be grown with sea salt ALONE especially hierloom strains..

And soon quite a large test is going to confirm the differences of growth...


Below is a breakdown of wheatgrass grown in sea minerals...
http://www.oceangrown.com/images/pdf/WheatGrassElementalAnalysisAppendix.pdf
Anaylsis has been done by Florida Gulf Coast University .... www.fgcu.edu - Credible Enough for you?

For starters Whatever find me wheatgrass with similar elemental makeup but grown with NPK based nutes.. You will not be able to. LOL

Wikipedia even says the ocean has nearly every element...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_oceanography

Chemical oceanography is the study of the behavior of the chemical elements within the Earth's oceans. The ocean is unique in that it contains - in greater or lesser quantities - nearly every element in the periodic table.

Chemical oceanography is concerned with the study of the dissolved elements in sea water and the ocean's numerous chemical and biochemical cycles. Topics of study include the origin and evolution of sea water, the origin of the sediment that covers the seafloor, the relationships between the myriad of chemical constituents of sea water, and the significance of changes in ocean chemistry (i.e., the influence of changing geology, including biological activity, and human-induced pollution).

Every book on this subject supports that fact that the ocean has all 90+ elements within it ... LOOK FOR YOURSELF!

Below is another test done by a real facility....
http://www.ocean-grown.com/1AminoAcidAssay.pdf


I will continue to post more links here:

http://liquidminerals.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/seawater_analysis.jpg

 

[Whatever]

Thanx Gregor and Sirius

I don't remember saying the products being touted in this thread have no value. That would be stupid because as has been highlighted here, and which I knew previously, there is an increased trace mineral content and improved nutritional profile when small amounts of seawater, or reconstituted natural whole sea salt, is applied. It's been proven that agricultural crops grown near the ocean and near evaporation beds, such as those on the Brittany coast that produce Celtic salt, are higher in trace minerals and are more nutritious. This part of the discussion is a moot point.

I'm now an organic soil grower and my trace minerals come from a variety of sources, one of which is kelp and kelp extract. In addition to the trace minerals kelp products also contain vital compounds such as hormones. A potential problem with kelp extracts is a high heavy metal content, such as arsenic, but virtually all of what's in there is in an organic form. I also use glacial rock dust and prefer a little of this and some of that...variety for my plants just like my diet. I don't feel the addition of sea salt to my current program will add much if anything at all.

Part of the problem I see with products manufacturers tout is the baseline they use is a pretty poor start. No wonder some products look so good. I'm just waiting for established canna growers, especially hydro peeps, to incorporate sea salt products into their program but am not gonna hold my breath considering how many years this knowledge has been in public domain. I wonder why a company like AN has not picked up on sea salt yet? Maybe they have but I'm not aware of it as I'm not really familiar with their line.

The thing that I find interesting is a company such as that based in Australia supposedly offering some type of fancy concentrate has no analytical data posted on their website nor have they forwarded anything to me upon request. Why not? What can't they prove their product is what they say it is? I haven't seen one company supposedly offering a 'special' seawater/salt product make such information available either openly publicly or by request to me personally. Seems like a simple thing to ask of a manufacturer/distributor of a product. The lack of such information does not mean the products are worthless though.

As for the link to ocean-grown.com website...I noticed they used Woodson Tenent for analytical work. It's been awhile since using them but did rely on them for awhile for certain work on a project.

As for my knowledge of sea salt (the variety of sources, production methods, compositional profile, etc.) before discovering this thread...lol...I could get into details but that would hit a bit close to home. Not a biggie actually as now I just fiddle with canna as a qualified med grower.

Last but not least he comes on this thread talkin about ORMUS something people know absolutely nothing about an completly OFF-topic.

It's totally on topic because the discussion expands on the product initially mentioned in this thread.

 

[osirica420]

please show us the way home then big dog....

I bring you facts nothing else.....

the extraction process i speak of works.. its fact..

And if i wanted this thread to be about ormus I would of been mentioned it, its untreaded territory, as i
am well aware... If you would like to start a your on thread on it go ahead please do not discuss here...


Below is a breakdown of wheatgrass grown in sea water and a breakdown of sea waters...
http://www.oceangrown.com/images/pd...sisAppendix.pdf
Analysis has been done by Florida Gulf Coast University .... www.fgcu.edu - Credible Enough for you?

Concentrated seawater will contain more elements then dried sea minerals..

