Round two (please help, pics enclosed)

[supafly]

Assorted bag seed.
3 Weeks into flower
FFOF soil with D lime, Epsoms plus, and perilight
Watered with PH adjused water. 6.3 ish + or - a tenth.
Old age bloom 5-10-5 1/2 strength once a week.
Humidity arownd 50%
70 to 75 degrees lights on
65 to 70 lights off
1000 watts HPS about 24-28 inches away.
Lots of ventelation.

Take a look at the pics if you would and tell me your best guess. I was told that it was a N problem and flushed the plants three days ago. I then fed them with a 1/2 dose of blooming ferts. Now there are 5 to 6 plants showing curled/clawed leaves. Not sure what plan of action to take from here or what is causing it. Give me your best guess if you would please, and tell me what you would do. Getting a little worried here guys, and I would really like to get this fixed before it began to deminish yields.

 

[10k]

The clawing is a classic symptom of overferting.
The FF soil is already pretty hot stuff and you mentioned having given a "1/2 strength" dose of bloom ferts after the first round of leeching, which was after the symptoms began. From the sound of that I'm guessing that "you're just mixing based on the label" instead of actually measuring the ec strength. So the mix was most likely still too strong for your plants in that rich ff soil.

Hopefully you have sufficient perlite in the soil so they have adequate drainage for a thoroughly good leeching.

Leech them heavily again, so that the water is running out of the planters until you've put in about two times the container capacity of straight up ph'd water thru those planters, and then after they've begun to recover, and have dried out enough for another drink...feed them nothing else but ph'd water when they're ready, until you're seeing that clawing effect going away.

 

[supafly]

You are right about reading the packeging. I went off the lable. Before i was getting more of a rolling leaf than the clawing affect.

When i flushed them i ran one gallon of water thought them slowly so that it could wet and leach all the soil. Assuming that it would have deadned the soil a bit i fed them. Most of them seem to be doing better today than yesterday but it still has me concerend.

Any thoughts on the rolling leaves?

Ill have to flush them again. Damn that a time killer.. lol

 

[sproutco]

Make sure your fert has all the micros: iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, and molybdenum. Ph could be slightly lower. You added a dose of potassium and magnesium by adding sulpomag or epsom plus. You left out calcium. Better plan is to leave that out of the mix and add 1/4 teaspoon of both powdered gypsum + epsom salts per gallon of water along with the regular ferts when you need a boost. I like to do this every third fert. with dol. lime in the soil. Adding both calcium and magnesium together keeps a balance.

 

[supafly]

Thanks Sproutco, Ill give that a shot. I have been meaning to get some gypsum. Sounds like its time to get on the ball. My ferts do have mircos. But im not sure if there in the right ratios. Is there a good premixed fert that you would reccomend?

Ok so im going to reflush tommarow and wait until the next watering/ or later to feed again. Is there anything else that you guys would suggest?

All the help is really appreciated

 

[Verite]

Dang that sounds like calcium/Mg overload. Its pretty common that almost all city tap water tests show that they have plenty high levels of calcium and magnesium [ if you have 'hard water' or high levels of tds ppm then you have plenty of Ca and Mg already ], plenty enough to sustain an avg MJ plant. Then add dolomite lime and your adding another batch of calcium and magnesium carbonate. Add epsoms and theres another batch of magnesium sulfate. Put em all together and I think its a bit much.

 

[supafly]

Sounds like its time to go get a meter this weekend.

 

[supafly]

Alright guys, all the babys have been flushed today. I guess we will watch and see what happends.

Any thoughts on what kind of blooming ferts to get in the mean time?

Thanks for all the help.

 

[supafly]

Things are looking better. Only one day looking forward to tommarow.

 

[10k]

Please just stay with ph'd water for now supafly like I had suggested.
Its not time to be going nuts with the mg & ca additions either, I agree with Verite on that.
The plant(s) and soil are already pleanty loaded down with mg & ca & micros.

You leeched them some on the 6th, and they responded by looking better on the 7th.
What does this tell you supafly?

