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Herbalistic:
I know the info is probably in here somewhere, but would you please briefly summarize the details of that gorgeous OH x Sk#1 plant above?
1. Seedling or clone?
2. How long did you veg it and what lighting?
3. How big is that plant? Pot size(s) you used? Hard to tell in those pics.
4. How long has it been in flower? What nute schedule for veg & flower?
5. What do you estimate the yield might be?
6. Could this strain be grown 12/12 from seed?
I'm starting my grow of Thai-Tanic, Satori, and Cali Orange this weekend. It'll be a 12/12 from seed. I need to build my stash for my g/f and I before I can afford the luxury of a grow that may take 4 months plus and maybe not yield very much. My g/f is a "de facto" medical user. She has a perscription for some very heavy duty pain meds, but says weed is almost as good and she can "function" much better with weed. I have also vowed to never buy weed again from dealers.I'm growing my own from now on.
I may have made an error buying that Malawi Gold. From what I know now, it looks like Malawi Gold will get too big, even if 12/12 from seed...for my Hydrohut mini (1 sq. Meter x 78"...max plant height is about 4feet) . Bummer. I'm hoping Durban poison will be ok in the mini.
That's part of why I was asking about that OH x Sk1. I wouldn't be so concerned about yield if I had more grow space. I'm just trying to figure out a grow plan that will enable me to NOT run out. I'm finding out it won't be easy.
Thanks to you and all you folks for the great thread.
obli
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I began my next grow diary tonight when I began germinating my seeds. I hope some of you will help me out along the way
I know the info is probably in here somewhere, but would you please briefly summarize the details of that gorgeous OH x Sk#1 plant above?
1. Seedling or clone?
2. How long did you veg it and what lighting?
3. How big is that plant? Pot size(s) you used? Hard to tell in those pics.
4. How long has it been in flower? What nute schedule for veg & flower?
5. What do you estimate the yield might be?
6. Could this strain be grown 12/12 from seed?
I'm starting my grow of Thai-Tanic, Satori, and Cali Orange this weekend. It'll be a 12/12 from seed. I need to build my stash for my g/f and I before I can afford the luxury of a grow that may take 4 months plus and maybe not yield very much. My g/f is a "de facto" medical user. She has a perscription for some very heavy duty pain meds, but says weed is almost as good and she can "function" much better with weed. I have also vowed to never buy weed again from dealers.I'm growing my own from now on.
I may have made an error buying that Malawi Gold. From what I know now, it looks like Malawi Gold will get too big, even if 12/12 from seed...for my Hydrohut mini (1 sq. Meter x 78"...max plant height is about 4feet) . Bummer. I'm hoping Durban poison will be ok in the mini.
That's part of why I was asking about that OH x Sk1. I wouldn't be so concerned about yield if I had more grow space. I'm just trying to figure out a grow plan that will enable me to NOT run out. I'm finding out it won't be easy.
Thanks to you and all you folks for the great thread.
obli
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I began my next grow diary tonight when I began germinating my seeds. I hope some of you will help me out along the way
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@petal: She´s now in 7 L pot. She is flowered under 250 W hps with couple other bonsaimonsters and she´s 97 days in floweringlightcycle yesterday, when I took the pics!
@Oblidio49:
1. Clone
2. I dont have exact vegtime to tell you, but she was about couple months in veg. She was tortured in veg by mites and didnt look like a stunner while veggin. She was under 110 W envirolite in veg. Summary = mites really tortured this one, but it all changed in flowering, because of this "magic" aircleaner I have, which erase mite´s!!!!
3. She´s about ½ metre in height. She was in 3 L, or 3½ L pot her whole vegtime, but I transplanted her in 7 L pot a wwek before putting her in flowering!
4. She had been 97 days in floweringcycle yesterday, when I took those pics and is going down today or tomorrow. I cannot give you specific nuteschedule, but I tryed to read the plant considering nutes. So, she received nutes in veg when she needed them. One thing I have observed is that she is quite eater in veg.
