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Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread
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...and just what do you expect to do with THOSE?....
How to get back on track, Raco, and love the leaf prints. That one on the rgt HAS to be a Deep Chunk.
How to get back on track, Raco, and love the leaf prints. That one on the rgt HAS to be a Deep Chunk.
"...and just what do you expect to do with THOSE?...."
jejej compadre....
Afghani fem.(DC) x Colombian male...i.e. :wink:
and yes,its DC I was cleanig up the house and I found all these old leaves
Many were broken...
instrument (obhoe) and pentagrams
jejej compadre....
Afghani fem.(DC) x Colombian male...i.e. :wink:
and yes,its DC
I was cleanig up the house and I found all these old leavesMany were broken...
instrument (obhoe) and pentagrams
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medical_shed
Kc Brain's Brain's Damage, acapulco x hawaiian x kc 636 x mango or Acapulco x Leda Uno x Mango x KC 636 not sure? seen different lineages.
This has been 12/12 for a couple of weeks just one plant LST'd.
This is the top of one that is in it's 14th week of flowering now.
In the last couple of weeks they've loads of new growth has started at the tips, they've grown another inch or two so I'm bringing the light time down and have girdled a couple as an experiment.
I took a bud that wasn't getting light, purple tint on the bottom of calyxes is from cold I think.
sorry about everything being yellow, HPS and rubbish camera.
Love this thread BTW
This has been 12/12 for a couple of weeks just one plant LST'd.
This is the top of one that is in it's 14th week of flowering now.
In the last couple of weeks they've loads of new growth has started at the tips, they've grown another inch or two so I'm bringing the light time down and have girdled a couple as an experiment.
I took a bud that wasn't getting light, purple tint on the bottom of calyxes is from cold I think.
sorry about everything being yellow, HPS and rubbish camera.
Love this thread BTW
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Dalaihempy
Hola Dalaihempy Must say I ignore much of the past or sources of some of the hazes worked here coming from the OT lines... in fact, must say we concentrated ourselves only in growing plants and gardening as legends wont help on this . OT hazes are all or mostly just sativa lines as far as I saw from the 40 seeds I got from Wolfman, seems not much indica inside or not visible traits about it. We worked of trying to restore the best we could with traits and individuals we found.. being again widely spreaded I hope can give the chance to many others to explore and select for special individuals if any chance and go for some outbreeding from the beginning and again. Numbers are needed to find special ones and I hope ppl will ever understand how hard can be to achieve such original "dutch" quality hybrids.
Hiya charlie never chatted to you or coresponded with you but have heard and read your name in the past and only good was ever sed about you so you have my respect.
I only post what i know to be correct if im rong i will say it see for me history in both the genetics being the strain or strain lines used in a given hybreed and breeding info as in people that worket it and or helpet preserve it and basicly all thats relevent i feel is importent as we all know the canna community has more myths and lets call them stretchet facts instead of lies lol.
Im not going to single out the ot1 sativa line as its pointless it may be a very special sativa and smoke as such i just feel that its rong to say the australians / americans / canadians and others that did do the real work on haze not get the thanks they realy deserve thats it and for it to be haze it had to come from the brothers.
I know what i know becouse i took the time to research i conected all the dots and i also asket questions it took me years of research i have been growing for decades but i had no idear of the history on modern lines why i feel its importent becouse i have seen some in this community over the past years trying real hard to change the real facts of the past to better there self gain thats fact mate and agine im not going to name or point fingers but thats what happens wen things get sed by people that had no role in things are were not there and involved in breeding of a given line.
I cant speeck for all the breeders but i know a few are more than willing to help if they can if you ask and go about it the right way.
Seems 90's work done was more focused in refining/reselecting this hybrids more than creating new lines from the beginning. Being sativa grower and smoker for decades I always missed more sativas in bank catalogues, whatever nationality they are coming from. Looking at old catalogues you can see what I mean... This is something I always missed so much in commercial scene... real breeding, real numbers, selection, selection and selection.... time, time, time... to have the chance to create original hybrids from original tools (lines). everything goes too fast nowdays.... Job done then in scene you talk was so great and so deep that gave life to well known original hybrids but seems this real breeding is not done anymore around. Pioneers in dutch scene worth all my deep respect for huge and original labour done...
charlie i know from what i have been told in the dam since say the 90s no real selections been done all they do is pass around the same clones others had selected before them and re combined But there are some that are germinating seed and selecting and doing real breeding.
You know the funny thing charlie i never new what a hybreed was untill i started to grow dutch strains.
