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Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread
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raho... i'll never give up...
to quote that great American mike Tyson, rite before he bitoff part of holyfields ear...
I have not yet begun to fight...
One of my friends just did exactly that (SE Asia ganja expedition.)
Another friend returned from Thailand with a batch of seeds he though showed promise 4 years ago and is working hybrids from them now. It is happening all around you even if you are unable to do it.
Just to add one more thing. Since you mentioned SSH.
Today. many people think of the Haze hybrid lines from MNS/Sensi as the peak of available sativa genetics. It is certainly great herb, powerful, tasty, etc. I've smoked many examples of Nev's, SSH, Jack Herer, etc. After a while, the phenos at the top of the range all begin to seem very similar, and frankly, they do not remind me of the best qualities of the seedy, stemmy herb we used to buy way back when. The NL and skunk have a big impact, but even beyond that, there is something missing in the line (for my head anyway.)
I would just like to suggest you go off the beaten MNS/Sensi path and see if the road less traveled introduces you to something that pushes your buttons.
Regarding the idea that heavily seeding the buds may bring back the effects you seek . . .
DJ Short suggests in his book that seeded weed has a character that is different than sinse, and that it may be related to "the magic" (my term.)
I tend to disagree. For all his intelligence, occasionally DJ says things in that book that are superstitious and silly, like saying that seeds that have a hard time cracking the shell produce some of the best plants. Really? Base selection on how the seed sprouts?
Imagine how an inexperienced kid, growing his first crop after reading that book would become excited about a plant that struggled with the shell, giving that plant priority in selection simply because of that issue, that in all likelihood is not linked in any way to the chemotype of the plant. Not cool.
Same thing with seeded bud.
I can see less resin, less flower mass, different maturation cycle, different ability to defend against environmental threats, etc.
However, I do not see how getting knocked up is going to change the chemotype of the plant.
I would expect dry sift from seeded buds and sinse (cuttings from the same mother plant grown identically in the same conditions) to be nearly identical.
Veg matter will be different, terpenes may be different, the amount of resin and the maturation cycle will probably be different, but different cannabinoid ratios of resin harvested at the same stage of maturity?
Not likely.
That's just my untested perspective on that.
Is this sativa enough for you guys !? 
Yep.... that will do it....
Raho, your Passion for all of this is so tangible and tasty. You are definitely on track and headed to the Station.
Hold on to your seat.....the masses are coming, and the Trainmeister wants to stamp your ticket.
I'll second that!
I mean it makes sense too, they're just the combination of what? - 5 or 6 good phenos from more or less the same source. Hardly a world of diversity. Which is not to take anything away from them, in their pioneering role.
But things move on, yaknow...
And I do have MNS crosses with other sativas that are rather good.
And it's not just DJ.
There are many "acknowledged experts" who on ocassion sprout such diamonds. Many of them a lot closer to home. I can only hope they were really stoned at the time.
However, I am more than thrilled to see that the cannabis forums are at last starting to offer some serious myth-busting.
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Quote of the month, if not of the year!
Chopping her now!
Chopping her now!
303 - From https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=36181&page=536#8031
I'd have left her a couple of weeks more, but she's starting to bolt.
My fault, I guess, I was forced to move her from 14/10 to 12/12.
About 14-15 weeks, all told, but under a weird schedule which would be more like the equivalent of 16-17 weeks. The good thing is that despite the funny lighting regimes she never misbehaved or thew any nanners. Good 303, very good, pat, pat! I maintain a related grow-thread on the MNS site.
I reckon about an ounce from a 5 litre pot, so not too bad for a test grow.
Looking forward to tasting it!
Chopping her now!
303 - From https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=36181&page=536#8031
I'd have left her a couple of weeks more, but she's starting to bolt.
My fault, I guess, I was forced to move her from 14/10 to 12/12.
About 14-15 weeks, all told, but under a weird schedule which would be more like the equivalent of 16-17 weeks. The good thing is that despite the funny lighting regimes she never misbehaved or thew any nanners. Good 303, very good, pat, pat! I maintain a related grow-thread on the MNS site.
I reckon about an ounce from a 5 litre pot, so not too bad for a test grow.
Looking forward to tasting it!
Rite on Zach!
Follow your heart and the path will rise to meet you.
I liked when he said:
"Everybody has a plan, till they get punched in the face."
He seemed so unstoppable back then. I felt sorry for his opponents. The ear bite made him seem weaker to me.
Boy I hear this one loud and clear. It took me too long to get back on that path, too many distractions along the way. I think that's why you don't hear people raving about these old strains, not many have the resources, patience, or will to see it through to the end in the proper style even with the available lines.