In flowermode, I did observe her also, but generally I started with very low phosphorous and did raise it throught flowering and give almost exact amount of N from start to middleflowering. After midflowering, I slowly decreased N and lift P doses. The last two feedings, she received only big doses of P, which did burn sunleafs off, but I did know that. One more thing is that I did alternately feed & water her for the whole floweringtime + I flushed the medium every three weeks minimum, sometimes every other week.
+ at least every two weeks, she received doses of roots supliment & medium healer in very small doses.. I hope this helped you even little..
5. Man, this is a subject that I have to say I dont estimate shit
However, couple weeks ago she looked like she is going to give me good yield, but now I have noticed she hasnt filled her buds too solid, so I dont wanna say nothing to this subject. I think she gives me more than ok yield. Lasttime I runned her, I harvested the upper plant in 118 days and the buds were more solid, the part that was left I harvested in 140 days :jawdrop: This is how she looked after 118 days lasttime:
6. I dont have personal experience about this, but my honest answer would be that this strain could be easily put into 12/12 from seed.
Damn, I really couldnt afford to reply this long at the moment, so I really hope you guys founded this reply useful, even little...
EDIT: I think you will manage to finish that MG in your space Oblidio, but it just needs some training!
Have to go now
@petal: She´s now in 7 L pot. She is flowered under 250 W hps with couple other bonsaimonsters and she´s 97 days in floweringlightcycle yesterday, when I took the pics!
@Oblidio49:
1. Clone
2. I dont have exact vegtime to tell you, but she was about couple months in veg. She was tortured in veg by mites and didnt look like a stunner while veggin. She was under 110 W envirolite in veg. Summary = mites really tortured this one, but it all changed in flowering, because of this "magic" aircleaner I have, which erase mite´s!!!!
3. She´s about ½ metre in height. She was in 3 L, or 3½ L pot her whole vegtime, but I transplanted her in 7 L pot a wwek before putting her in flowering!
4. She had been 97 days in floweringcycle yesterday, when I took those pics and is going down today or tomorrow. I cannot give you specific nuteschedule, but I tryed to read the plant considering nutes. So, she received nutes in veg when she needed them. One thing I have observed is that she is quite eater in veg.
In flowermode, I did observe her also, but generally I started with very low phosphorous and did raise it throught flowering and give almost exact amount of N from start to middleflowering. After midflowering, I slowly decreased N and lift P doses. The last two feedings, she received only big doses of P, which did burn sunleafs off, but I did know that. One more thing is that I did alternately feed & water her for the whole floweringtime + I flushed the medium every three weeks minimum, sometimes every other week.
+ at least every two weeks, she received doses of roots supliment & medium healer in very small doses.. I hope this helped you even little..
5. Man, this is a subject that I have to say I dont estimate shit
However, couple weeks ago she looked like she is going to give me good yield, but now I have noticed she hasnt filled her buds too solid, so I dont wanna say nothing to this subject. I think she gives me more than ok yield. Lasttime I runned her, I harvested the upper plant in 118 days and the buds were more solid, the part that was left I harvested in 140 days :jawdrop: This is how she looked after 118 days lasttime:
6. I dont have personal experience about this, but my honest answer would be that this strain could be easily put into 12/12 from seed.
Damn, I really couldnt afford to reply this long at the moment, so I really hope you guys founded this reply useful, even little...
EDIT: I think you will manage to finish that MG in your space Oblidio, but it just needs some training!
Have to go now
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[Thai x Mexico] x Banghi #'s 1, 3 and 4:
TMB#2 male shedding its pollen...
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Herbalistic:
Thanks for all the info. I appreciate you taking the time to tell us. I never was much for Bonsai type growing but maybe I should learn.
