ScroG Question

[THC•20]

I was wondering how many people start training their plants for the ScroG on the first day of flowering? I was wondering this because in my situation I only pull about 1-3 oz/harvest right now because I have a small 250 watt and really no space and I'm looking to increase that yield because that doesn't last me any time at all. I want a perpetual harvest and I don't want to run out of bud. So I'm trying to get my plants on a schedule that will allow me to immediately train them with the screen the minute I harvest a previous crop and constantly repeat the process without ever going through a dry spell. But I don't know how long it usually takes to train plants to grow through the screen. Any help?

 

[DontBanMe]

I have trained some through a scrog screen from day 1 of flower...now the screen didnt fill up nearly as much but you still get the effects of scrogging which are sweet. But i would definetly go with LSTin through veg instead of scroggin 1st day of flower, you will yeild alot more that way.
Then you wont have to deal with screen after screen after screen trying to get the plants just right in a perpetual with a scrog screen...that was the one thing i hated with my perpetual scroggin. so i lst now or supercrop...and i dont have to deal with a screen gettin the platns ust right and training them...because they already were trained before flower and now all they have to do is stretch out the 5-8 tops they got goin already and its on!
i hope that helps you in some way man...later

 

[Pirate138]

to help you get a perpetual herb flow then make a veg chamber where you can veg as others flower. secondly you should LST, FIM, and scrog to maximize yield in a small space(like me). there isnt much to training in scrog, when the plant shoots rise above the screen just weave it back under the screen and try to fill up the screen with shoots.

 

[ganjaLeaving]

^^^
sound advice.

My 2 cents: Scrog early in veg and switch to 12/12 when 2/3 of scrog is filled with tops.

Plants will stretch the first weeks of flowering -as you probably know- and you will end up with a nicely filled scrog.

Good luck man

 

[greenmonster714]

Scroggin is a great way to maximize a small grow space and a small wattage bulb but you can't ask a whole lot of that 250w. I agree w/ the veg chamber. However, if at all possible it would benefit you to have another flowering chamber and have it a month apart from your other one. I used to run into the same problem as you......running out of dope and it was a bummer. The second overlapping flower chamber took care of that problem.

 

[Floro Joe]

Yeah,you need a veg chamber to do a perpetual grow.A clone box is also a good idea.Then you can pull a crop every 3 to 4 weeks.

 

[THC•20]

I have trained some through a scrog screen from day 1 of flower...now the screen didnt fill up nearly as much but you still get the effects of scrogging which are sweet. But i would definetly go with LSTin through veg instead of scroggin 1st day of flower, you will yeild alot more that way.
Then you wont have to deal with screen after screen after screen trying to get the plants just right in a perpetual with a scrog screen...that was the one thing i hated with my perpetual scroggin. so i lst now or supercrop...and i dont have to deal with a screen gettin the platns ust right and training them...because they already were trained before flower and now all they have to do is stretch out the 5-8 tops they got goin already and its on!
i hope that helps you in some way man...later

I'm sorry, lol I haven't objected in a long time when it comes to growing advice but in my research LSTing is not better when it comes to yield in my particular situation. Honestly if you want to know, that's what I've been doing up to this point and just have a V8 moment (palm to forehead) a few weeks ago when I was upset with what was going on with my yield.

Of course if you LST train well you can get an even canopy of buds but that's not the case in my garden, I don't have the space to support how wide the well trained LST'd plants may stretch out to. And I've topped and LST'd and all that but my results are small trees. Basically that's all they are, regular untrained plants with more main colas instead of one. But the point is you won't have trees with an ScroG, every bud will be as swollen and dense and mature as the main cola's, also that would help increase yield, maturation speed (no more 1/2 harvesting to get an equal amount of mature bud) and speed the process of moving the next plants into my budding room. And yes I know a perpetual harvest is best with a veg/clone section and a blooming section, that's what I have. I'm building an ScroG set up in my flowering section.

But the thing is I think I understand ScroGing but I just have one question that I would just like to know before time. When training plants under screen do I completely pull the branches from the hole that they come out of or do I wait until the branch has come up through the screen and then poke the tip into another random square close by? That's the only thing I'm not understanding. And now that I think about it I realize ScroG training takes a while but since my space is small I'm going to have 3 plants under one screen so maybe that can help get the screen filled out more.

