Sea Solids make plants EXPLODE in hydro!!

[Whatever]

whatever: i have read about that ormus stuff its all theory lets stick to the facts...i am sure it does something but no one can tell u...

The fact is it's an Ormus product...you need to do better research. The company, Ambrosia Technology, offers the product for human consumption as...you guessed it...an Ormus product. Here's a quote from their other website www.liquid-chi.com

WHAT IS IT......ORME or ORMUS has only recently been recognized as a fourth state of matter over and above solid, liquid and gas.

WHAT WILL IT DO?......Think of each of the cells of your body as a tired drained battery that can be recharged and rejuvenated by the elemental life force released by ORMUS Concentrate Products.

As for it being an evaporated product I'd like to know how you discovered that because the manufacturer is not gonna to tell you how they make it. FYI...salt will drop out of solution when the concentration is over 26% so when you are continually evaporating the water out the salt will start to crystallize and drop out but there is still liquid left and any liquid will always be 26% NaCl so how do they offer a liquid that's only about 2.5% NaCl...eh? ANY liquid in an evaporation process with sewater will be always be about 26% NaCl.

it can be found in Sea-Minerals too..

Sure it can be found in Sea Minerals and I said that before:

You can also concentrate Ormus from dried salt.

...but Sea Crop is a concentrated Ormus product. I'm gonna go with what the manufacturer states about their own product.

 

[osirica420]

Not to be disrespectful Whatever but your quite ignorant...

there is only 34 known ORME elements...

It says on the site that in thier solution there is 84+ minerals its quite obvious they aren't speaking about ormus..

"SEA-CROP concentrate is a soil and plant stimulant containing over 80 natural source minerals and active organic substances from deep sea Pacific Ocean water."

I know of the process because i read alot of the doctor and his "disciples" work.. The end solution per gallon shall always weigh 3-4 times more the weight of a regular gallon of seawater because of the minerals thats how you know you have done it correctly.. 100 gallons into 1 at that ratio...

I have been ingesting ormus for over a year now and it gives me energy and a stronger concentration power, and adds vital minerals to my diet...As far as people explaining what it really does they are far from...

This thread is not about Ormus its about the 90+ minerals in the ocean that could be used for the growth of plants and human health..

 

[Whatever]

You're not being disrespectful but definitely don't consider myself ignorant. You're right, this thread is not about Ormus but one of the products you highlight here is Sea Crop. I have no interest in the other products but Sea Crop caught my eye. I've heard of it before but followed through this time. The agricultural product is basically the same as human product except for a difference in sterilization. I wanted to know more about SC since they said it was a concentrate which the manufacturer itself says is an Ormus concentrate. It's in black and white. Not knowing all the details I can only attempt to fill some of the missing pieces and possibly the human product goes through another step or two other than sterilization but doubt it and highly doubt it's made through evaporation either. They made a very wise move in marketing their Sea Crop as an agricultural product, which is organic certified, cause that approach will definitely appeal to the masses and farmers and lay people can relate to a mineral product but would laugh at an energy product.

As for sea salt I'd like to see an analysis showing 80+ minerals. I've been involved in the health food industry for over 15 years mainly in product research and development and have extensive experience with analytical methods and process technology such as drying, extraction, basic chemistry, chemical production, etc. I've yet to see a salt analysis that shows over about 72 minerals and have personally tested numerous samples at numerous labs. I'm very familiar with the Himalayan salt and can't say more than that. I say bullshit to any company that claims over 80 minerals as I have not seen that on any analysis but not saying all their claims are invalid. You said 90+ minerals...you're dreaming.

While familiar with Ormus I'm definitely not an expert. I've taken a bunch myself. I had a friend build a creek trap based on neodymium magnets and he also makes his own Ormus using such things as dried sea salt.

Anyway...I'm gonna have a friend experiment with Sea Crop as I definitely think there's value in it's use but we'll see. He has over 30 years experience dealing with cannabis and if he says it works, cause his program is pretty much perfectly dialed in and has a great baseline to start with, then I'm convinced. I'd love to send a sample to a lab for a complete breakdown but have better things to spend my money on at this point.

EDIT - you keep on talking about all these minerals...lol. If you look at a sea salt analysis minerals that potentially could be there are not detectable and I'm talking down to a part per billion level. Quite a few are at the parts per billion level with many being so low for all practical purposes related to growing they have no real value except as a label claim.

Have fun with your thread and happy growing.

 

[osirica420]

As I stated quite ignorant keep researching..
I don't speak out my ass..

Where on the site does it advertise ORMUS??
It says something about ormus on one part of the site and it does not
advertise that at ALL!!!!!! check for yourself click below
http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&h...&hs=Kc8&q=site:sea-crop.com+Ormus&btnG=Search
or
search this on google .. site:sea-crop.com ormus

Below is how you make a sea mineral concentrate... that has readily available
"ORMUS" within it if thats what your reffering to...