The other thing is I didn't think cannabis liked to be pot bound. 7 liters is a "tiny" pot it seems to me. I would think the plants wouldn't like being potbound. OR is it that being pot bound helps to force flowering?
Do you just keep trimming and pruning to keeep the plant small?
Thanks and anyone may chime in!
Obli
Thanks for all the info. I appreciate you taking the time to tell us. I never was much for Bonsai type growing but maybe I should learn.
The other thing is I didn't think cannabis liked to be pot bound. 7 liters is a "tiny" pot it seems to me. I would think the plants wouldn't like being potbound. OR is it that being pot bound helps to force flowering?
Do you just keep trimming and pruning to keeep the plant small?
Thanks and anyone may chime in!
Obli
Oblidio49, yes, keeping the sativas pot-bound helps keep the size down, as well as help prompt the plants into flowering. I would do a minimum of trimming to avoid stress. Better to bend and tie. :wink:
Off-topic- just wondering where Breeder's Choice has gone? HHF has deleted his acct and Dutchgrown has binned the forum.
Thought that shit-storm would blow over, but w/ the continued unavailability of product, maybe for the best?
I have the utmost respect for most of all involved w/ BC, hope they land on their feet.
Feeling left in the dark...
Off-topic- just wondering where Breeder's Choice has gone? HHF has deleted his acct and Dutchgrown has binned the forum.
Thought that shit-storm would blow over, but w/ the continued unavailability of product, maybe for the best?
I have the utmost respect for most of all involved w/ BC, hope they land on their feet.
Feeling left in the dark...
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Oblidio: I used 3 litre pot for entire vegtime and transplanted in 7 litre pot a week before the change of lightcycle, so I think it received enough rootspace!
I dont trim my plants, maybe in early flowering, or before inducing flowering, but general no. This plant was topped once and constantly bended & binded to keep her in reasonable height!!! You can do the same with your Malawi´s if they get too big. Nowadays, I dont bind & bend that much, I just simply pinch the top / tops and bend them little, but I dont bind them anymore. This is just as effective method to make the plant branch more, but it doesnt offer much help for keeping them plants small...
HL: I also noticed that BC has gone.
I dont trim my plants, maybe in early flowering, or before inducing flowering, but general no. This plant was topped once and constantly bended & binded to keep her in reasonable height!!! You can do the same with your Malawi´s if they get too big. Nowadays, I dont bind & bend that much, I just simply pinch the top / tops and bend them little, but I dont bind them anymore. This is just as effective method to make the plant branch more, but it doesnt offer much help for keeping them plants small...
HL: I also noticed that BC has gone.
Mad Scientist
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Hmm this is odd... I can't access the last page of this thread, only by clicking 'reply' directly from my subscribed threads list.
I've gone from 1 litre pots to 3 litre pots for the Ecuadorians and Haze Special and they're still in there at this time. The Haze is about 110 centimeters tall now, measured from the edge of the pot, and has only just started to show some preflowering signs. Apart from some yellowing lower leaves it doesn't seem to be restricted in its growth as far as height's concerned. It would have probably been a lot 'branchier' in a larger pot but now it's developed a single main stem instead. It's a bit of a tower, let's wait and see if there will be an inferno as well... :wink:
I've gone from 1 litre pots to 3 litre pots for the Ecuadorians and Haze Special and they're still in there at this time. The Haze is about 110 centimeters tall now, measured from the edge of the pot, and has only just started to show some preflowering signs. Apart from some yellowing lower leaves it doesn't seem to be restricted in its growth as far as height's concerned. It would have probably been a lot 'branchier' in a larger pot but now it's developed a single main stem instead. It's a bit of a tower, let's wait and see if there will be an inferno as well... :wink:
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This just fascinates me, the noob that I am!! My plants were in 18 liter pots!!!! when they finished. 2 of the 4 were just over 4 feet tall. Two were just under.
How a plant 110cm can grow in a 3 liter pot? Thats such a tiny pot!! I know that you guys grow them in those tiny pots, but I haven't quite grasped how you do it.
