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Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

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motaco

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yeah that most certainly does and is happening. but at least in the last century plots have gotten smaller and smaller and I don't think that much accidental pollenation happens, though it no doubt does on a small scale. I think mexico is picking up the indica bug for the same reason everyone else has. heavier buds and an earlier finishing time. but I do think they are purposely making hybrids, some of which are pretty good.

I am too young to have seen the colombian waves unfortunately. But they have some people that have released some better colombians. no need to risk your security. ace seeds has panama, and I forget who it is but they also sell colombian gold. and another one.

as far as looking for indoor genes from outdoor like we used to look for outdoor quality. I don't really understand what you meant. I'll need you to run that one by me again. If your asking do I think there is potential to find plants in mexi brick that will perform indoors there no doubt is some. some won't, and some ain't that potent to begin with but some will be fine indoors. about them only shipping lower quality, its a lil different than that. they are shipping everything they are growing really, best of the best included. no doubt they will snag some for personal but most of it especially the good stuff is getting sold. its just that the harvesting and shipping process really degrades it very quickly. I've heard from several mexican travelers that alot of mexican cities is full of really LOW quality schwag. because anything worth $$$ is shipped to where people have the $ to pay it. and they sell the shitty bunk weed to locals who are dirt poor. because if it was worth anything they'd sell it. but I'm sure that scenario depends on the economics of the area a good bit.

but growing any schwag beans is a REAL crapshoot. there are definitely unique winners to be found, but there are alot of losers too. the main thing is the beans are plentiful and free so for people that have space to hunt for something cool time will usually deliver.