All the seeds we got came from imported mj from all over the world africa / asia / jamaica all over mostly sativas were grown here and all were uniform you made seed and new that seed would produce that strain you grew 20 plants of that seed 20 would be the same strain if there was any diffrences it was maybe one was more of a runt thats it smoket the same affected you the same tasted the same smelt the same .
I my self like i think most older growers never thort that old sativas would become so hard to get and we basicly took them for granted as in you just expected them to be found easy if you lost a line but becouse most growers today demaned a fast desent yielding plant with bag apeal and want it to taste like candy so a lot of breeders did that few realy cator for sativa heads.
Since the erly 90s i saw less growing sativas as hydro become the norm and they were harder to find so i started to seek out things i loved and still am looking but have a few i re found.
Saying that to be fair to the modern cannabis i have grown modern hybreeds that equal some of the best old lines i know talks cheep but 30 plus year smokers dont lie if its good they will say many of my friends have been taken back by some of these dutch lines as people call them.
A well selected haze hybreed for exsample and there are quiet a few not nameing breeders or seed companys but all are unique and i rate them very high but yes if some were to say start selling real thia not a strain of 2 diffrent thia lines or culumbine not 2 diffrent culumbine lines basicly true breeding land races they would need to expand there bisness fast as the demand would be very large.
I always thought its time for others to do the job instead of only complaining about the lack of diversity in commercial genepool. But this requires lots of time and job, and seems is not worth for most nowadays as they can get profits with just a 2 months job with other's lines instead of years of own selections LOL. Seems things are focused right now on the money issue instead of in original creation... yearly seed demand prevails. So can be easy to talk about others responsabilites but maybe we all should look at ourselves and do what we think should be done. The fact many ppl grow and explore again the world of landraces (Ill include OT Hazes in this sense) as saw in this thread for example can give us the hope of still doing something worthable and interesting for future.
best
saludos[/QUOTE]
charlie we all have a responsubility to preserve all not one of us owns the strain some may think they do becouse they colected it but fact is unless you shear it it will be lost over time theres money to be made even if you self pure land race few cear about makeing seed most would rather throw seed down and grow it out.
I sit back often and think how this community has changed we older guys had no internet we had no seed stores to mail us wat we wanted we had no growing information at the click of a mouse nothing yet we had each other sheard seeds gave the less experencet growers often friends or even relitives info and seeds now days its changed.
Must say I ignore much of the past or sources of some of the hazes worked here coming from the OT lines... in fact, must say we concentrated ourselves only in growing plants and gardening as legends wont help on this . OT hazes are all or mostly just sativa lines as far as I saw from the 40 seeds I got from Wolfman, seems not much indica inside or not visible traits about it. We worked of trying to restore the best we could with traits and individuals we found.. being again widely spreaded I hope can give the chance to many others to explore and select for special individuals if any chance and go for some outbreeding from the beginning and again. Numbers are needed to find special ones and I hope ppl will ever understand how hard can be to achieve such original "dutch" quality hybrids.Hiya charlie never chatted to you or coresponded with you but have heard and read your name in the past and only good was ever sed about you so you have my respect.
I only post what i know to be correct if im rong i will say it see for me history in both the genetics being the strain or strain lines used in a given hybreed and breeding info as in people that worket it and or helpet preserve it and basicly all thats relevent i feel is importent as we all know the canna community has more myths and lets call them stretchet facts instead of lies lol.
Im not going to single out the ot1 sativa line as its pointless it may be a very special sativa and smoke as such i just feel that its rong to say the australians / americans / canadians and others that did do the real work on haze not get the thanks they realy deserve thats it and for it to be haze it had to come from the brothers.
I know what i know becouse i took the time to research i conected all the dots and i also asket questions it took me years of research i have been growing for decades but i had no idear of the history on modern lines why i feel its importent becouse i have seen some in this community over the past years trying real hard to change the real facts of the past to better there self gain thats fact mate and agine im not going to name or point fingers but thats what happens wen things get sed by people that had no role in things are were not there and involved in breeding of a given line.
I cant speeck for all the breeders but i know a few are more than willing to help if they can if you ask and go about it the right way.
Seems 90's work done was more focused in refining/reselecting this hybrids more than creating new lines from the beginning. Being sativa grower and smoker for decades I always missed more sativas in bank catalogues, whatever nationality they are coming from. Looking at old catalogues you can see what I mean... This is something I always missed so much in commercial scene... real breeding, real numbers, selection, selection and selection.... time, time, time... to have the chance to create original hybrids from original tools (lines). everything goes too fast nowdays.... Job done then in scene you talk was so great and so deep that gave life to well known original hybrids but seems this real breeding is not done anymore around. Pioneers in dutch scene worth all my deep respect for huge and original labour done...
charlie i know from what i have been told in the dam since say the 90s no real selections been done all they do is pass around the same clones others had selected before them and re combined But there are some that are germinating seed and selecting and doing real breeding.
