Roundup Ready Cannabis: Advice needed

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Cornfields are {could be) a good place to grow and they provide grow opportunities for those living in areas where there arent a lot of rural, remote grow locations, but Roundup Ready corn disallows the cannabis farmer from planting amongst the corn until June. Corn picking can start in late sept and cornfield growers often get caught between the 2 aspects which make the season so short that it makes growing in a cornfield difficult at best but unrealistic for many.

This upcomming year is my 3rd year of attempting to desensitize cannabis to Roundup. If cannabis, like corn was resistant then it could be planted along with the corn eliminating the need to wait until june which would change the scenario dramatically..

Problems: I'm not an experienced breeder or chemist and ive run into problems.

Ive reduced the dosage of the roundup to low levels and have reached a point where when i spray small plants, they dont die but thier offspring die if the dosage is increased. I dont seem to be passing on the resistance.

My test grows are of 100 plants, due they need to be larger?
Do you think different strains would behave differntly?

Does anyone know of specific reading i could do to gain some insight into herbicidil resistance development?

Stumped and hoping for words of wisdom.

 

[grow1620]

as far as I know, the roundup ready plants actually absorb the roundup and store it in their leaves/cells. Also think about it...even if you find a strain that is roundup resistant it will still be getting sprayed with roundup on a regular basis right? I personally wouldn't smoke roundup ready weed, or weed that had any chemicals sprayed on it. Even the advertised "food safe" sprays aren't smoke safe. I highly doubt any of the fertilizer companies do any long term tests of the results of smoking their pesticide sprays!

but I definitely think different strains would have higher tolerances...maybe a strain that can handle tons of nutes would be a good start.

How bout autoflowers planted right after they stop fertilizing? seems like there would be a nice 2-3 month window of opportunity....?

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Good suggestion on the auto's. Im working on it. In fact, a buddy grew 87 autos between rows of soy beans and harvested 9lbs of weed from 90 days of effort. That caught my attention.

The roundup disipates fairly quick. Ive seen a number of crops grown after june when the roundup dissipates and they are fine. Ive seen silage made of the corn and cows eat it, the roundup is gone.

I think there are only a couple of applications of roundup. One pre plant, one when the plants are knee high which usually occurs late may, early june. By mid june, one can plant safely. I dont believe it gets absorbed.

 

[Molson]

From my understanding the roundup ready crops that seed companies produce are GMOs. I don't think you can achieve the same thing through conventional breeding methods with cannabis.

Certain strains are definitely more mold resistant and can handle nutes better than others. Maybe you should try working with those, and they'd give you similar results?

 

[Xtensity]

Maybe I'm just too high but I'm not sure I'm quite understanding this....Is roundup what they do when they go destroy all the plants or is that some sort of chemical they're spraying on plants. Does it kill them? Er, i'm extremely confused here

 

[Randy Marsh]

The corn is planted in the spring and gets sprayed (roundup-kills all plants but the roundup ready ones ie corn) before it gets too high; usually around 3 feet tall. I like to keep my plants in 5 gallon pails until a few days after the corn gets sprayed, then transplant into the field. The downside of this is that you end up with a bunch of plants sitting around until the field is sprayed. Make sure that you are planting in cow corn (the stuff fed to animals and not humans) as otherwise you might end up losing your crop to the combine, cow corn was harvested last year in late November if I remember correctly, human corn around sept or so. In my area the farmers rotate crops every year or so, keep an eye peeled and over time you figure out the rotation - last year was cow corn, this year was soy beans.

 

[fishheadbob]

Roundup ready corn and also soybeans are genetically modified, Molson hit it. Lots of atrazine hanging around cornfields too. Nasty stuff.
I've never been a fan of planting in cornfields, too many unknowns unless you're the farmer who knows what he'll be doing and when.
Don't despair, there's always small grains. Oats, wheat, barley, etc. aren't roundupped, a farmer might hit them with a broadleaf herbicide based on 2-4-d if conditions call for it. In my limited, long ago experience a 2-4-d overspray didn't bother the weed plants at all. Apparently, I'm no biologist, marijuana is more a grass than a broadleaf and it seems to be able to handle broadleaf weed killers.
I've read that the university types are trying to enlarge the kinds of plants which are roundup resistant -GMOs- but it's going to be a while before some crazed guy in Ames or wherever turns out genetically modified weed seeds; no bucks for that. It would have to be a labor of love.

