resistent mites vs triple threat (floramite, avid, forbid)

[IbnGanja]

Hi there,

I've had some really persistent mites over here and it's been bothersome. I've only ever used Floramite and they keep coming back. Yesterday I sprayed a whole lot of Floramite and today I came back to find that the mites are still there.

I also have Forbid and Avid.

So my questions are;

-- which one should I use now Avid or Forbid?

-- how does one use all 3 together? can I rotate between them? or do I have to wait to use one fully (26-28 days) then switch to the other? Can I use Floramite one day then 2 days later Avid 2 days later Forbid and just rotate?

-- Could it be something to do with the PH? the manual says when mixing the solution should be 5.5 to 6.5 -- I don't test it, should I be?

 

[5th]

If your plants are still in veg hit 'em with the Forbid.

I had mites once...Forbid killed everyone of those rotten sonsobitches.

As far as using them together for a 3 pronged attack, I was told to use a different one three days apart....has to do with there egg laying/hatching times....building immunity n' shit.

Good luck fighting the good fight.

 

[DJXXPLATINUM]

GO TO WALMART AND GET A NO-PEST STRIP FOR EVERY SQUARE METER...HANG IT FOR A WEEK...YOU WILL THINK THEY PACKED UP AND LEFT TAKING THE EGGS WITH IT...THEN PUT THE PEST STRIP BACK IN A ZIPLOC BAG FOR ANY MORE PROBLEMS....I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE MITE HEADACHE AND USED ALL THREE YOU MENTION ABOVE....SPENT OVER $100...REALLY $6 AT WALMART....CAPN KRIP TURNED ME ON TO IT...ONE OF THE BEST TIPS ON HERE...DJ

 

[thegambler]

The no-pest strips are dangerous to humans and I believe to be a carcinogenic. They work marginally at best against mites, but are effective against spiders, gnats, etc.

Avid, Forbid and Floramite are only effective if you do a really good job spraying all the plants very well. pH is equally important and if you are not in the right range, the product is useless. By the way, none of these products is safe for pot........make sure you spray early in flowering, if at all.

Get Mighty Wash (frequency water) and spray once every 3 days 3X, nine days total. Problem solved......

 

[Granger2]

I would use Azasol rather than Azamax or Azatrol. Azasol is oil free, causes no phytotoxicity, is more systemic, no smell after drying [to humans], no mess, similar price, dissolves instantly. In sum, more effective.

Best way is to mix in a bucket, cover top of root ball with a rag or cardboard and immerse everything above ground. That way you get 100% coverage, and dunking them washes off many mites and eggs. Also, spray walls, doors, floor, entire container including the bottom. Non messy since it's oil free.

The big key that has given me a once and for all kill [till I carry more in], is to do a second dunk 36 hours later, followed by another in 48. This kills any hatchlings before they have a chance to lay more eggs. Plus you're done in 4 days. I usually follow this procedure using Spinosad w/wetting agent the first 2 treatments, with Azasol for the 3rd.

What has worked well for me has been to spray the plants with Azasol during the first week of 12/12 as a preventive. No mites thru harvest. Haven't had mites in the 2 years since I started this one preventive treatment.

I've also gotten rid of mites using only Spinosad w/wetting agent for 4 treatments. Spray, again in 36, 36, 48.

Regardless of what you use, read label and pH water to label instructions before adding pesticide. Good luck. -granger

 

[Muah12]

I would be very careful with avid. if you do intended to use it make sure to use enough to kill them don't use a lil with intent to do another dose. Best to give em a full taste as to not build up any tolerances to it. There's not much stronger then avid.

 

[Avinash.miles]

what about tetrasan? anyone use it? I've had very good success against spider mites with floramite & tetrasan together, if u choose to go that route, i suggest never in bloom.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Well since they are being used on food crops they must be safe.

DDT anyone?

This shit blows me away.

 

[Budley Doright]

nada

 

[Kcar]

The reason they are labeled for ornamentals only is because they are marketed
to everyday consumers and the companies that make them are afraid of getting sued
when some idiot poisons himself or others. Farmers don't buy Avid, Forbid, or Floramite.
They buy Abamectin, Bifenazate, and Spiromesifen. And they use them on the fruits and
veggies (And some animals) that we eat.

 

[Budley Doright]

yada

 

[Granger2]

Exactahorseshit. The label is the law. They are labeled that way because they are not allowed by the Feds to label them for food crops. As lax as the Feds are, and since they are tools of the Pesticide industry, that's saying a lot.