You know the funny thing charlie i never new what a hybreed was untill i started to grow dutch strains.
All the seeds we got came from imported mj from all over the world africa / asia / jamaica all over mostly sativas were grown here and all were uniform you made seed and new that seed would produce that strain you grew 20 plants of that seed 20 would be the same strain if there was any diffrences it was maybe one was more of a runt thats it smoket the same affected you the same tasted the same smelt the same .
I my self like i think most older growers never thort that old sativas would become so hard to get and we basicly took them for granted as in you just expected them to be found easy if you lost a line but becouse most growers today demaned a fast desent yielding plant with bag apeal and want it to taste like candy so a lot of breeders did that few realy cator for sativa heads.
Since the erly 90s i saw less growing sativas as hydro become the norm and they were harder to find so i started to seek out things i loved and still am looking but have a few i re found.
Saying that to be fair to the modern cannabis i have grown modern hybreeds that equal some of the best old lines i know talks cheep but 30 plus year smokers dont lie if its good they will say many of my friends have been taken back by some of these dutch lines as people call them.
A well selected haze hybreed for exsample and there are quiet a few not nameing breeders or seed companys but all are unique and i rate them very high but yes if some were to say start selling real thia not a strain of 2 diffrent thia lines or culumbine not 2 diffrent culumbine lines basicly true breeding land races they would need to expand there bisness fast as the demand would be very large.
I always thought its time for others to do the job instead of only complaining about the lack of diversity in commercial genepool. But this requires lots of time and job, and seems is not worth for most nowadays as they can get profits with just a 2 months job with other's lines instead of years of own selections LOL. Seems things are focused right now on the money issue instead of in original creation... yearly seed demand prevails. So can be easy to talk about others responsabilites but maybe we all should look at ourselves and do what we think should be done. The fact many ppl grow and explore again the world of landraces (Ill include OT Hazes in this sense) as saw in this thread for example can give us the hope of still doing something worthable and interesting for future.
best
saludos[/QUOTE]
charlie we all have a responsubility to preserve all not one of us owns the strain some may think they do becouse they colected it but fact is unless you shear it it will be lost over time theres money to be made even if you self pure land race few cear about makeing seed most would rather throw seed down and grow it out.
I sit back often and think how this community has changed we older guys had no internet we had no seed stores to mail us wat we wanted we had no growing information at the click of a mouse nothing yet we had each other sheard seeds gave the less experencet growers often friends or even relitives info and seeds now days its changed.
Charlie Garcia said:
Yes, the whole post was a treat for eye´s
But this is the what I wanted to highlight^^^^These early breeders we are talking about only had time & space for doing those projects they feel interested...
But nowadays, we have noticed the similarity of the building blocks of current Dutch offerings and I dont about you guys, but im after some real oldschool sativa treat, eventrought im a closetcultivator (at least at the moment...) I think there is also many strains not even "found"/recognized yet and many well known lines that many people are aware of and show interest, but just dont know how to get them / dont grow them because some reason, or another...
However, it´s nice to notice that there are breeders who understand the importance of collectin & preservin these unknown strains that aint so easy to grow than many modern hybrids!!! I really appreciate these guys for their work preserving & spreading these genetics in a fair price!!!
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Dalaihempy
Back to sativas heres a a few pics of some old pure thia vintage 78 im preserving and plan to also use in a few hybreeds of my own.
I belive this to be a lowland sativa it has the odest sent in flower like roten meat never smelt thia like this ever from all the ones i grew in the past.
This was gifted to me by a guy who got it from his best friend who found 3 seeds in some imported thia sticks in 1978 from the 3 seeds he found 1 male 1 female 1 hermi he culled the hermie and breed the male female from that his selected and made 6 generations since then i thort it was 10 generations but aparently its 6 the guy is a horticulturist and all he wanted was to have this preserved the best he yielded from 1 plant out doors was 10 pound.
I plan to germ more only have 3 up now and will start a post on it in time please dont pm me asking for seed as all i have is to be used but in the future i may donate to a charity action or just randemly select a few and pass them out then they can do the same.
Below the thia is that mauie line il be lucky to get 1/4 oz cured lol but im sure thia male should sort her low yielding out.
Thia
Mauie
I belive this to be a lowland sativa it has the odest sent in flower like roten meat never smelt thia like this ever from all the ones i grew in the past.