 

[microgram]

There is atleast one strain out there that is roundup&chemical resistant. A few years back the DEA flew over some mexican feilds with roundup and a few other chemicals and dumped them on the plants. The growers still harvested, the dea: what a joke.

GMO is genetic selection, you need to test, breed, and test again. Keep doing this until the plant has figured out how to be prone to survival against this chemical. Same 'theory' applies to some sativa's that herm because of the long seasons and male desperation. They herm so that they can produce seeds, regardless if they're offspring intersex.

So whipping up a roundup-ready crop is definitely feasible, but you wouldn't be able to plant in the next few seasons because breeding stability takes a long time.

Roundup disipates very fast, within weeks usually. Up to six months depending on where you live (Scotland has it bad for what ever reason). Roundup is one of the safest chemicals used in agriculture, there have been many misleading falsified scientific experiments regarding this product. Scotts does tend to like to face lawsuits though (usually by misleading product information).

UG!

 

[sprinkl]

Roundup weedkiller 'probably' causes cancer, says WHO

If a big international organization like the WHO says something like that, you can be sure it's hella cancerous.

A new poison for our bees

Most discussions about colony collapse disorder (CCD) have focused on poor nutrition, Nosema, and mysterious viruses and of course neonicotinoid insecticides. The potential for glyphosate to harm bees is new, but this is not the first time it has been implicated in bee deaths.

Last year, plant pathologist Dr. Don Huber submitted a paper to the Center for Honeybee Research highlighting glyphosate as a possible cause of CCD.

Huber’s found that glyphosate:

Chelates minerals, lowering available nutrients in plants Malnutrition is a consistent factor in CCD
Acts like an antibiotic to beneficial bacteria This means it kills off Lactobacillus and other bacteria necessary for digestion
Is a neurotoxin A common symptom of CCD is that honeybees experience neurological changes associated with disorientation.
Causes endocrine hormone & immune disruption Alterations in key hormones and immune system function can be lethal
Stimulates fungal overgrowth This could encourage the growth of the fungal pathogen Nosema
Is a persistent, accumulative poison Residues present in honey, nectar and other plant products, mean honeybees are continually exposed to this toxin

This is the effect on honeybees... If you ask me those effects are mostly due to glyphosate damaging bacteria in the gut. They always claimed it kills weed by stopping a certain enzyme from working, which animals don't have. But bacteria do. Bacteria are the essence of all things living.
Our body is comparable to a plant in organic soil. Our testine are our roots, and the bacteria in it our little microherd, giving us nutrients and protecting us.
If you flush a plant in organic soil with bleach solution it won't die but it probably will get sick shortly after. Same thing is happening to humans. We are killing our microherd, then running to bad solutions like chemical pharmaceuticals to cope with the symptoms until we are totally used up and just sitting around waiting for death. Cancer is probably one of the best ways out then...

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Roundup is showing itself to be really bad for people in extremely low doses. You don't read about it in the US corporate press though, for some strange reason. This whole thing is a bad idea.

 

[Gry]

Seems the initial research on the stuff may well have been bunk, but the corporation was well connected enough politically to bury it. Given how they have reacted to the research on the honeybees, I am inclined to think that morality of the corporation is such that those who work there wish they did not.

I have renal cell, and when I hear of agricultural workers getting soaked with the stuff when picking in the next field over, it does not sit well with me.

 

[sprinkl]

Some employees most likely fear for their life, with access to info that when leaked might be very damaging to the company...

 

[Jhhnn]

From my understanding the roundup ready crops that seed companies produce are GMOs. I don't think you can achieve the same thing through conventional breeding methods with cannabis.

Certain strains are definitely more mold resistant and can handle nutes better than others. Maybe you should try working with those, and they'd give you similar results?

You are correct about roundup ready crops being genetically engineered. Some weeds have developed resistance, but that's only through natural selection among billions & billions of weeds. I doubt that proper selections could be made wrt cannabis other than among very large populations.

