Saliva testing...the new thing?

[Guest]

My wife went to a job interview this morning. About an hour after she left I got a phone call from her cell phone.I answered and a very flustered sounding wife was on the other end."What's up" I asked.
"Hey , they want me to take a drug test right here on the spot, It's a saliva test, I don't know what i'm going to do" my wife exclaimed. I immediatly ran to the computer with my my wife on the phone ,looked up Icmag and started tring to find info on passing a saliva test( or at least to see if anyone knew how accurate they are) , I really didn't find much info and really couldn't advise my wife in this situation. In the end we both just decided that my wife had a "sudden emergency" and had to leave the interview, the whole situation was very dissapointing. So In the wake of this bullshit I wanted to write this thread to seriously discuss this new technique , as I believe we may be looking at the future of drug testing, and as a large cross section of smokers who still have to pay their bills , we need to figure out sure fire ways of beating this. I will begin my research, but if anyone has any insight into this please chime in , we need to know.

 

[OG savatage]

Heard about this recently too. Mouth swabbing. Did find this at Erowid. They have a good section on drug testing

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/testing/testing_info1.shtml

 

[Queso]

fuck, im glad i dont have drug testing like that in my country. best of luck to ur wife my friend. hope she manages to get the job

 

[-StashBastard-]

I could be wrong but these might be a little more in our favor, I dont think they are a very powerfull test.

My wife recently failed 2 drug tests after being clean about 40 days. First was a urine test( and we bought the $40 de-tox drink the head shop had so much faith in) , then a hair test, both failures made her miss out on jobs.

A few days later she took a saliva test for a different job and passed.

After working there a few days she was talking to another employee who said he was suprised he passed the drug test because he was smoking the week before the test, he said he drank alot of water right before the saliva test and passed fine.

No drug testing is good, but I think these might be better because they can do them right in the office, no sending you to the lab and I think they are an easier test to pass.

 

[Guest]

I have heard that some believe saliva testing to be easier to beat. Unfortunatly when they spring it on ya , you're just as fucked as if it was any other drug test. I have also been hearing Cops are going to start carrying saliva tests to test people they have pulled over, if you test positive...guess what DO NOT PASS GO.....Do NOT COLLECT 200$, cause you're fucked , and you're going to jail. They can dress this shit up anyway they want, but we are still on the business end of gettin' fucked here. Keep the input coming folks...

 

[TheGreenMachine]

I have also been hearing Cops are going to start carrying saliva tests to test people they have pulled over, if you test positive...guess what DO NOT PASS GO.....Do NOT COLLECT 200$, cause you're fucked , and you're going to jail.

This will get beat down pretty fast in the courts after a few arrests. How can the test tell you just smoked and are therefore, DWI/DUI? Technically, smoking is not a crime - just possession. I wouldn't worry about this too much. The fact they may be administered in the field is enough to prove the undependable nature of such a test.

 

[guest]

DO NOT CONCENT

DO NOT CONCENT

I have heard that some believe saliva testing to be easier to beat. Unfortunatly when they spring it on ya , you're just as fucked as if it was any other drug test. I have also been hearing Cops are going to start carrying saliva tests to test people they have pulled over, if you test positive...guess what DO NOT PASS GO.....Do NOT COLLECT 200$, cause you're fucked , and you're going to jail. They can dress this shit up anyway they want, but we are still on the business end of gettin' fucked here. Keep the input coming folks...

Do NOT concent to any search or test.

Make the frekin' pig get a court order!! Have him wake the judge up at 2AM saying that he/she thinks you might have been smokin some pot.

To start off print this card:

http://www.norml.org/pdf_files/freedom_card_4.pdf

That lets you print four on a single page.
Give three to your friends.
Give the last one to the frekin' pig that pulls you over the next time.
Then print it again.

Don't make their job easy!

Make them get a court order every single time!!

 

[Guest]

I could be wrong but these might be a little more in our favor, I dont think they are a very powerfull test.

My wife recently failed 2 drug tests after being clean about 40 days. First was a urine test( and we bought the $40 de-tox drink the head shop had so much faith in) , then a hair test, both failures made her miss out on jobs.

A few days later she took a saliva test for a different job and passed.

After working there a few days she was talking to another employee who said he was suprised he passed the drug test because he was smoking the week before the test, he said he drank alot of water right before the saliva test and passed fine.

No drug testing is good, but I think these might be better because they can do them right in the office, no sending you to the lab and I think they are an easier test to pass.

Many places fail a person if they use something to hide it because the screen comes up N/A or something like that.