Now I haven't had any super fast growing clones like the minute you transplant them yet!, I don't have a mother at the time as I'm flowering the mothers, they are survived by about 10 clones I have. 3 are ready to be mothers. But the thing is they grew kinda real slowly to be have grown from clones. I guess my cloning methods weren't too well. But when these clones are ready to be mothers I'm going to try again and hopefully get a fast growing clone the minute I transplant it because the only way I can put them under screen is flowering them, so they would have to be started training from 1st day of flower. But if they are vigorous growing clones that should help the screen to get filled in nicely. Wish me the best of luck, this has to work because that stuff is my god given medicine and talk about unreliability in shitty street dealers and a shitty area for bud? Man I am suffering.

 

[DontBanMe]

ok well you seem like you got everything figured out, and obviously youve never scroged before or you wouldnt be askin the question. and i know training thruogh veg is better then trainig during the 1st day of bud since ive already done both.
you go ahead and get your godly yeilds from the super natural scrog techinque, and when you do be sure to let everyone know you found away to do it, so everyone else can benefit from your "research"
that 250 with ur scrog from 1st day of bud is going to make ur yeild SOOO big omg!!! why doesnt everyone ust use a 250 and scrog my lord! we are al retards...but oh yah i forgot, you havent even scroged before so you really dont know what your talkin about.
you need experience to actually know what your talkin about, you can research and research and research and you still wont know shit until you actually do it.
So im sorry my advice was so shitty but atleast im the only one that has actually done what the **** you were asking about and i know for a fact that training through veg (lst) and then budding yeilds ALOT more then scroggin from the 1st day of flower.

 

[Pirate138]

ok well you seem like you got everything figured out, and obviously youve never scroged before or you wouldnt be askin the question. and i know training thruogh veg is better then trainig during the 1st day of bud since ive already done both.
you go ahead and get your godly yeilds from the super natural scrog techinque, and when you do be sure to let everyone know you found away to do it, so everyone else can benefit from your "research"
that 250 with ur scrog from 1st day of bud is going to make ur yeild SOOO big omg!!! why doesnt everyone ust use a 250 and scrog my lord! we are al retards...but oh yah i forgot, you havent even scroged before so you really dont know what your talkin about.
you need experience to actually know what your talkin about, you can research and research and research and you still wont know shit until you actually do it.
So im sorry my advice was so shitty but atleast im the only one that has actually done what the **** you were asking about and i know for a fact that training through veg (lst) and then budding yeilds ALOT more then scroggin from the 1st day of flower.

i second you on that dontbanme. if you ask for advice and then disregard the (good) advice and contest it, thats just wrong. yeah as stated you should combine LST and scrogging in a small size to max yield. scrogg when your plants get to certain size.

 

[THC•20]

Wow what a bunch of ****in sarcastic ass holes. And here I was thinking this was a friendly board. Clearly marijuana is not for you or maybe you need to put the drink down, what ever is making you attack me when I never sent a single negative vibe towards you. All I was simply saying was I have grown plants before tying them down, LSTing them and topping them and my results were not like most peoples because I have a small closet and the last time I tied them down with extreme training they ****in spread too much and were damn near blocking every ****in bud site that was below the main colas.

And I came on these forums, seen how the ScroG method would allow an easier way to create an even amount of bud sites with an increased yield. I'm sorry if you never had a 250 watt or if you can afford an actual convenient grow but god dammit I'm just working with what I have and I was looking for advice. Why the hell would you bash me for stating my opinion and a bit of my little person experience on things, I wasn't doubting that LSTing increases yield because that's what I'm doing. If you even ****in read what I wrote, I said "Of course if you LST train well you can get an even canopy of buds" but the fact is I DON'T HAVE THE ROOM FOR THE HORIZONTAL STRETCH OF THE LST. I've already tried it. It's easier to keep them in-bounds with a screen in my situation, that's all I was saying. Geez.

 

[DontBanMe]

you got it man, and actually i used a 250 for along ****ing time, now i just veg under it. You should really consider buying 45watt CFL's to coincide with your 250 then you wouldnt have such a problem...but scroggin isnt going to make everything perfect...i say your going to loose yeild because you going to squeeze everyhting in this little screen and your not going to have as many bud sites...but hey that advice may be ****in stupid to, so just say this agina

I'm sorry, lol I haven't objected in a long time when it comes to growing advice but in my research LSTing is not better when it comes to yield in my particular situation

and how the **** would yoou know anyways, you havent even scrogged before, research is so unreliable...there are way to many different variables that contribute to peoples grow set ups that contribute to there results.

