Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[DiscoBiscuit]

I remember history classes and learning about the Articles of Confederation, how the states had too many litigants for the dockets to hear. Litigants who were actually heard enjoyed too few laws to render judgement (and) interstate litigation had no legal basis, rendering an unmanageable interstate commerce system.

One area where all this chaos shined was the ultimate system of winners vs losers. Few, big winners from multiple, small losers

Neither the Constitution nor the AOC established the power for interstate arbitration. Supporters who advocate state courts to remedy trade disputes aren't considering how this attempt overwhelmed the states justice system (with merely intrastate disputes.)

If similar, contemporary interpretations of the commerce clause aren't applied, we'll repeat the same interstate commerce disputes we saw for 11 long years.

The truly rich can buy states far easier than federal government. Be careful what you wish for. If history is any indicator, we'll wind up with the same dysfunctions that typically mass-transfer common wealth to the top.

 

[draztik]

what's so bad about socialism anyways?

i'm pretty sure disco mentioned this already but i think it's worth mentioning again. anytime a white person says something like this, it irks me...

"I'm the only one up here and the only one in the Democratic Party that understands true racism in this country." - ron paul (old white republican from texas)

You make me SICK! I literally feel ill reading your comments. Your the racist! You want socialism? Your so dumbed down you don't even know that socialism is the first step to Communism/Fascism. If your down with that then I feel sorry for you. It's brainwashed racists such as yourself that are destroying freedom for everyone else because you don't know any better. Your entire logic is fucking poison to any open minded free thinking sentient being.

 

[ShroomDr]

You make me SICK! I literally feel ill reading your comments. Your the racist! You want socialism? Your so dumbed down you don't even know that socialism is the first step to Communism/Fascism.

Dont use your water facet, electricity, or even your cable tv, because they are all price controlled "socialist/commie" entities.


O wait, you need all those things for life? (well maybe not cable.) Do you need healthcare for life too?

IF your water company could charge you $3 a gallon, they would, capitalism is about maximizing profits.


Youre so far behind, and the Koch bros have you convinced youre in first place.

Be careful what you wish for. If history is any indicator, we'll wind up with the same dysfunctions that typically mass-transfer common wealth to the top.

This is already so, and a consequence of a tax cut for the wealthy, while engaging in wars in two countries.

What benefit did those tax cuts do for America again?

 

[draztik]

Dont use your water facet, electricity, or even your cable tv, because they are all price controlled "socialist/commie" entities.


O wait, you need all those things for life? (well maybe not cable.) Do you need healthcare for life too?

IF your water company could charge you $3 a gallon, they would, capitalism is about maximizing profits.


Youre so far behind, and the Koch bros have you convinced youre in first place.

If you think what is going on is capitalism then you're so far behind you convinced yourself your in first. Pick up a book and read don't just guzzle down the brainwashing.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

... You want socialism? Your so dumbed down you don't even know that socialism is the first step to Communism/Fascism.

Nah, far closer to a break on exorbitant, private profits. Also the macro advantage that allows you to draw temporary assistance should you be laid off through no fault of your own.

If you've ever drawn assistance you know what I'm talking about. If you pay taxes, you pay into the system so it's not like we're all giving you a freebie. Besides, temporary assistance isn't lifestyle caliber. It's about enough to temporarily keep food on your table and juggle your most important expenditures.

"Commie" is just a spook face on the individualist's argument. Pure straw man.

If your down with that then I feel sorry for you. It's brainwashed racists such as yourself that are destroying freedom for everyone else because you don't know any better. Your entire logic is fucking poison to any open minded free thinking sentient being.

IMO, freedom isn't as valuable when some folks imagine themselves more free than others, especially over a difference of opinion that a majority of Americans prefer.

Look at polls on the big three. They all enjoy super majorities. These folks are no less American than you and me.

 

[ShroomDr]

I am brainwashed huh?

Enjoy your communist shower. The price of the water and the energy used to make it hot are prices controlled. Stay as long as you like.

Seems like one of us has a grasp of reality, and another has talking points someone could pick up from Faux News.

 

[ShroomDr]

doublepost!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

If you think what is going on is capitalism then you're so far behind you convinced yourself your in first. Pick up a book and read don't just guzzle down the brainwashing.

You couldn't afford an unfettered market.

 

[ShroomDr]

and the problem is, Fox News has convinced them they can.


400 people had the same amount as 200,000,000. They will outbid you!

American is the richest country in the world.
It doesnt have the richest PEOPLE in the world.

 

[GP73LPC]

let's not forget social security, medi-care, the interstate road system, the state road systems, public schools and income tax... all socialists programs...

 

[ShroomDr]

The 'socialist' federal food program for low income school children was started in 1946 because they were having to reject too many 18 year old men from the draft.

Many of these programs are in the best interest of the rich, and they are too stupid to know it.

 

[GP73LPC]

the rich care about the dollar first and then they care about the dollar

 

[Cojito]

Cojito--yeah exactly. I do not believe in teaching religions in school but many many Americans do.

if you mean comparative religion. i'm all for it. religion is very interesting. and knowledge of the bible helps one understand great literature. but it would be a mistake to teach the bible or creationism as fact in schools. we are already falling behind in the sciences. and science is where the money is at. with Ron Paul's states rights plan, and his desire to eliminate the department of education, we would not be able to stop the free fall. don't think his conservative backers aren't salivating at the prospect.