 

[Guest]

the only saliva test ive taken ive passed, stoned..

went to a temp agency & had massive cottonmouth, (wasnt really concerned about getting a job there, i had been to 2 other places that day) but they stuck the swab in my cheek and i had to hold it there for a few minutes.. i do know i ate a breathmint a few minutes before i walked in, only because i had just smoked some bud at home quick before i left for this place, and i also smoke cigs and hate having cigarette breath,,

the swab really didnt get that saturated, and it came back clear..

go figure

and the job sucked ass anyway, i think i quit in the first few days..

in those saliva tests, weed can only be found somewhere within 72 hours or so from the test, so its VERY good for us..

just abstain for 3 days and youll be good, hell, you read how i passed, and i was stoned.. maybe just a fluke, but it happened

 

[LiLWaynE]

lets fastforward to 2009..

i was just in Barnes and Noble reading the newest issue of HiGH Times...

there was a huge article about this new "philips" device that is on pace to be used in Europe within the year....

Philips developed an on-the-go drug testing device that can be used by the side of the road to test suspected imbibers for cocaine, heroin, cannabis, amphetamines and methaphetamine.

Unlike the standard alcohol testing device, this equipment is used by having the suspect spit into a small receptacle, which is then inserted into the measurement chamber which contains magnetic nanoparticles coated with ligands that bind to one of five different drug groups, delivering color coded test results in about 90 seconds.

This isn’t exactly great for drug users, but for those that don’t use drugs and just seem to look the part this is definitely good news. It will end any harassment much faster through a quick test.

Philips built it as an optical device that would be easy to mass produce for law enforcement. The company hopes to release this to cops in Europe by the end of this year.

 

[sorcival]

imo...ANY type drug testing is an illegal invasion of your personal privacy and an
illegal demand for you to surrender your personal body fluids to convict you of
a crime without a warrant or a trial.
The USA constitution states quite plainly that no person shall be required to testify
or give any evidence including body fluids that will or may incriminate said person.
Therefore, any type of drug testing, whether for an employment application, arrest,
or a traffic stop is a clear violation of your right not to incriminate yourself.
Please feel free to correct me on this IF I am in the wrong here....

Where I live, it is a common practice for employers to have on hand litmus test kits
for urine testing on-the-spot for drug testing for pre-employment. Not only is this
HIGHLY illegal, it is also VERY demeaning to an individual due to the fact that it requires
an individual to compromise his/her security on a personal level for the edification of
a stranger AND may subject said individual to a criminal charge if the employer so
deems it.

People, we DO NOT have to consent to this type of humbling/demeaning bullshit.
IF everyone stood up for their individual rights, then this bullshit under-the-legal
system of illegal drug testing would have to stop. Right? Right....
Stand up for your RIGHTS, my friends, never kneel for the asshole authorities who
wanna be kings of tyranny.

 

[InducedSerenity]

imo...ANY type drug testing is an illegal invasion of your personal privacy and an
illegal demand for you to surrender your personal body fluids to convict you of
a crime without a warrant or a trial.
The USA constitution states quite plainly that no person shall be required to testify
or give any evidence including body fluids that will or may incriminate said person.
Therefore, any type of drug testing, whether for an employment application, arrest,
or a traffic stop is a clear violation of your right not to incriminate yourself.
Please feel free to correct me on this IF I am in the wrong here....

Where I live, it is a common practice for employers to have on hand litmus test kits
for urine testing on-the-spot for drug testing for pre-employment. Not only is this
HIGHLY illegal, it is also VERY demeaning to an individual due to the fact that it requires
an individual to compromise his/her security on a personal level for the edification of
a stranger AND may subject said individual to a criminal charge if the employer so
deems it.

People, we DO NOT have to consent to this type of humbling/demeaning bullshit.
IF everyone stood up for their individual rights, then this bullshit under-the-legal
system of illegal drug testing would have to stop. Right? Right....
Stand up for your RIGHTS, my friends, never kneel for the asshole authorities who
wanna be kings of tyranny.

That's all well and good, but if you want a driver's license you need to sign a form indicating that you're consenting, in advance, for testing to determine intoxication. Otherwise, you go to jail, where they force you to give up blood or other bodily fluids for testing.

 

[k1net1k]

in australia our police use these saliva tests for roadside random testing. we used to have just random breath testing for alcohol. Now the new saliva swab tests for cannabis, methamphetamie and exctacy. if this test is positive, you are required to go to the cop shop for a blood test. refusal of the test is an $800 fine and permanent loss of license

I have only heard of people being tested (that had been smoking) and as long as they had not just smoked have been clear. The police say that its up to 12hrs, but i honestly think its less.

Some people have suggested that milk drinks coat the mouth and can lower/negate readings.

I think its a pretty crappy test as many friends have passed it after smoking the same day.

Also had a friend who took the test WHILE having a tab of acid under his tongue. I was in the passenger seat and we had all just dropped on our way to the party. next thing we get singled out for a random test. Didnt trigger any alerts, and had not smoked anything, so came up clear.