This was gifted to me by a guy who got it from his best friend who found 3 seeds in some imported thia sticks in 1978 from the 3 seeds he found 1 male 1 female 1 hermi he culled the hermie and breed the male female from that his selected and made 6 generations since then i thort it was 10 generations but aparently its 6 the guy is a horticulturist and all he wanted was to have this preserved the best he yielded from 1 plant out doors was 10 pound.
I plan to germ more only have 3 up now and will start a post on it in time please dont pm me asking for seed as all i have is to be used but in the future i may donate to a charity action or just randemly select a few and pass them out then they can do the same.
Below the thia is that mauie line il be lucky to get 1/4 oz cured lol but im sure thia male should sort her low yielding out.
Thia
Mauie
Alfred-cannaria
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Hi friends of the sativa world
Some pics of Vietnanam evolution...
Some pics of some buds of my Jack Herer...
And one pic of my AngolaRoja*bangui, and other green pheno of this strain
Proximately i´ll show some pics of my Ethiopian and angola verde*Bangui plants, and we can to see the evolution in african strain forum ( if herbalistic want)
Thanks for all guys. Greetings and kisses for all
Some pics of Vietnanam evolution...
Some pics of some buds of my Jack Herer...
And one pic of my AngolaRoja*bangui, and other green pheno of this strain
Proximately i´ll show some pics of my Ethiopian and angola verde*Bangui plants, and we can to see the evolution in african strain forum ( if herbalistic want)
Thanks for all guys. Greetings and kisses for all
Alfred_aka_CrazySativaLoverFromCANNArias;) said:
Hola Alfred
Lets make a contract that we dont have to ask silly questions like that^^^Herbalistic definitely wants you to show your Africans -> they are real beautie queens
In fact the leaf structure of that AngolaRoja*bangui remids me of the leaf´s of this unknown autoflowring strain I am growing, specially the only one that didnt autoflower
I have been thinking before that they might have some Afican genes in them, because of the earthy smell of the flowers and the leaf structure!Or what you think mi amigo? Check out the leaf structure, this is the only one that didnt autoflower:
Once again I have to give props for people sharing their opinions & wisdom of our belowed erb´!!!! These last pages have been very informative -> once again
BTW Raco, your Colombian male would be my stallion of choice when doing crosses!!!!
Peace, Sativa´s & ICmag
EDIT:You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Alfred-cannaria again. <- DAMN!!! You really would deserve it (once again...)
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Dalaihempy said:
What more can you tell us about these pictures hempy? That maui is something else!
Purple kinds of Sativa?
Purple kinds of Sativa?
Hello Everyone.
Anyone know of a sativa dominate Purple plant? Most Purple plants are from what I have seen are Indica dominate plants. Anyone know of any Purple plants that exzibit a Sativa dominate trait?
Do they exsist or am I wrong?
Thanks
Purple kinds of Sativa?
Hello Everyone.
Anyone know of a sativa dominate Purple plant? Most Purple plants are from what I have seen are Indica dominate plants. Anyone know of any Purple plants that exzibit a Sativa dominate trait?
Do they exsist or am I wrong?
Thanks
luminous said:
Hi,
Thanks, I was just curious. I have friend that SWEARS that the purple type of plants for some reason are more concentrated with THC than their other counterparts. So i just wanted to try to grow some to show him that "No its not.' It looks cooler but its not any different than any other strain not just because of color.
In my experience, strains that exhibit both green and purple phenos, the green will always be the most potent, while the purple will have the better smell/taste, as well as bag appeal. My 
And as a add to Highlighters previous post I would say that purpleplants offer many times more relaxing & body effecting experience than their green sisters, so I would say they are high on CBD & such...
What you mean with that "that Maui is something else"????
Luminous: If you are who I thought you are I have to say that it´s nice to see you are back in bisness with us! Those babies look very fine
ShaolinBushido said:
What you mean with that "that Maui is something else"????
Luminous: If you are who I thought you are I have to say that it´s nice to see you are back in bisness with us! Those babies look very fine
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BeAn
Purple vs White
Purple vs White
The species is to varied to say either/or, in one case the white may be more potnent thant the purple...but chances are there are purple plants out there that will blow their white counterparts away. Also remember the fact that the purple pigment can be environmental, this environmental influence (or stress) on the phenotype could cause the loss in potency.
What do you guy's think?
^^Outdoor A11...
Purple vs White
The species is to varied to say either/or, in one case the white may be more potnent thant the purple...but chances are there are purple plants out there that will blow their white counterparts away. Also remember the fact that the purple pigment can be environmental, this environmental influence (or stress) on the phenotype could cause the loss in potency.
What do you guy's think?
^^Outdoor A11...
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Herbalistic said:
Is there really a problem understanding the fact that hempys maui impresses me?
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