I can't wait to try growing a 100% sativa. For now, I have to settle for the hybrids I began this weekend.
I really want to know more about the day to day care you do to keep those plants so small. I mean you can tie and train but that plant "wants" to be 3 meters. I'm trying to reconcile the plant's genetic desire to be 3 meters and what a grower has to do to temper that genetic urge....without killing the plant
Are there any good links or other reads on how to manage the growth of these sativas?
thanks and I love this thread.
Obli
How a plant 110cm can grow in a 3 liter pot? Thats such a tiny pot!! I know that you guys grow them in those tiny pots, but I haven't quite grasped how you do it.
I can't wait to try growing a 100% sativa. For now, I have to settle for the hybrids I began this weekend.
I really want to know more about the day to day care you do to keep those plants so small. I mean you can tie and train but that plant "wants" to be 3 meters. I'm trying to reconcile the plant's genetic desire to be 3 meters and what a grower has to do to temper that genetic urge....without killing the plant
Are there any good links or other reads on how to manage the growth of these sativas?
thanks and I love this thread.
Obli
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I'm guessing that the largest pot I use only holds about 3 litres??I only get Sativa bagseed here and can only comment on sativas.Sativas seem to do well in small pots,and I've only had a few that filled a 2 litre coke bottle to the point of being root bound.Most of my bagseed sativas do well and barely fill their 2 or 3 litre sized pots.My largest-buding variety seems to grow as large in a 2-litter Coke bottle as it does in a 3-4 litre pot.
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I should add that I grow scrog style in a 2x4' space.I can allow my plants to grow to about 24" long under my 150hps.Sounds strange growing Sativas in so little space,but if you grow out enough varieties you will find some that do just fine in such confinements,under such a weak light.I've recently begun trying some of my varieties under the 12/12 from seed method and have been pleasantly surprised at some of the results.At last I've found a way to fill in the empty spaces that seem to haunt my grows.
A quick question;does anyone else here grow scrog style without topping??All but one of my Sativas are low yeilders and topping seems to decrease yeild without that one main cola.But I grow mainly from seed,only occasionly from clone.Peace
Edit;
I should add that I grow scrog style in a 2x4' space.I can allow my plants to grow to about 24" long under my 150hps.Sounds strange growing Sativas in so little space,but if you grow out enough varieties you will find some that do just fine in such confinements,under such a weak light.I've recently begun trying some of my varieties under the 12/12 from seed method and have been pleasantly surprised at some of the results.At last I've found a way to fill in the empty spaces that seem to haunt my grows.
A quick question;does anyone else here grow scrog style without topping??All but one of my Sativas are low yeilders and topping seems to decrease yeild without that one main cola.But I grow mainly from seed,only occasionly from clone.Peace
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Motoco I hope you don't mind my diving into your thread,but I gotta say thanks.About a thousand pages back,first page I think,you mention that us growers here in the S.E. mainly get Sativas instead of Indicas.You are 100% correct,at least in my world.I knew it sub-conciously but you were the first to put it in words that made myself and some other growers understand it.We really never gave thought to what we have and I've personally only recently named and SAVED my first variety.Hell,I never gave a thought to the origins,only the finished product.
Now I'm addicted.I wanna find that one variety that none of you guys have.And I think I've found it.But I've gotta play with it a little and see if I can increase yeild and make the purpling cover the whole plant instead of just the backside of the leaves,while keeping the 2-toke potency that I've grown so fond of.
But I wouldn't have it any other way.Oh,I've smoked Indicas and am just screaming at everyone I know for seed.But so far no luck.Some addictions we just don't wanna beat.