 

[Gram Paw smurf]

I just don't see the point of planting in corn or soy fields as a plan myself cause if you're somewhere you need to hide the weed those are the easiest n 1st places they look for it. lol
See it every year, those crops planted in fields stick out like a patch work of sore thumbs ffs lol, aside from the fact I wouldn't smoke anything with that shit on it with your lungs.
Rather spend my time on breeding something usefull tbh like a nice or unique terp profile some killer growth traits or even something simply novel for that matter.
Life's too short to spend time on breeding useless things imo, that's what kids are for anyhow. lol

cheers,.................................................................gps

 

[Kygiacomo!!!]

:yay:

I just don't see the point of planting in corn or soy fields as a plan myself cause if you're somewhere you need to hide the weed those are the easiest n 1st places they look for it. lol
See it every year, those crops planted in fields stick out like a patch work of sore thumbs ffs lol, aside from the fact I wouldn't smoke anything with that shit on it with your lungs.
Rather spend my time on breeding something usefull tbh like a nice or unique terp profile some killer growth traits or even something simply novel for that matter.
Life's too short to spend time on breeding useless things imo, that's what kids are for anyhow. lol

cheers,.................................................................gps

i couldnt agree more. why waste time worrying about ur plant in a corn feild with all kinds of crazy chemicals. i would rather spend my time getting a awesome plot that i know what is in the dirt, it seems the ppl that plant in corn feilds is just to lazy to find a good plot that will get just as much sun with a little bit of effort and work. ever year on tv here i also see cops finding plants in corn feilds. i have a neighbor that lives behind me and he has a small farm. ever year here when the pigs start flying they always fly very low over his corn feild looking. then even if u do plant in the corn feilds u gotta sit and worry if the farmer is gonna find it,if hes gonna spray this and that and also gotta take a chance on being out there and farmer seeing u. if u live in a small town like me then word would be all over town before u even got back home lol it just spells trouble to me. i'll take my chances high on a hill and watch the farmer in his feild from the mountain while im smelling my beautiful, round up free buds

 

[Gram Paw smurf]

lol yeah thas the lucky ending to a farmer finding you in his field too lol, cause I know here most if not all of them have more than enough fire power to take care of their own without needing to call anyone for help.
lol Hell lots of houses here with no fields, n something simple as a chicken coop n a few heads of livestock kicking around, are always firing rounds off in the air at night to get rid of wolves, n coyotes, n shit.
Meh some growers could just be adrenaline junkies that get a big rush from shot whizzing over head I guess. lol

cheers,..................................gps

 

[Kygiacomo!!!]

lol yeah thas the lucky ending to a farmer finding you in his field too lol, cause I know here most if not all of them have more than enough fire power to take care of their own without needing to call anyone for help.
lol Hell lots of houses here with no fields, n something simple as a chicken coop n a few heads of livestock kicking around, are always firing rounds off in the air at night to get rid of wolves, n coyotes, n shit.
Meh some growers could just be adrenaline junkies that get a big rush from shot whizzing over head I guess. lol

cheers,..................................gps

haha right on

 

[rdt]

First,roundup ready marijuana seeds are very possible, but it would only happen if A) it was legalized in America & B)they allow American row croppers to grow it in, probably, at least 50 acre plots.

Second, whether Roundup is safe or not, it doesn't matter. I can promise u absolutely everything you eat, drink, wear, sleep on etc., if it has a cotton product, is a food product or the many products containing many assortments of corn based substances, it has been exposed to a great deal of chemicals of which Roundup is probably the safest. I'm a farmer & trust me everything gets sprayed. The peanuts for your pb&j as well as whatever the jelly was made of. It's just modern ag, it's y so many people develop cancer these days but is a necessary evil to provide for our overpopulated world. If u smoke tobacco ur also smoking much worse so take a chill pill on the health crap.
Also, all herbicides work by inhibiting certain processes that are exclusive to members of the plant kingdom. Unless u breathe through photosynthesis I wouldn't worry about it. I handle this stuff every day and that's about the only way for u to be badly affected by the spray.