A concentrated sea-mineral solution has every mineral under the sun, no
other solution made by man you can say the same about..


Here is just 3 of many Breakdowns of seawater i have seen that have had 75+ minerals..
http://seaagri.com/DetailedCompositionofSeawater.pdf
http://www.curezone.com/foods/salt/80_elements_dicovered_in_sea_wat.htm
http://www.curezone.com/foods/salt/Celtic_Sea_Salt_Analysis.asp
references for the other 2 are listed on the site...
(Analysis performed by Western Analysis, Inc. for The Grain & Salt Society®.
For verification: Western Analysis, Inc. 2417 South 2700 West Salt Lake City,
UT 84119 (801)973-9238 Fax (801) 973-7635)

Unrefined sea salt contain 98.0 % NaCl (sodium-chloride) and up to 2.0%
other minerals (salts) : Epsom salts and other Magnesium salts, Calcium
salts, Potassium (Kalium) salts, Manganese salts, Phosphorus salts, Iodine
salts, .. all together over 100 minerals composed of 80 chemical elements...
Composition of crystal of ocean salt is so complicated that no laboratory in
the world can produce it from its basic 80 chemical elements.
Nature is still better chemist than people.


Above pdf is not even concentrate just regular seawater. Concentrate would
obviously have way more, and even if there is a tiny amount of a certain one
element its there and therefor a reason in that amount as nature does
not make mistakes, all it takes for some plants is 1 ppb of a certain element
to activate a certain enzyme or chemical reaction.. i have seen multiple
breakdowns of seawater it has all known elements plus ones scientist are not
so sure of yet.


Ocean water is the only natural solution that contains every naturally
occurring mineral both macro and trace in viable and life sustaining levels.
There is no man made chemical compound that has the range, balance and
concentration of elements that are found in ocean water. Nothing comes
even close!


Recognizing this decades ago Gerry Amena started harvesting the oceans for
the wealth of minerals that she offers. Pure Pacific Ocean water is gathered
of the coast of Queensland Australia where it is allowed to slowly reduce to a
1% solution. It takes an amazing 100 gallons of ocean water to make just 1
Gallon of Sea Minerals.


In a guarded location ocean water is gathered and over a number of months
undergoes a number of evaporative processes in purposely designed ponds.
Our factory is nature and the only source of energy comes from the wind and
the sun.


Through this patient process ocean water slowly concentrates. It is during
this stage that naturally occurring high levels of sodium precipitate out of
solution (drop out in crystalline form) and is gently removed leaving behind a
super concentrated ocean water solution that is remarkably low in sodium.


Balance is maintained by allowing nature to do its own work. As any one
element reaches a certain density predefined by nature it will naturally drop
out to ensure balance.


During this exhaustive process the sea minerals are constantly monitored to
ensure quality. The Sea Minerals are then prepared for shipping to our
Agricultural customers or sent to our facility to undergo our final process
before it is distributed around the world as a food or supplement ingredient.


The end result is a dense liquid solution chocked full of the goodness of
nature and the ocean. They are so rich in minerals that Sea Minerals weighs
a third more than ocean water.




To make a ORMUS concentrate it involves raising the ph to over 13 of a
strong seasalt solution for a period of time and the elements will fall out, to
redissolve back into water use any acid..

 

[Brother_Monk]

Well.....that was one of the quickest experiments I've ever been part of. The only difference between the two, was the sea solids added to the one on the right. I was really hoping for something extraordinary too.

Until I see more results, I'm not playing in this sandbox again.

 

[B.C.]

hhmmm...

hhmmm...

Hey Monk, I was wonderin if ya could give us a closer shot of the affected plant? In yer opinion, does it look like the plant has went through reverse osmosis ? Leaf edges rolled in on itself, maybe the claw affect as well ? other signs may be crinkled leaves that are real dry to the touch, ( because they have had the water sucked out of em ). It's hard ta tell from the picture, but the profile of the plant from that distance looks highly suspiscous of RO. Thanks, BC

 

[lilo]

Hei BM, sorry for the lost plant. The price to pay fr finding the truth. Any info on EC value of the feed you gave them? Thanks mate for the honest report.

 

[lilo]

Hey BC what do you mean when you say plant has gone through RO?

 

[osirica420]

obviously he did something wrong.. i grow plants with sea-minerals all the time

weed
tomatoes
watermelon
wheatgrass

not all in hydro either half are soil in pots..
so not sure what you did dude but you obviously did something wrong..

My plants are healthy as can be so you def did something wrong!

Both containers are 8L. The control bucket has just FFOF, with no added amendments yet. The Sea Solids bucket, has 2Tbsp of the experimental material added.

