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Recycling soil questions regarding botrytis and PM

49th

Member
I'll ask my question first and put the setup later for those that don't want to read a crazy, rambling TLDR post.

Is it safe to reuse recycled, amended, 'tilled' (dumped and mixed) soil again if the plants that grew in it had botrytis and or PM? Do they stay dormant in the soil or are those just a systemic plant issue that comes in from the plant as a whole and leave when it's removed?

Just a little pre-setup here. This year will be my 3rd cycle using a basic coots mix style 3 part mix with amendments. I use 15 gal fabric pots that don't really seem ideal for notil and I have some reservations about notil despite not trying it. I generally pull the top of the rootball out and leave a lot of the feeder roots in, dump the containers out on a tarp and add some more compost and cover for the winter. Then I would amend and check moisture/water if necessary in the late winter early spring.

Last year's harvest was less than the first year but I didn't train my plants at all and neglected them due to some serious depression and crazy stuff during the initial outbreak of the pandemic. The quality was better last year though, possibly due to selecting better strains. This year I've got some local genetics for outdoor specifically, some that finish early as August, and Mid/Late September for the latest since rainforest BC climate is always ripe for PM and botrytis in October.

Last year, I also was gifted some feminized seeds and decided to try them for fun and as to not offend the person who gave them to me. They were supposed to be White Rhino and GSC. Clearly, they were selected indoors not meant to be grown outdoor or at least in my climate. The girl scout cookies plants mostly died (5 of 6) and the one survivor was the worst plant I've ever grown in my 6 seasons. Like I've done infinitely better with a bagseed and blue crystal 20/20/20 lol... The White Rhino was... okay (6/6 germ and all vegged to be able to be finished and gave a couple away) but really susceptible to PM and botrytis and one even had black sooty mould/mildew in addition to the other two which I've never seen on cannabis I've grown before. I threw that plant out entirely. For the others, I just tried to manage the PM and cutting out any botrytis and then generally emergency harvesting to not waste all my efforts entirely. The good genetics had just minor amounts of botrytis and no PM.

I dumped the 13x15gals into a big 200+ gallon pile after adding more compost but left the 6 containers sitting, still to this day, that had the disease issues. No pest issues mind you.

Should I make a separate pile and use it with caution or just dump it into compost or vegetable garden beds? Or fire it off into the sun and never touch it again (hopefully not needed)

I'm going to try to upgrade to 30 gallons pots (maybe a couple 50 or 100 also) so I will likely need to mix more soil this year but the more I can recycle the better obviously.

Thanks in advance for any replies or advice. Have a good day.
 

TychoMonolyth

Boreal Curing
Botrytis and PM live in, and over winter in soil. Throwing yours out I don't think will make a lot of difference. It's all over the place and in fact needed to help decomposition. It's the circle of life baby.

But we have tools to push back where we don't want it.

Green Cure Fungicide is a highly effective powdery mildew treatment and OMRI listed for organic use.
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Serenade Garden is a broad spectrum biofungicide and contains a patented strain of Bacillus subtilis and is also OMRI listed for organic use.
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I'd use either one every two weeks just to be safe.
 

chronosync

Well-known member
Botrytis and PM live in, and over winter in soil. Throwing yours out I don't think will make a lot of difference. It's all over the place and in fact needed to help decomposition. It's the circle of life baby.

But we have tools to push back where we don't want it.

Green Cure Fungicide is a highly effective powdery mildew treatment and OMRI listed for organic use.
greencure-fungicide-400x364.jpg



Serenade Garden is a broad spectrum biofungicide and contains a patented strain of Bacillus subtilis and is also OMRI listed for organic use.
serenade-disease-control-400x440.jpg



I'd use either one every two weeks just to be safe.

excellent advice!

may I add. look into: bacillus subtilis var amyloliquefaciens, and also: southern ag garden friendly fungicide
 

stashpot

Member
From my findings the soil will bare no impact on the next generation of molds.. it didn't show up after i used the same soil i got the bud rot in.
What i found was my bud rot actually came from mold spores from a nearby window. I killed them, cleaned/wiped down the room and used the same soil, no problems came up next run with the same environment. Molds will come from another source will effect it over and over though.

I cannot speak for PM directly as i never had that but i can imagine being able to kill it without harming your soil.
 

stashpot

Member
also look into something called LAB if you haven't... It's Lactic acid bacteria it can inhibit the mould growth due the antifungal properties of the lactic acid bacteria that subsequently could control the production of mould. AKA antifungal.

You can make LAB at home within a few days and foliar feed and directly into the soil with a mix of water at a 1000:1 ratio. I use it myself it has many benefits and its all natural organic.
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moses wellfleet

Well-known member
Moderator
Veteran
I think that in an outdoor scenario you should get away with recycling that soil. If it sits in a heap until it is used again next season there should be enough biological activity going on to kill off spores of pathogens.

Maybe you can try heat it up by composting other stuff with it to make double sure?
 

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