 

[rdt]

Info gathered

Info gathered

I was speaking with our local county extension agent, who's job is to help farmers. We plant cotton that is tolerant to a spray called Liberty due to the voracious nature of roundup resistant palmer amaranth in fields. He informed me not to spray a weed of a certain height. I asked y because I have killed many weeds of the size he indicated with this spray. He replied that the ones that AREN'T killed tho could go on to develop tolerance, as with Roundup. So I'd say wait until the plants are of a good size and dose em but not enough to kill em. Keep these plants alive as long as possible cuz the more times they seed out, if u dose in between, the more likely it will produce tolerance. However some weeds have been sprayed with Roundup longer than palmer amaranth and still aren't resistant so, idk really but that would be a good place to start

 

[Sourbear]

Just to kind of get an insight on how the gears over at Monsanto turn: Vice recently did a special where they interviewed basically the CEO. The interview is based on the product Roundup. It's a pretty sobering moment when you realize the CEO's mindset. Even when presented with negative evidence and data against his own copyright, he simply disclaims any errors saying, "as a scientist i don't believe we made any errors." Meaning that science is always changing/can be subjected to being wrong so what hes doing is just apart of the process.

The interview is conducted around 5:00 mins into the video, and stretches on while information from around the globe is spliced in. Around 10:00 is when you really catch the mindset that Monsanto has. His attitude is terrifying.......

link to the video if anyone is interested: http://vodlocker.com/9lqpd10pf1br
The second half of the episode is pretty sobering too...

The claim to their MAIN goal is to "feed the world." Albeit a noble thing to strive for they are going about it the wrong way.

Monsanto spends an incredible amount of money in their transgensis department. Specifically their agricultural transgensis department. They take the genes from one species and splice it into another living organism for beneficial traits in that particular crop. In doing this it allows a crop like corn or soy to grow in an environment that it would not normally survive in. For example they are splicing genes into plants that make them resistant to the main ingredient in roundup.


The environment that these plants are genetically engineered to live in is an agricultural one: Huge crops with massive harvests of the same species with ZERO biodiversity in the environment. Constant spraying of pesticides while the soil lives in an area that is raked/tilled every year and amended with unnatural fertilizers. The soil is compressed by giant machinery and chokes out the ability for it to breath and compost correctly. So your left with dirt that's basically dead.

Agriculture works against the system that nature already has in place:

There is a very complex and diverse communication between all plants via their roots. There is a system already in place for these plants. It is a spiderweb of inter-connectivity and communication and nutrient transferring. All plants uptake nutrient and emit nutrient, with a diverse enough community it can self sustain. Where one plant uptakes Nitrogen the neighboring plant next to it will disperse nitrogen(like bushbeans) All of this communication between the biodiversity is negated when you plant 1 species in a 50 acre field.

The more mycelium is studied the more apparent it becomes that roots share a symbiotic cultivation with each-other. And the more bio diversity there is the more transference of food and essential minerals is traded between the species.

Instead of engineering or breeding a plant to survive a terrible environment. You should engineer and build an environment to better accommodate a wide biodiversity.

With the agricultural method:
----Single abundant harvest of malnourished produce
----Soil is plowed and frequently treated with chemicals
----Soil is compacted by heavy machinery and it cant breath property making it worse each year
----Roundup is required constantly, even when shown negative health effects for humans AND still being weed resistant.
----Single crop planting requires high doses of pesticides and fertilizers. its a constant fight against nature and a system already in place.
----This method costs more energy than it actually produces
----Agricultural process is so expensive that without government subsidies they would not make enough money from their crops alone to keep growing.

With the bio diverse method:
---Soil that gets fertilized each year by the succession of dying/successive crops, no need to add fertilizers or till the land with heavy machinery in turn suffocating the soil of its nutrient value.
---Self sustaining ecological partnerships between animals/plants
---No usage of unnatural pesticides, the plants symbiotically acquire a commutative immune system and the attractant of insects brings natural defense to the environment.
---An abundant harvest containing multiple varieties in one root sub-community
---The farmer, the soil, and the animals all benefit from this method

This inter-connectivity between roots has been around long before agriculture was even a word. Why monsanto is spending billions trying to force isolated species to grow in hostile environments soaked in roundup is beyond me. Its 100 times cheaper to engineer a healthy environment & grow a diverse harvest.


There is a much much cheaper way to cultivate crops without forcing a product like roundup or the genetic copyright on created seeds. The system they are building is a malnourished, isolated, genetic abomination that goes against its natural archetype.


Edit: the vod locker link should work you shouldn't;t have to sign up for anything, I'm using an addblocker and vodlocker only requires that you wait 5 seconds before proceeding to the video. If you don't have an add-blocker you might get re-directed.