EDit: I figured it out BrotherMonk you used too much... You said you used
8liter containers that is equal to 2 gallons of soil the directions specifically state..

"One tablespoon SEA-90 per three gallons of soil mix. "

And you put a tablespoon per gallon over twice as much as you were suppose
to, you overdid it on the seaminerals!

And as it states on site a error that large will result in DEAD PLANTS....

Next time if there is a next time keep it alot lighter at first maybe just pour
sea-mineral teas that way you can't mess up measurements!

My experiement will go well all the way thru so we can distinguish the differences in final product as well as growth rates..

I have 170 clones going outside and as soon as i am done with that I will start the tests..
I am feeding my outdoor clones sea-mineral teas and i assure you they don't look like BrotherMonks sorry to put you on the spot...

I am def not having any problems over here just a bit Overgrown!
Some plants are 6 feet high bushes (bucket included) and growing....

Two weeks into flower and i have buds sites popping out everywhere going to
raise the amount of sea-minerals today!!

 

[B.C.]

RO

RO

Hey BC what do you mean when you say plant has gone through RO?

A plant will reverse it's water flow ( or osmosis ) when dealing with too much salt, it tries ta flush itself of the salt by pushing water back out and away from the roots. It's really a last ditch effort by the plant ta save itself. Most plants die if things have went this far, it dehydrates em very quickly. Hopefully, Monk will throw us up a close up shot, so everyone can see what a plant looks like when it goes through this and learn from it.... This is still a great thread tho, Osirica has done a wonderfull job with it. Thank you for sharing! Take care... BC

 

[Brother_Monk]

That's what I get for not reading the directions carefully. I'll get more shots up later when the lights come on. I have another SFV clone, that I'm gunna retry this little experiment with. It's at about the same growth as the dying one. This time, I'm only using 2/3 tbsp for the 2gal pot.

 

[lilo]

thanks bc!
god luck brother monk!

 

[Brother_Monk]

Emptied and washed out the old medium. Replaced with fresh clone, and mixed in 2/3 tbsp of sea solids. This clone is a little behind the control, but should catch up quick once the roots stretch out a little.

Control is on the right.

I'll veg 'em up as big as I can before flower. Topping as needed.

 

[osirica420]

sweet!

 

[Whatever]

I did more research and it pretty much confirms everything I've said. There's obviously some value in the products, as it's been shown plants can be grown using them, but there's some misinformation in this thread or at the least some discrepancies. Caveat Emptor!

1. SEA-90 - I don't know where they got the 90 from but nice marketing gimmick. Even their own website has an analysis showing only 41 identified elements. 30 show up as <.01 which means ND (non detect) at the low threshold of the test performed. The test was not capable of going below 10 PPB (parts per billion). All those elements are below 10 PPB. OK...so less than 10 PPB but how much is there at the recommended 'dosage'...probably parts per trillion. The analysis of SEA-90 is basically identical to Celtic Sea Salt...in other words SEA-90 is just natural whole sea salt. If anything the Celtic probably has a bit more moisture so the elements may look more concentrated in the SEA-90.

Yes there is SOME organic material in this product but very negligible at best...especially when considering the amount used. If there was a significant amount of organic matter I'm sure they'd say what it is.

2. Himalayan sea salt is basically the same as SEA-90 or Celtic except being from an ancient deposit there is no organic matter left. The analyses are basically identical.

3. Thalassa contains sea water, which probably contains some naturally occurring sea bacteria, but the product seems redundant IMO and not recommended to be used with other sea products. It also contains Himalayan salt which is redundant to the sea water except it makes for a more concentrated salt product in general. I'd rather just use a good organic product in conjunction with a sea salt product. There's nothing special about Thallasa.

4.

To make a ORMUS concentrate it involves raising the ph to over 13 of a strong seasalt solution for a period of time and the elements will fall out, to redissolve back into water use any acid.

Yes that's a method to use to make Ormus from seawater, or even from reconstituted sea salt, but you can also use something like a trap using rare earth neodymium magnets which has nothing to do with manipulating pH.

5.

Recognizing this decades ago Gerry Amena started harvesting the oceans for the wealth of minerals that she offers. Pure Pacific Ocean water is gathered of the coast of Queensland Australia where it is allowed to slowly reduce to a 1% solution. It takes an amazing 100 gallons of ocean water to make just 1 Gallon of Sea Minerals.

In a guarded location ocean water is gathered and over a number of months
undergoes a number of evaporative processes in purposely designed ponds.
Our factory is nature and the only source of energy comes from the wind and
the sun.

Through this patient process ocean water slowly concentrates. It is during
this stage that naturally occurring high levels of sodium precipitate out of
solution (drop out in crystalline form) and is gently removed leaving behind a
super concentrated ocean water solution that is remarkably low in sodium.