In the beginning was Sativa.I have no doubts about that.I could turn you on to a variety that,although a low yeilder,the rock-hard nuggets produce a taste of primordial swamp-land.A taste of chocolate and soil unlike anything you have ever experienced.It just taste like an ancient variety and I'm proud to have such genetics.After only a week of drying it produces a buzz that knits your eyebrows and makes you suddenly understand the theory of relativity.It also has the curious effect of making you threaten folks if they ever use the phrase "Git 'er Done" again.God,I get so sick of seeing and hearing that.
I have only one large budding variety that I don't think is a hybrid.I believe it is a pure sativa.It isn't what I would condider very potent,but then again it is.It's very strange.If I smoke it fresh from the microwave,it makes my heart do double-time and my thoughts race.Very uncomfortable for someone with anxiety/deppression crap.I have pics in my gallery that I can't post for some reason.It's the red haired one with the peter.Later on,about an hour after smoking it,a second wave hits me,and if I miscalculated and smoked too much,I WILL HAVE to lay down.My head spins so much.But that changes with a month of cure and the palpitations cease,but the bad assed second wave still hits.
Sativas are all I know,and now I'm proud to be identifying and saving genetics that do well in my safe house.Next,I hope to find out how well they handle this southern heat.In the olden days,most of our bagseed Sativas handled this temperate climate just fine,wonder if thats changed in the last decade?
Thanks to everyone for this fountain of information.It has literally turned my whole world around.I have also almost identified some of my genes as possibly columbian and other assorted places.Peace
Now I'm addicted.I wanna find that one variety that none of you guys have.And I think I've found it.But I've gotta play with it a little and see if I can increase yeild and make the purpling cover the whole plant instead of just the backside of the leaves,while keeping the 2-toke potency that I've grown so fond of.
But I wouldn't have it any other way.Oh,I've smoked Indicas and am just screaming at everyone I know for seed.But so far no luck.Some addictions we just don't wanna beat.
In the beginning was Sativa.I have no doubts about that.I could turn you on to a variety that,although a low yeilder,the rock-hard nuggets produce a taste of primordial swamp-land.A taste of chocolate and soil unlike anything you have ever experienced.It just taste like an ancient variety and I'm proud to have such genetics.After only a week of drying it produces a buzz that knits your eyebrows and makes you suddenly understand the theory of relativity.It also has the curious effect of making you threaten folks if they ever use the phrase "Git 'er Done" again.God,I get so sick of seeing and hearing that.
I have only one large budding variety that I don't think is a hybrid.I believe it is a pure sativa.It isn't what I would condider very potent,but then again it is.It's very strange.If I smoke it fresh from the microwave,it makes my heart do double-time and my thoughts race.Very uncomfortable for someone with anxiety/deppression crap.I have pics in my gallery that I can't post for some reason.It's the red haired one with the peter.Later on,about an hour after smoking it,a second wave hits me,and if I miscalculated and smoked too much,I WILL HAVE to lay down.My head spins so much.But that changes with a month of cure and the palpitations cease,but the bad assed second wave still hits.
Sativas are all I know,and now I'm proud to be identifying and saving genetics that do well in my safe house.Next,I hope to find out how well they handle this southern heat.In the olden days,most of our bagseed Sativas handled this temperate climate just fine,wonder if thats changed in the last decade?
Thanks to everyone for this fountain of information.It has literally turned my whole world around.I have also almost identified some of my genes as possibly columbian and other assorted places.Peace
thanks for the detailed reply Herbalistic
like Mad Scientist , i also had trouble
accessing the last page of this thread ,
untill today .
small pots seem to be the way to go indoors.
your OH x SK#1 looks all the way more impressive
now i know its was grown under 110 W envirolite
did you flower it under that too ?
many thanks
regards
petal
like Mad Scientist , i also had trouble
accessing the last page of this thread ,
untill today .
small pots seem to be the way to go indoors.
your OH x SK#1 looks all the way more impressive
now i know its was grown under 110 W envirolite
did you flower it under that too ?