"Who believes more states would go legal on MMJ or straight legal if the Feds were taken out of the issue"? Not asking you to read minds but I bet "Feds taken out would be a landslide", what do you think?

i think you're right. i think the majority of Americans want cannabis legal or decriminalized.

Cojito-- I respect your attempt at provoking patriotism with your comment about portraying Americans as hiding under chairs. Nice attempt to illicit emotional response.

no. not at all. i wasn't trying to provoke patriotism. i'm not very tribal. i try and argue honestly. and it wasn't my comment. it was your emoticon and words that had Americans hiding under chairs. i was only calling attention to it. you didn't seem to have a very high opinion of Americans who disagreed with you.

you've since written you were trying to show all of us growers hiding from the law. OK. that's not how it looked. but i'll take you at your word. and you're right. we are outlaws. its been that way for decades. and it has to stop. but remember it was conservatives who gave us (and perpetuate) this drug war, it was conservatives who shamefully resisted civil rights (from which much of this states rights angst derives), and it is conservatives by and and large who always resist change.

Ron Paul is a republican and a religious conservative. he wants to go back. i want to go forward. and i will not be voting for conservative republicans until they get their shit together.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

The 'socialist' federal food program for low income school children was started in 1946 because they were having to reject too many 18 year old men from the draft.

Many of these programs are in the best interest of the rich, and they are too stupid to know it.

You mean the school children who were fed lunch at school? A very low percentage of kids who benefited from being fed were actually drafted into actual battle.

 

[ShroomDr]

Their problem is lack of perspective. You cant get higher than the highest, fighting to go from the top 85% to the top 95% isnt taking from the top 15%, its done on the back of the bottom 84%. They are easier to sqeeze.

We are at a point where 1% of the poplulaton has the same worth as 95%, it makes ZERO sense for EITHER SIDE. You cant waterski behind two yachts.

Eventually the 95% will revolt, you can give back, or they will take back.

Here is a great video lecture series about Russian history.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6880575/TTC_Video_-_History_of_Russia
I recommend Ivan the Terrible though the The Time of Troubles!, but the Revolution of 1905 though Oct 1917 will also illustrate my points.

 

[ShroomDr]

You mean the school children who were fed lunch at school? A very low percentage of kids who benefited from being fed were actually drafted into actual battle.

I said rejected from the draft. Plenty of poor blacks were rejected from service in WW2, those that did serve often drove trucks, handled munitions, and worked in supplying the troops, most did not 'conduct battle', doesnt make their draft status less shitty.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Not to change the subject but the GI Bill more than tripled the number of college grads after 1945.

 

[itisme]

The real issues isn't the haves and have not's! It is the Gov't intervention into our lives from everything we put in our body like weed to now a higher tax on sugary and fatty foods. The free market should decide those things, not the Gov't. The Gov't wants to help with housing but they cause an economic crises and bail out the banks and dump it on us!

The problem is GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION that causes the issues. To equate picking winners and loser in the stock market/bank bailouts to building a road..... as a SOCIALIST PROGRAMS(city or county water, road, interstates) are programs that assist all and no one person could really build the roads nor can they monopolize them. We can all use the roads equally and are charged property taxes to pay for the local roads when buy your tag every year. We need a small governing body to do some of these functions but we are all better off when we use our State and Local resources. RP would even support all those programs but only the interstate applies to federal funding out of that grouping. We aren't against interstates. That don't violate our rights, they only enhance our society.

Medicare/caid, & Social Security do fit the socialist mold and that is why they are insolvent. The Gov't had a stockpile of SS cash and spent the fuck out of (PONZI SCHEME) while they refill it with our dollars that are already spent....Then medicare/caid are broken because individuals have no reason to apply any cost control methods and the system is corrupt (NEOCONS, SOCIALIST). That said Ron Paul isn't even going to ger rid of those programs either. He will allow the young to opt out, vs OBUMMER wanting GOVERNMENT MANDATED INSURANCE!

I advise you to YOUTUBE RON PAUL Education to see his hour long take on that! It is very insightful, as RON PAUL always is.

Well I don't have to connect HEALTHCARE to Gov't control again, do I?

 

[ShroomDr]

Incidentally, this really put the wheels in motion for an end to segregation.

Getting more people eligible for the draft essentially forced its racial integration.

Truman signed Executive Order 9981 in 1948 to end segregation in the armed forces, 1954 the last all black unit in the military is abolished, and in the mid 1960s blacks start wondering why they can die for their county in Vietnam, but not sit at a counter with a white man?

 

[ShroomDr]

The free market should decide those things,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_bubble

was a period in the Dutch Golden Age during which contract prices for bulbs of the recently introduced tulip reached extraordinarily high levels and then suddenly collapsed.[2] At the peak of tulip mania, in February 1637, some single tulip bulbs sold for more than 10 times the annual income of a skilled craftsman. It is generally considered the first recorded speculative bubble (or economic bubble).

You sir are wrong.

The free market should decide many things, but my health is not one of them.

Even a tulip market can get out of hand quickly.