The trace elements of sea water should not be underestimated. For example, there is more gold in a ton of sea water than in a ton of good to average gold ore.

These guys have posted a analysis of their solution done by a credible college?? not good enough for you...?

 

[Whatever]

As I've already stated I'm not contesting the issue regarding the trace mineral content of plants grown using a sea water/salt product or virtually any trace mineral amendment for that matter. Up to this point I prefer glacial rock dust or Azomite but that's just me although in hydro those products would not work. Interesting thing I did find on the Ocean Grown site is the plants only showed an absorption of 60 elements from their product.

Sure universities do good work but I prefer to use commercial labs. Sometimes universities and research oriented organizations can offer analytical work that commercial labs don't...mostly leading edge stuff. Potential problem though is may not yet be industry accepted like an AOAC or USP method is. It was cool when I got a chance to work with Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute. There's another university I've worked with recently but can't mention their name as it would reveal too much for my level of comfort. I have no doubt the analysis done by FGCU is credible. I'm sure plants grown using glacial rock dust or Azomite would also show a nice trace mineral profile especially when using recycled soil or if given a few years to work such as in an orchard.

What I do take issue with is a company making claims about a 'special' salt product, such as a product super concentrated in trace minerals produced by some 'special' process, and can not or is not willing to offer credible data to prove their claims. Or their selling a whole sea salt like SEA-90 and try and put some special twist on it, or people interpret it that way and it's really no different than Celtic salt. I'm guessing the potential issue with SEA-90 is it might not be food grade. It sure is cheaper than the Celtic stuff.

Based on my research so far, and intuition, there seems to be something a bit different with the Sea Crop product but could be totally mistaken. Wish I had some extra cash to throw it into a lab and tear it apart. It's one of those deals where if you ask questions the response will be 'It's proprietary'. Could be legit and could be snake oil. The microscopy work should show some hint of it's potential value in a well dialed in organic program using recycled soil. If the bacteria and fungus respond well with this baseline then I'll give it a thumbs up.

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

HMMMM, you requested info and they did not send anything? Did you get any response from them?

 

[Whatever]

HMMMM, you requested info and they did not send anything? Did you get any response from them?

2 different companies selling what seems a very similar, if not identical, product and no response yet from either. I'll give em more time and ask again.

 

[Whatever]

please show us the way home then big dog....

I'm on a different, but not saying better, path with my growing. This is your show and interested to see how it shakes out for ya. Someone has to pick the ball up and run with projects like this and in the long run research like this benefits the community as a whole. Nice to see people dedicating 'valuable' grow space, time energy and money by thinking and working outside the box.

Good luck!

 

[osirica420]

All my words still stand..

Just because you don't like the product or company it has nothing to do with the fact that:

Seawater has every element in it depending on where you are at, what time and
what type of way your testing the sample and how it was obtained.....
And even if some of the elements are ppb they are still there and no where else..

Its also fact Marijuana love sea minerals! My plants eat ALOT!
She can grow off them alone, even better with NPK..

Another fact is that alot of sodium could be removed from the minerals if a person wanted to do so, Someone could also concentrate it...
The doc stressed the importance of the sodium since the element attach themselves to it allowing a greater uptake of minerals...

himalayan salt with minerals surrounding it..


sea salt with minerals around it...


regular sodium crystals(table salt) with no minerals..



Azomite and RockDust are not in a readily available inorganic state like sea minerals..
They also don't have ideal ratios of elements like sea minerals..
Also not soluble in water...

Happy Growing!

 

[lilo]

2 different companies selling what seems a very similar, if not identical, product and no response yet from either. I'll give em more time and ask again.

They repliy to order inquires the same day usualy. And they were not interested in any research on this stuff (however mentioned in my mail9 all they wanted from me was money. That actualy pissed me off.

 

[Sirius]

And they were not interested in any research on this stuff (however mentioned in my mail9 all they wanted from me was money. That actualy pissed me off.

Talk about a scam.

 

[osirica420]

They were happy to speak to me...

I called them (few companies selling sea minerals) over a year ago talking to them about this...

Writing emails sucks..

Sea Minerals are quite far from a scam.. My plants are packing it on now!

So quick to label something a scam and don't know anything about it...

Just More Ignorance from the Mainstream....

Only 2 weeks til i can start the test..

We will see how many negative comments then..

I already got a idea of the outcome, just cuz i have been messing around with
the feeding of the bigger plants. I just want to wait til I test the clones
before i say anything...