After that good leeching, your soil shouldnt be any where near needing more water for a few days at least, maybe ready on saturday the 9th, so please dont be in a big hurry to help em out with any additions other than just ph'd water.

Let them enjoy the ff soil for now, which btw is not totally depleted by that leeching, it's just less overdosed with the excessive additions, so just give them a drink of water when they're thirsty for now.
Use the lift the pot method to know when to water.

Show us how its looking today if possible, and be patient.
The plants, in flowering may soon begin to be showing a slight bit of yellowing on the lowest sets of leaves, which is totally normal in flowering and is no cause for worries.

Meanwhile, do you have access to a grow supply shop in your area, or do you want to go with something you can find at a home & garden center for bloom nutes ?

Again, please be patient and dont feed them anything just yet.

 

[10k]

Just for the heck of it supafly...
Can you please list all the ingredients of that ff soil here ?
Maybe type out what the bag says verbatim.

 

[supafly]

Thanks 10k. That was the plan for now. At lights on, I will post picture later.

As far as the ferts I have Age Old Bloom. Wich is recamended by High Times. Here are the specs.

Total Nitrogen (N)........................... 5%
1%.... water insoluble Nitrogen
4%.... Water soluble Nitrogen
Available Phosphates (P205)..................10%
Soluble Pottash (k2o)................5%
Micronutrients
Boran (B)...............0.02%
Iron (Fe)..............0.10%
Zinc (Zn)..............0.05%
Copper (Cu)...........0.05%
Manganese (Mn).........0.05%
Derived from: fish soluables, feather meal, seaweed extracts, colloidal phosphate, borax, micronutrients derived from complexed sugars of glucoheptonates of copper, manganese, and zinc.

This fertilizer is intended as a suppliment to regular fertilization program and may not, by itself provide all the nutrients normally required by or other attended plants.


WHAT IS FOX FARM OCEAN FOREST POTTING SOIL?

A powerful blend of Pacific Northwest seagoing fish, crab meal, shrimp meal, and plenty of our own earthworm castings. Fox Farm has added composted forest humus and selected peat mosses to create the optium organic medium for a versatile planting environment.

INGREDIENTS:
Composted forest humus, sphagnum peat moss, pacific northwest seagoing fish, crab meal, shrimp meal, earthworm castings, vermicultural compost, sandy loam, perlite, fossilize bat guano, granite dust, norwegian kelp meal, oyster shell.

This is the most useful information I could find on the bag. There were no breakdowns of any (micro)nutrients.

 

[supafly]

Ok guys here are the pics from tonight. There is deffinitely some overwatering going on here. Im sure thats due to them being flushed 2 times in one week.

My humidity is arownd 45%
Temp was alittle higher than most when i open the door tonight. I was only up to 83 for about 20 mins though.











These are pictures of only two of the plants displaying the curling leaves; these two are the worst.

 

[sproutco]

Noticed your ferts lack molybdenum. Sommer and Lipman discovered its essential to plants in 1926.

 

[Gamma Goblin]

The first flush solved your problem. The already clawing leaves will not uncurl but those grown since the flush are fine.

 

[supafly]

What ferts would you recamend spoutco? I am all ears.

 

[supafly]

Little to no change tonight. They're getting light but not ready for water yet.

 

[sproutco]

As far as ferts go, find one that has all the micros. Iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, and molybdenum. Molybdenum is needed in a very, very small quantity. But, it is still needed and things will be off if not included. If the regular fert has no molybdenum, you will have to find one that does. Double check. Really odd to see.

 

[supafly]

Things are looking better tonight. Seems to be very slow bud growth. Some of the Indicas are showing some light green new growth. I would guess that there are some micro nuts missing in the equation at this point. It will be another day for most the plants and longer for some of the smaller ones.

Ill be looking into having a new blooming fert by the time I feed again. As well as a ppm meter and some gypsum.

The single cola plant in the pics still seems to have some leaves on the top bud site that are not standing out, but more laying on the bud. Is this over watering? Or maybe just a trait of the strain.

Sportco: when all is running smoothly again would it be a good time to use your boron treatment, or are we to far past the begining of flower?