Rent w/ fake ID or lease-to-own?

[Tua-vita-facies]

Wanted to open up a discussion regarding this topic, and how to keep us growers out of prison in case things turn south.

Hypothetically, one was considering renting a house under a false ID to avoid legal prosecution should anyone catch onto the operation.

1) A fake driver's license could be made, as well as falsified w2's for proof of income to the owner.

2) rent + grow in rented house that isn't the growers primary residence, so no personal items are there, only a grow in the basement for instance (talking 4-10kw here in non-med state).

3) install camera's/alarm system in house that notifies the grower of any intrusions, in which case the grower can abandon grow/cut losses or catch some rippers before they do damage to the house/op.

Or

"Lease-to-Own," put a 3-5k down payment on a house, owner should have no reason to enter premises, have this specified in the legal agreement.

With this option one can cut as many holes as they want, enjoy privacy w/o landlords dropping by, and pay off the house after a year or so w/ $ from the grow. Then its on to the next one, renting out previous grow residences for residual income.

But the house is in your name, higher risk, higher initial investment, but more peace of mind, from visiting Landlords anyway...


Comments, thoughts, suggestions based on experience are welcomed.

 

[stillsmokin843]

if your not living there ya have to have a good cover for the neighbors especially if your only there for an hr or two a day then leave just a thought.

 

[wisco61]

If its a place that asks for an ID and tax forms they will run a credit check which will probably expose the scam.

 

[Tua-vita-facies]

if your not living there ya have to have a good cover for the neighbors especially if your only there for an hr or two a day then leave just a thought.

Would prefer to rent a house that is secluded from neighbors, with an attached garage, and lights with timers in a few of the rooms that go on everyday for a few hours at a time.

I see your point though, not trying to rent an apartment and show up there once a week, too suspicious, but fuck em anyway!

If its a place that asks for an ID and tax forms they will run a credit check which will probably expose the scam.

Interesting. Well, if one has access to many other peoples' SSN's, then what?

At this moment, one prefers to put a down payment on a house and just take the risk.

Maybe set up an offshore account, cash based llc., whatever, and start building a real estate portfolio. This is a buyers market, time to make moves. Maybe do balls to the wall mentality, but still be smart.

Trying to extend "one's" lifespan, maximizing the reward -> risk ratio. Help?

 

[wisco61]

Well, I guess the question is do you want to add fraud, identity theft, and/or tax evasion to possible charges, or do you just want to play smart and stay under the radar like people have been doing for years?

Find a place where the landlord is out of state or a drunk. Overdo the carbon filters and don't show off your garden to people. Don't date a psycho bitch. These things will keep you out of jail.

 

[Tua-vita-facies]

You certainly make a great point.

I suppose if one runs their ship tight they should never be caught.

One is trying to expect the unexpected, like neighbors calling cops cuz they saw someone try to break in. Shit like that.

Life is too short to do 5-20 years in jail, could always move to a medical state, but y'all still have the same risk from the feds. Fuck it, one is goin balls to the wall!!!

 

[Bobby Stainless]

The only way this would work, is with a owner managed property.

Most Property Management firms, have a process they follow to keep them out of Fair housing trouble.

Where as a owner, just wants rent. To keep from having to show extensive income records, you will need the total amount of rent up front.

 

[schwilly]

wisco knows

a wise man once told me; "don't commit more than one crime at a time"

 

[Yes4Prop215]

man if you access to real good IDs that match up to SSNs i would use that method and keep myself detached from the house.....thats probably the safest way to do in a non-med state. asians and hispanics do it all the time because they have better access to fake documents, i guess its easier for them to blend in that regard...then when shit gets hot they flee the country lol...

most of us regular americans arent afforded such luxuries....if growing in a non-med state i would do lease to own options on the house and keep security super tight. at least they cant seize the house because its still in the owners name, but your name will still be tied to the house...and even if you use someone else they would need to be super solid and not snitch...thats why the viets and hispanics do it so well, they just stick some 50 year old smuggled illegal immigrant in there and tell them they have to tend the house to pay back their smugglers cost....then the guys who operate the grows sit back at a clean house and rake in profits....brilliant!!