It's not labeled that way because the Multi-Billion Dollar corporations, with their huge legal staffs are afraid of the consumers suing them. They laugh at that possibility. Just gives their legal staffs something to do once in awhile.

If the Pesticide corporations had their way, everything they formulate would be legal for any use.

If you think that because these things are used in agribusiness, that means that they are safe, you need to do further investigation. Everything they come out with is safe, until the EPA or FDA gets around to testing them, then they are found not safe, and after a 7 or 8 year court fight, they are taken off the market to be replaced by the next generation of "safe" pesticides. It's happened over and over.

Chemicals are innocent till proven guilty, and we get the shit end of the stick on risk/benefit. We take the risk, the massive corporations get the benefit.

Look at the story of Neonicotinoids, aka Chlorinated Nicotinoids, or neonics. This class includes the often used [by canna growers] Imidochloprid. These are freaking systemic insecticides.

They were given "conditional" approval by the EPA. The management, comprised of people recruited from Pesticide Industry, and who will return to the Pesticide Industry when their terms are up, against the advice of their EPA staff scientists, said OK we'll let you market them to be used on food crops. Just do more testing, and get back to us on the results.

The Pesticide corporations have not gotten back with the results of more testing. If they had something good to report, you can bet they would have. The EU has recently outlawed the use Neonics on anything. -granger

 

[Payaso]

Okay guys... this isn't a place to be name-calling and putting people in their place... it's a discussion.

Off-topic posts will be removed... arguing and name-calling are not tolerated.

 

[Kcar]

They have been tested. The info is here http://pesticideinfo.org/
Some of the chemicals we're talking about have been used for many decades
by agribusiness.

 

[MagniKhan]

Wow, the blind ignorance and utter stupidity of some people are staggering.
No matter what they are shown they make EXCUSES to support there position. Even trying justify insulting and inflammatory comments. So much emotion.

Snype was right to point out that NONE of the insecticides are approved for used on anything other then ornamentals, period.
He didn't name call, cast aspersions, or use and demeaning language, just simple informed.
And for good reason, new growers should know so they can make and informed decision. Ethical people have a moral obligation to confront such immoral disregard for peoples health.

A few posters didn't like it pointed out that their preferred choices are not approved for use on food stuff, etc. and lashed out emotionally with name calling a confrontational baiting.


So please lets have a real discussion.

So I assume that you guys are chemist specializing in the use of pesticides.
So the current chemical composition, ratio and combined substances are in AVID for example are just fine for use on "food crops".
Could you please back that up with proof? Not labels and information for other chemical compounds that may or may not be in the same ratios.
How long dose it stay active?
What causes it to decompose? What happens when it does? Does it build up in the organism? ( I know it does in the case of AVID) If so, how much is toxic?
Does it interact with any other compounds? If so which ones and in what ratios?


Really I could careless about you giving me "bad rep points" for pointing out that "name calling wasn't needed". I don't care if you take a bath in AVID.....just don't pontificate here with your "facts" without backing them up with REAL proof! Not just your opinion ( unless you are a chemist, then please).
I do feel sorry for the unsuspecting people that use your toxic warez, it's just wrong....or as Snype pointed out, it's unethical and immoral.

 

[Granger2]

Magnikhan,
I disagree on one point. It doesn't take a chemist to see a problem with using a *systemic* pesticide on food crops, which includes marijuana. All it takes is basic, simple common sense. -granger

 

[MagniKhan]

Magnikhan,
I disagree on one point. It doesn't take a chemist to see a problem with using a *systemic* pesticide on food crops, which includes marijuana. -granger

I agree!
I thought, just on the outside chance that one of them was a Biochemist, that they could explain it to us....it been a LOOOOOONG time since my last class....maybe there was something I missed.

MK

 

[Kcar]

Wow, the blind ignorance and utter stupidity of some people are staggering.

Now who's calling people names? Who is ignorant and stupid?

I am only pointing out that these exact chemicals are being
used every day on food crops.

www.pesticideinfo.org

 

[OrganicOzarks]

I brush my teeth with avid, and then rinse my mouth out with floromite.

That's safe right?

 

[MagniKhan]

Now who's calling people names? Who is ignorant and stupid?

I am only pointing out that these exact chemicals are being
used every day on food crops.

www.pesticideinfo.com

I never pointed you out ( or anyone else for that matter), you made that assumption, so I can't answer your question.

Those "exact chemicals" are not so much the issue, it's the concentration and how it reacts with the other components that is the question.
Hydrogen peroxide is very useful in low concentrations, it's a whole other ball game over 40%.