Balance is maintained by allowing nature to do its own work. As any one
element reaches a certain density predefined by nature it will naturally drop
out to ensure balance.

During this exhaustive process the sea minerals are constantly monitored to
ensure quality. The Sea Minerals are then prepared for shipping to our
Agricultural customers or sent to our facility to undergo our final process
before it is distributed around the world as a food or supplement ingredient.

The end result is a dense liquid solution chocked full of the goodness of
nature and the ocean. They are so rich in minerals that Sea Minerals weighs
a third more than ocean water.

This is genuinely deceiving and will not hold up under scrutiny. The Celtic sea salt people will basically confirm the open pond method will not produce a product as outlined above. What crystallizes on the surface they call Fleur de Sal. It is a type of salt product. The NaCl of the sea water rises until it reaches approximately 26% THEN starts to drop out along with the other minerals. The solution can not hold anything more in suspension because it is at saturation. The macro/micro/trace element concentration will not rise any more than that found in the finished product (natural whole sea salt). What precipitates out is just plain and simple natural whole sea salt, along with a negligible amount of organic matter, which is basically identical to Celtic sea salt. Nothing different or magical happens in the ponds in Australia as opposed to the ponds on the Brittany coast where Celtic sea salt comes from. The Celtic people don't sell some concentrated mineral product for agriculture or food use, like some claim to do, because it does not exist. They sell a sea salt which some sell as a mineral product.

6.

Where on the site does it advertise ORMUS??

Like I've said before...all my research indicates Sea Crop is basically the same product as that sold for human consumption on the Liquid Chi website by the same company as their Level 1 Liquid Chi product. It's not rocket science to figure out they're the same but will say the agricultural product is not for human consumption. Kind of funny how Sea Crop comes with instructions not to expose it to UV light or store near electrical equipment (EMF and magnetic field stuff)...why??? Cause that's how you treat an Ormus product. Yes it has sea elements in it also. We're currently testing this product. Part of it is microscopy work determining the effect on the bacterial and fungal population in a well established organic soil enviro. One of Sea Crops main claims is the dramatic positive effect on the fungal population and this can be tested.

7. As for Western Analysis...LOL...I have one of these. Can anyone else put their finger, literally, on a lab result from Western Analysis they've done, or from any lab or is the information being presented just copy and paste from what others are presenting on the web or in promotional literature? I've been doing independent research on a product for about a year now and hopefully have something ready by spring. Don't know if plain old natural sea salt will make the cut but I have learned a bunch in the process.

 

[osirica420]

imma just come out right it say it your a idiot....

go troll around on someone elses thread you speak little if no truth....

If you truly want to learn about the minerals in sea water read Dr. Murray's book..
It explains the extraction process in DETAIL!!!!
This same very technique the japanese make thier tofu with called Nigari tofu..

Here maybe this product is better suited for your trolling needs....
http://www.aglife.net/oceantrace.html



Sea-90 Works very well !
PPMs on some of these bigger trees are at 3500ppm and they eat 700ppm every 2-3 days now its NUTS!

 

[gregor_mendel]

Osiric420:

Are you serious? Whatever is trying to have a scientific discussion with you. He is being polite, and sharing his research. Exactly which of his points is wrong, and why? This accusation of him being a troll is nonsense, and there is no reason why a person should have to read a book to validate your claims.

 

[osirica420]

Your going to defend that moron?... I would not exactly call him polite either..

There is no reason he should have to read a book to validate my claims???

Oh ok so what others ways he can do this.. testing????

IT MUST BE DONE THRU THOROUGH research (READING & TESTING) not looking on the internet for 2 hours and saying you know it all!!!!!

He is wrong about the extraction, when you perform this extraction its a beauty
to watch as the minerals rise out of the salt TONS of relective colors!!

Get some unrefined seasalt an try for yourself !!!!!

And he fails to realize there is no other solution on the planet that has such a diverse mineral makeup as seawater...

He also fails to realize that a certain level of salt helps with the uptake of the elements!

ALL THE ELEMENTS IN NATURE CAN AND HAVE BEEN FOUND IN SEAWATER!!

quote me on this!!!

It is scientific fact that seawater has all elements under the sun!

Just cuz this troll once to pretend like he did some research does not give him the right to come on this thread speaking lies!!

Last but not least he comes on this thread talkin about ORMUS something people know absolutely nothing about an completly OFF-topic.

He seems more interested in levitating his weed then he does his health!!

Sea-crop is NOT concentrated ORMUS although you can make it from Sea-crop!

If your protecting that fool please don't post here!

 

[Sirius]

Kudos to whatever for bring some science and actual information to this thread, as opposed to the constant "you're a moron do your research" from the religious believer of some dead guy. Just another case of someone finding something that they think makes them special and they have to get defensive when reality shows they aren't.

 

[lilo]

haha, this guy is fucking hilarious!