I'm still trying to get there myself brother (back on the path, not the genetics.)
A fortune cookie taped to my monitor says:
"Keep true to the dreams of your youth."
If it was only that easy
Dirty Mitten Mystery Sativa aka Elle, @ day 116, I really gotta give her a better name lol guess that'll come after the smoke, she's sparkling like diamonds now and smells like a metallic, spicy peanut oil ...???? Anyway the countdown has begun!!
The seeds were originally from FET of Spice Brothers, alas available no more.
The ones I'm doing are from a repro. They breed fairly true as far as I've seen. Yes, it was based on PNG with some subsequent work in Oz.
There are a few old threads on ic if you care to search.
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I recently grew some Ace Panama. It's a 100% pure sativa cross of several Panamanian IBL strains. I believe there is also some Colombian Punto Rojo in there as well. I didn't get any shots of her growing which is a shame since she was a beautiful plant. She grew fast and was quite bug resistant but a bit finicky about nutes and ph. After roughly a month of veg and around 12 weeks of flower she stood about 6 ft tall minus the pot and without any training. The buds are extremely airy but heavily frosted and large. The main cola was a 2 foot long spiral of wispy blue tinted bud with dark rust colored hairs that was about 6 inches thick. I took her down a bit early with by most standards as I prefer cleaner and more energetic effects to more heavy and narcotic ones.
In flower she smelled extremely strongly of pure lemon pinesol, an absolutely amazing aroma. After drying and a little bit of a cure the lemon citrus smells have faded a bit and more complex woodsy incense undertones have become noticeable. They are wonderful aromas.
The effect is where this plant shines. It's happy and very upbeat with a very strong sense of well being and euphoria. It fills you with creative energy yet is still relaxed and fun at the same time. It's a bit like floating along on a warm sunny day in a hot air balloon. It is quite unique and was not what I expected. It's definitely different from a typical haze offering and has a much more friendly effect. I find it quite motivating in small doses. As far as quality of effect goes I would place her in my top 3 favorites of all time.
Potency is also very good. Although not the strongest I have tried it is certainly not to be underestimated and I have yet to find the ceiling.
As far as medical properties go, it is very good for depression in low doses and works well on migraines and nausea as well. I also get moderate pain relief which is rare in a pure sativa. Beware this strain is not good for insomnia. It may even keep one up at night.
All on all she is probably the best keeper I have found to date. Her effect alone would have ensured her a place in my garden for years to come.
Here are some quick pics of a few dried buds from midway up the plant after they have had a good hair cut.
In flower she smelled extremely strongly of pure lemon pinesol, an absolutely amazing aroma. After drying and a little bit of a cure the lemon citrus smells have faded a bit and more complex woodsy incense undertones have become noticeable. They are wonderful aromas.
The effect is where this plant shines. It's happy and very upbeat with a very strong sense of well being and euphoria. It fills you with creative energy yet is still relaxed and fun at the same time. It's a bit like floating along on a warm sunny day in a hot air balloon. It is quite unique and was not what I expected. It's definitely different from a typical haze offering and has a much more friendly effect. I find it quite motivating in small doses. As far as quality of effect goes I would place her in my top 3 favorites of all time.
Potency is also very good. Although not the strongest I have tried it is certainly not to be underestimated and I have yet to find the ceiling.
As far as medical properties go, it is very good for depression in low doses and works well on migraines and nausea as well. I also get moderate pain relief which is rare in a pure sativa. Beware this strain is not good for insomnia. It may even keep one up at night.
All on all she is probably the best keeper I have found to date. Her effect alone would have ensured her a place in my garden for years to come.
Here are some quick pics of a few dried buds from midway up the plant after they have had a good hair cut.
^^ The Hatter
my experience with acf panama was it makes great hybrids. my panama/angola red and panama/choco chiba were both excellent. up, energetic, clean high effects. potent smoke. great for personal smoke. complex terpenes. good frost. no mold/bud rot issues in a wet cold flowering year. good sized colas; not too big, not too small. good yields. lemon smell was present in buds. i haven't posted pics. yet but simialr to pics.above, little denser in the hybrids. no long cure time necessary either. i was running a red leaning panama mom in the hybrids and did not take her to amber.
my experience with acf panama was it makes great hybrids. my panama/angola red and panama/choco chiba were both excellent. up, energetic, clean high effects. potent smoke. great for personal smoke. complex terpenes. good frost. no mold/bud rot issues in a wet cold flowering year. good sized colas; not too big, not too small. good yields. lemon smell was present in buds. i haven't posted pics. yet but simialr to pics.above, little denser in the hybrids. no long cure time necessary either. i was running a red leaning panama mom in the hybrids and did not take her to amber.
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