ULTIMATE SATIVA GROW THREAD NOW UP IN GENERAL GROWERS FORUMS
~~~~~ as for the sativa growing thread I suppose since its an addition to this thread I'll start it up in general growers forum right now, but I'll have to really put the text in later. its like 1am here. lol.
 
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Herbalistic

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Raco said:
Who´s gonna start the indoor sats thread?? :biglaugh:
Two colombians:

Herbalistic thinks that Raco should :D

Alfred: I try to explain better the question you didnt understand. I was asking are you going to keep growdiary of that Vietnamese? In other words: Are you going to keep cultivation calendario/diario of that grow? I would really appreciate it!!

BTW Raco, so the moños rojos is a Colombian variety? Reason I asked is because I did smoke report of Peruvian landrace Rojo which was collected from the mountains of Peru by a friend who growed it here indoors and Lamanonegra cklarified me that the name was mono rojo, but it seems that he got it mixed with this Colombian variety...

My friend told me that the locals called this strain simply Rojo.

Damn, I miss that strain, it produced so special & intense, but clear sativa high that I havent experienced before! I still have two beans of that Peruvian erb, seeds are very pale and light colored, but I definitely give them a go in future. Here´s some pics of cured Rojo nugs:




This herb was almost ditchweed when smoked right after harvest, but when I gave her a 1.5 month cure, she did blow my mind :D + the fact that the high did last very long and did come in waves.

Here´s a link to the smoke report if someone is interested checking out:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=56353
 
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charlie garcia

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HI folks

We studied some of the peruvian skunk lines found there and other Rojo plants. I will call them better Punto Rojo as they said when I visited the country. As in other areas like in Equator they ignore funny names we call them and just call them colombian weed as best known source of seeds. There is not culture for weed... Several lines studied with the time made me think is Punto Rojo indeed related with columbian lines. Usually 16-18 weeks thin and lanky plants

They will had pay a lot for some of our hash brought there (had never seen hash) but was always hard to talk or to see plants and they were very afraid to mention the name publically. I was there when Fujimori and Montesinos years...Being a large country with plenty of different areas and climates everything is possible but I am inclined to define them like Punto Rojo which seems to be be more spread around Peru and Equator (east forest area). Never heard word Moño to call them either. Maybe in Columbia some elites would talk about some Moño Negro as a very expensive speared sativa with almost not yield.. never got to see them and I dont know if its a remember from older lines (mona amarilla, etc) or is true and still exists. Its funny becasue "moño" means different to "mono" but "ñ" is an spanish letter and not used by english spoken ppl so they will write "mono/a" instead. I guess some columbian friends could talk about this better.

Peruvian skunk seemed to be skunky line indeed but nothing special... here in the pictures. For them skunk should be best weed around.. had a great name there

Plenty of sativas need good curing before smoking ;)

best





 
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la mano negra

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http://www.cedro.org.pe/lugar/articulos/indicadores marihuana.htm

http://www.cedro.org.pe/lugar/articulos/indicadores marihuana.htm


Además, podría estarse reflejando el escenario que se forma en relación
al consumo de nuevas variedades de marihuana. Si bien el consumo de la
marihuana tradicional (“pozoña”, “moño rojo”, colombiana” etc.), se sigue dando,
en la actualidad tiende a incorporar nuevas variedades como el super skunk, big
bad, silver haze, buble gumers, el NL5xHaze, asociados a graves deterioros
entre los que se encuentran:
 
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charlie garcia

I see and I admit must exist that name for sure but I personally never heard they will call them moño rojo in Peru or in Equator but usually semillas colombianas and were related clearly to Punto Rojo. Anyway not weed culture at all so always hard to say. I heard "moño" more often from columbiams

There was another supposedly line in Peru.. maybe that pozoña or macoña or something like that... for the link you say can be that name

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Talking about sativa, my dear friend Lmn send me some a lot of sativa crosses that i´ll try with the vietnamese... this strains are:

- Lesotho * uzbeka
- Mexico*thai/ Bangui
- Manga rose * Bangui
- Angola green* Bangui

The next will be mostly sativa grow hehehehe
 
Oblidio49 said:
African Herbman!

Thanks for the compliment!!

So you like that Swazi Redbeard eh? Is it a stinky growing plant? Or does it smell a lot when curing? I know yield is not an important thing with you guys. That said, can you tell me about how big your Swazi redbeards were at harvest and about what sort of yield you got. I'm trying to get a feeling for yield on some of these so I can plan my grow...how many plants I should germ, etc.

Thanks for all the help

Obli
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Never actually grown Swazi redbeard (known as Rooibaard down here), only smoked it. I ‘m planning to grow out some seeds I got from some amazing Rooibaard a while back, as soon as my cab is ready.
I think the plants are relatively stinky when growing, the cured buds smell very pungent but the smell is not incredibly strong that you can smell it from far like some strains. It has the classic very sweet sativa smell, but with strong earthy and fuel like overtones, kind of takes your breath away if it’s been cured well.

As far as I know, the plants grow pretty tall and tree like. Most probably similar to Malawi or Durban in height and size of the plant, it is 100% sativa after all LOL.

It should have the potential to yield pretty big, I think it really depends on how long you veg them for, taking into account the longer the veg, the bigger the plant will be in it’s final stages, which for a sativa can be VERY big.

I’m sure with a very short veg time and some good training, small pot size etc you could keep them under control in you’re grow space relatively easily.

Hope this helped you even a little bit.
Regards,
Ah
 

Herbalistic

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Hóla!!!

Charlie: Friend who was there, said that the locals called this strain simply Rojo... No Puñto Rojo, or Moño Rojo, just Rojo!! This particly Rojo did take 16 weeks in flowermode to finish and would maybe give one more harvest window if letted go longer, so maybe you are in right track with Puñto Rojo heritage...

Please forgive not using the ~ on top of n, I dont know even the basics of Spanish, so it would be impossible for me to understand the meaning of it. However, it seems that you understand this.

I have only heard about Peruvian Skunk from Zamalito who really did give value to the strain. After reading your post about Peruvian Skunk lines it seems, that there really are many different PS lines if your experience wasnt so markable with them than Zam´s!

Or was Zam talking about Peruvian Red Skunk = I really cannot remember, so maybe Zam will chime in and clarifie this..

I would love to hear more about your trips in South America and maybe even some pics;)

And.. Im aware that many pure sativas need cure before revealing any of their potency. I learned this "wisdom" from this thread :yes:

Alfred, dont know much more about lamano than the well known fact that he really knows them sativa´s and makes spectacular crosses with them :yes:
 
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Hi herbalistic, this forum have very very good growers, charlie, raco, lmn, mgj, paddy, you... and more and more and more... for me it´s very special because i can learn very much, and this thread is awesome, i love the sativas thread.

Peace.
 

motaco

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yeah oddly enough so many of them do need a cure. it also cuts alot dulls that razors edge after about 6 months. (the edginess and anxiety I mean, usually declines with a cure of increasing time)

*Alright guys the grow thread is up, but I still haven't really started it.
 
Hey Motaco
I had just starting following the UST on Overgrow a few weeks before it went down. Thank You for starting it here. I've started growing again after a few years absence. In the past have grown mexican bagseed and some Oaxacan. Have always loved the trippy up high that some of them give you. I have some growing now from local brickweed which I believe are from the same batch of seeds, I will confess that my record keeping has been somewhat lax lately. I have two different pheno, one more indica looking and one more sativa looking. Is this possible? Also have you had any experience in growing Durban?, I think it should do well in this climate.
Ancient One

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Just received some compressed bud from Kenya, really nice sweet smelling nugs with orange/reddish tinge.
Tested some today – good potency with nice up high but comedown was very harsh and heavy. Left me with a killer headache. I think the bad comedown is the result of bad growing/curing and could be improved upon with a good grown and proper cure.

I was a bit disappointed with the high but it seems like it has some good potential if grown properly so I might just grow some out to see. Maybe I just smoked a bud from a crap pheno, I think I should grow out a few seeds and find a good keeper.

Pic quality is pretty bad, lighting wasn’t too good when I took them.
Here's some random bud shots:




Cheers everyone.
 

motaco

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I really want to go to a safe african canna destination. so many different strains.

@ ancient. yeah its totally possible. they could have two completely different fathers, even strain wise, in the same bud. pollen floats you know. but more likely its just got a touch of indica in its history somewhere. they show up periodically in alot of sativas now. most aren't completely pure, but could be bred near pure pretty easily. alot of them seem like it might have been in them several generations ago.

and I gotta say I remember in the mid 90's -00 I remember seeing alot more indica pheno schwag. and I don't hardly ever see that nowadays. but the genes are still floating in alot of the gene pool.


PHOTO CONTEST

you guys probably saw me say it in the other thread but I put up a new thread in flower pix for sativas. I have chamans sativas up on the first page to grab peoples attention but I'd like a few new ones for the new thread as eye candy too.

so if you got some shots to share that'd be awesome.

link to contest
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=66658
 
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Motaco et al:

What a good bunch of guys y'all are. Thanks for doing all that you do. I know there a lot of people like me who will appreciate the effort.

Thanks

Obli
 

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They're more of the alleged Thai 'sticks', though it was discussed a while ago that it might actually be Cambodian. No matter, as it's great stuff, but they're not sticks either, more compressed 'cobs' - very hard and dense, and all bud. These are bigger than the one I got a few months ago, and more irregular too, with lots more of the silk thread.
 

motaco

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wow those are actual import weed? you didn't make that yourself?

funny I was talking to a guy about thai stick the other day. too cool.
 
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