 

[stillsmokin843]

jsut look around youll find a good rental spot jsut might take a bit of time all kinds of pepole out there with houses for rent. youll have to fig out power water etc once ya get past landloard.lamps on timers blinds scrubbers keepin up the outside yard up as well. those are all things need to be done but you still have to play it out neighbors will notices car in driveway for only one or two hrs etc. every situation is differnt so little things to think about. i once read a story about a guy who had a family and two houses woke up went to "work" at the other house in a neighborhood. check the mail say hey to neighbors talked about how it was a tough night at work since he worked night shifts. had the house full except living room got away with it for years before he quit. sorry for babbling a lil smoked out just saying ya have to make the neighbors think your odd sched is normal some how if no one is living in the house

 

[fredcdobbs]

what about just park an old car at the house and leave tv on..

 

[m4n]

man if you access to real good IDs that match up to SSNs i would use that method and keep myself detached from the house.....thats probably the safest way to do in a non-med state. asians and hispanics do it all the time because they have better access to fake documents, i guess its easier for them to blend in that regard...then when shit gets hot they flee the country lol...

most of us regular americans arent afforded such luxuries....if growing in a non-med state i would do lease to own options on the house and keep security super tight. at least they cant seize the house because its still in the owners name, but your name will still be tied to the house...and even if you use someone else they would need to be super solid and not snitch...thats why the viets and hispanics do it so well, they just stick some 50 year old smuggled illegal immigrant in there and tell them they have to tend the house to pay back their smugglers cost....then the guys who operate the grows sit back at a clean house and rake in profits....brilliant!![/QUOTE
Along wit tappin in to the lines for free electricity...hello $2000 lbs of indoor....still smell like hay though LOL

 

[Tua-vita-facies]

Appreciate the info guys, really.

May have to find out of state landlord, or property management rental.

With the latter, one understands owners who usually don't care as much about their properties, or are just too busy, have management companies take care of them? If so, that's good for the grower.

One is also torn between moving to SoCal, Maine or staying in his non-med state and running a super tight ship.

So many choices!!!!

 

[LiLWaynE]

ever hear of fraud? big charges....

 

[Yes4Prop215]

i have a few questions about Lease To Own and Owner financing...

Who pays the property tax in a Lease To Own?

Who holds the title? a 3rd party company i assume, just dont want to owner to maybe try and sell property from out under the leasee..

Does the owner who is selling have more leverage to evict the leasee or cancel the contract than a regular owner carry?


It sounds like L2O is the safest way to avoid asset forfeiture if the place is raided for a grow. If its lease to own, since the property is not technically in your name or possession, they cant seize it. In order for asset forfeiture the government has to see that you are paying off a property with illegal funds. So a guy growing on a property he owns, paying the mortgage in 20 dollar bills into his bank account, is grounds for forfeiture. But if you are a landowner who rents or subleases to a 2nd party, and they grow and pay you in money orders every month for rent, you should be good. way i see it, its like gambling and its better to try to own. if you get raided and they take the house, as long as you didnt put huge down payment, big deal, you are the same monetarilly as if you had been renting the whole time. if you fly under the radar and get out the game you could be sitting on a nice property afterwards..


Also, i read in california law that only in CA, growing is not cause for seizing a property there has to be other crimes involved. Not sure how ttrue that is....and in a recent news story the mendocino county sheriff reported they seized 900k in propertys in 1 year. That seems like a tiny amount, considering a 5 acre property in mendocino can run 400k easy....so they only seized 2 or 3 properties out of the hundreds if not thousands that are growing up there...

 

[dragunn]

lease to own is just like leasing,the landlord can inspect the property with 24 hours notice(in cali).90% of lease to own deals properties are never completed.the tenants cant get a bank loan after two or three years.

what you want is an "owner financing".very few and far between.you need an owner who owns the property free and clear.someone who wants above market interest income,say 6% interest.usally the loans around five years long.with the hope you build up enough equity in the house to get a bank loan.to pay off the original lender.