 

[THC•20]

I'm sorry if you were offended by my use of the word "research" but I was simply saying that I was comparing my results to the results of people that were using the same bulb as me and doing this ScroG thing. And what are you trying to prove? No ****in' shit I've never done it before, that's why I created this thread. Look man just click ignore and avoid any future post/threads I make if you're going to have that ****in' stupid ass sarcastic attitude. All I did was come here lookin' for help, not a fight. I'm sorry if you can't take a few humorous statements or because I said I "researched" something, of course experience is better than research. I learned that from growing ffs.

 

[DontBanMe]

Like i said, you got it all figured out so why are you askin a question when you already have your mind made up?
You cant ask a question and then contest to advice and then answer your own question on research you did and basically call peoples advice stupid, it makes no sense.

 

[THC•20]

Well I wasn't asking a question on what to do, I was asking how many people have had experience of a ScroG grow with plants training from day 1 so I can figure out if it would be a good thing to do or not. I was trying to get an answer so I could hear of some results and if it would be worth it. And I never called your advice stupid, please find one sentence that even hints me saying anything bad about your advice. I was acknowledging your advice and (at first) appreciated it but was trying to get you to understand that I had already had experience with trying to do LST. Ok look do you want to see what my room looked like the last time I LST'd my plants really hard?


And that was only two plants. There was so much suffering of growth and I didn't even LST as hard as I could have with those.

When they began to flower the stretch that would usually go vertically went horizontally and I'm trying to get you to understand I have a small closet. I don't have a wide or big room so I can't get an even canopy by lsting and fimming and all that because the growth turns wild and the room becomes too small for their vigorous growth. Is that so hard to understand?

 

[DontBanMe]

You can really stick those plants alot closer together, they can touch you know that right? Your going to have to squeeze anything tight in that closet...and like i said before scroggin form day 1 of flowering is fine but you will not fill the screen up unless its a really small screen OR you have plants that stretch for like 3 weeks or so...Ive dont it before.
I seriously would grow a bunch of clones that i veg for a week or 2 and pull them all over in that closet...i think that would be ur best bet.
But i dont know, maybe scroggin 3 plants form the 1st day of flower can do the trick, but your really not going to see much change in yeild unless you add light,....and you can cheaply add light with CFLs from miejer and then use shop light bulb cords to hang them anywhere.
Ahh well i dont know where you live so you may not have a meijer. but the 45watt CFLs produce a nice orangeish redish color and they work very well for flowering, i use to use a 250MH with 4 45watt CFLS and the CFLS really add alot of light, compared to when they are on and when they are off there is a HUGE difference.

 

[THC•20]

Ok, I appreciate your help. Honestly now that I think about it even though I've never done a ScroG to see how it would be I've decided to not do it. Sorry, you can insult me for free once more and I won't even care lol. Because today I realized something. I was just looking at the pics from my old grow to upload that pic and I realized why my plants might suck so much. I forgot they were suppose to be mothers. That being said I had them in 2 gallon pots. Forgot to transplant I was such in a hurry. That probably played a part in why my plants are so small too. I had them flowering in 3 gallon pots last time. And I yielded like 3 oz each, that would be good now. Those plants were so much bigger, this time they are mini plants.



Some Cotton Candy mix


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Of course there are a number of things that could contribute to my yield, I realize that and I know that ScroGing is not the only way but I was just looking for a better way. Now that I look at my situation though I come to realize that ScroG really wouldn't be a good idea. I realize what you were saying. I could train them to veg into the screen but I don't want to use the light for more than 12/12 for security reasons. So I only use that light to flower, I have the mothers and clones growing under 300 watts of CFL's. Hopefully I get my heating mat today and I'm going to take more clones with much better conditions and all and when I harvest these little bushes at the end of this month I'll hopefully have clones ready to be flowered before this little crap runs out on me :-/. Btw from you guys experience..how exactly fast is the root growth? Because I'm still a noob and have no problem admitting, but I've never actually taken them out of their pots to look at roots simply because it's pretty difficult to remove them once they've become bushes. But I was wondering because I really wonder if my plants really are begging for more root space right now. They were transplanted from cups to those pots in 3rd week of veg and I've vegged them for about 9 months. Now it's the 6th week of flower. And the little one is in a 3 gallon pot but not filled all the way up with soil because I ran out of that -_-. Probably has just as much if not less soil than the big flowering plants. But it has more width to the pot so.. That was just a clone I think I flowered too soon but I did it just to see what would happen. I had been vegging it for about a month or so and it was carrying along slow. Decided to flower and it stretched like a mother....., now it's flowering and seems to be developing fast. Looks good . I expect maybe a half or something lol.