many thanks
regards
petal
Mad Scientist
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High Obli! I'd have to admit the Haze Special is a hybrid as well, but so far mine seems to lean to the sativa side. The downside of growing outdoors in tiny pots is that because of the extended growth period they tend to get rootbound very quickly. Besides, now that the weather turned for the good over here keeping the pots moist enough is becoming a bit of a problem. They evaporate very, very quickly and after watering them this morning I returned home tonight to find the Haze with half of its leaves hanging down again already. Here's a pic I took just now, the leaves still hanging a little and a puddle of water beneath the pot to bring some relief.Oblidio49 said:
It's not that the plants really like what I'm doing to them, but it sure limits their size and probably promotes quicker flowering. You can clearly tell the plant's extracting nitrogen from its lower leaves now, but as far as I'm concerned that's all in the game. I deliberately put them on a nitrogen-low diet so that's what I get. If you want to avoid any deficiencies you'll have to prevent any rain from flushing the pots and add nutes on a regular basis, though burning them is very easy this way as well. There's so little buffer in the pots that any overferting will have immediate effects on the plants, so I'm trying to stay under that limit without starving them. If you want plants that will stay nice and green throughout the entire grow this may not be your favourite tactic, because the balance is so easily disturbed. At the outdoor location I'm growing sativas aren't very likely to finish at all, but normally a plant like the one I posted should still develop nice buds later on despite the yellowing leaves. Indoors growing in small pots should actually be a lot easier since you're the one in charge of the daylength.
@petal: I sent the staff a report yesterday. Apparently they've fixed it now.
Mad Scientist
plants looking good , considering :smile:
have you thought of shielding the pot
from the sun with something white/reflective,
would help to keep the roots cooler.
also a larger reservoir for the pots
to sit in, might help with the wilting
keep them filled with water and treat
it like a bottom fed hydro system
not criticizing
just some suggestions
regards
petal
plants looking good , considering :smile:
have you thought of shielding the pot
from the sun with something white/reflective,
would help to keep the roots cooler.
also a larger reservoir for the pots
to sit in, might help with the wilting
keep them filled with water and treat
it like a bottom fed hydro system
not criticizing
just some suggestions
regards
petal
Mad Scientist
Member
No offense taken Petal, thanks for the input.
You're right about shielding the pots from the sun. I considered using panda-foil, but I hate it when the roots start growing above the ground. I've tried it before and I couldn't prevent it from happening. For better ventilation I'd like to take the foil off when it's not really necessary, but I'm away from home too often to constantly guard them. It would have also prevented the pots from getting too wet earlier this season though.
And I should've white-chalked the pots. That would have taken at least some heat away... I can still do that of course...
There's a pretty thick layer of hydrocorals on the bottom of the pots, so I'm off to the garden shop for some bigger cups to act as a reservoir! 
Sorry for hijacking some of your thread's bandwidth Motaco. I wouldn't want to be the blot on it, so please do tell me if this is going in the wrong direction.
You're right about shielding the pots from the sun. I considered using panda-foil, but I hate it when the roots start growing above the ground. I've tried it before and I couldn't prevent it from happening. For better ventilation I'd like to take the foil off when it's not really necessary, but I'm away from home too often to constantly guard them. It would have also prevented the pots from getting too wet earlier this season though.
And I should've white-chalked the pots. That would have taken at least some heat away... I can still do that of course...
There's a pretty thick layer of hydrocorals on the bottom of the pots, so I'm off to the garden shop for some bigger cups to act as a reservoir!
Sorry for hijacking some of your thread's bandwidth Motaco. I wouldn't want to be the blot on it, so please do tell me if this is going in the wrong direction.
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The Breeder's Choice lines are still available from their site and bbay. The BC forum closed due to a money dispute, not 'negativity'.
Hahaha, after a few months my pure hazes are starting to mature, been away for a while had too much shit to do but I'll snap a few pics of the buds asap, both smell very nice and have a load of stinky hazy trichomes, the bushier one smells like mexico.
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