I just upgraded to 3kwatts all in cool tubes with a full intake/exhaust they
should be real happy now, temps 75deg ...

 

[Whatever]

Azomite and RockDust are not in a readily available inorganic state like sea minerals..They also don't have ideal ratios of elements like sea minerals..
Also not soluble in water...

To some extent...no shit. I already said rock materials are not good in hydro. In soil the bacteria and fungi will break the stuff down and convert to a form the plants can use. I also basically said their effectiveness increases over time. In a healthy, dynamic, vibrant soil environment this process occurs much faster. In fact bacteria LOVE trace minerals and their addition will help the micropopulation. This is the way nature has been doing it for millions of years and seems to work just fine. As for the 'ideal' ratio...the Ocean Grown website even stated the test showed only 60 minerals/elements were absorbed so of what value are the rest? Did they absorb in the exact ratio in the sea product applied? Glacial rock dust and Azomite work fantastic.

And they were not interested in any research on this stuff (however mentioned in my mail all they wanted from me was money.

I never mentioned anything about research to them. I said I was interested in their product and wanted some simple information any manufacturer touting a product should be able to supply. There's so much bullshit surrounding products. I have not seen one shred of proof...yet. When a manufacturer won't stand behind their claims, especially something so basic as a fairly inexpensive analysis, it throws up a HUGE red flag...for me anyway. I would think if a manufacturer is selling something they would have tested it to know what they are selling so just show it. I mean jeez. They told you they only wanted money (?)...LOL.

I called them (few companies selling sea minerals) over a year ago talking to them about this...

Anybody can say anything. I'm just amazed after all these years no one from any of these companies has offered an analysis.

Sea Minerals are quite far from a scam.. My plants are packing it on now! So quick to label something a scam and don't know anything about it...

The scam Sirius mentioned is not necessarily that the products don't work.

 

[osirica420]

there is no scam period...

There are so many variabilities that go into these "test"...

If you google it you will find over 30 breakdowns all from different sources...

Its fact the ocean contains every element in a certain ratio, it will drop out certain minerals that get too high in ppm... Intelligent water...

A significant feature of sea water is that while the total concentration of dissolved salts varies from place to place, the ratios of the more abundant components remain almost constant. This 'law' of constant proportions was discovered by Dittmar (1884) based on 77 samples of sea water collected from around the world by the Challenger Expedition, and confirmed a hypothesis first conceived by Forchhammer (1865).

Metal bicarbonates such as magnesium bicarbonate and calcium bicarbonate will only form in the natural aqueous, alkaline state of the ocean. These mineral combinations do not occur in solid or dry form.

Sea-90 being dried
Sea Crop being liquid

 

[osirica420]

Here is one of my Endless Skys 3 weeks in..Starting to Flower Heavy, Smell Real Heady..Fastest Strain in the room 55 day flowerer!
She is at 3500ppm consisting of PBP , Oragana Guano(0-2-0) Great Shit!!, and of course Sea Minerals..

 

[osirica420]

Endless Sky ...at 4 weeks







Sweet Tooth and others...buds are everywhere!

 

[greenatik]

i congratulate you on doing this experiment and was irritated that I had to sift through all these nonsense replies. people bashing for you taking the time to experiment. you are showing growth with only sea salts and not a brand name NPK nute.

if you guys wanna argue and throw links around start a thread - sea salt discussion - i just want to see your plants, which look extremely healthy by the way

the phytoplankton was an interesting read though, the oceans have a lot to offer, and to think that we have only barely scratched the surface of it

 

[est1977]

im definately going to have to give this a try soon

 

[sunnydog]

Cheers on your expreiments!
I have been watching this for a while now,since the thread over at Rez's.
My only "issue" with this "experiment" is you seem to have a conclusion already decided on (sea salt is superior), and now are trying to collect data to support this predrawn conclusion (not really science, IMHO).
That is what religions do.
Hope this stuff works for you!
I'll be watching.

 

[stealthballer]

maybe if the original poster was more open to other's opinions rather than arrogantly dismissing them as ignorant I mighta gave a damn about the thread.

FYI I have been using water from my salt water tanks for years as a supplemental nutrient, too bad I am far more ignorant than the OP someday perhaps I will reach his status.

 

[osirica420]

Thx for replys..

All I can say is that i have definitely done my homework and believe in it...
I see things alot differently then many others, not better/higher status in anyway...










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