really wana try this but have a few ?S

[pothead6]

where would be the best place to get spoors. IE places that you have used and had good results with


i dont have a presure cooker and really dont wana spend $60 on one what else could i use


i wana do the pf tek and some mono tubs but its getting around winter and alot of the garden stores probly dont have verm so is there anything else i can use

instead of using a humidifeier could i just use an airstone in watter for the fruiting process


thank you for anyhelp never tried this before seems like it could get messed up easy but really wana give it a go

 

[pothead6]

for real no one can shed any light on this ?

 

[79towncar]

With the PF Tek you dont need airstones or humidifiers.. All you need is a shotgun terrarium with wet perlite on the bottom.. As for spores if you live in America they are legal except in a couple states.. California is one and Geroria is another im pretty sure.. So for American orders use Sporeworks.com.. For Canada and other foreighn places use Ralphsters... These 2 are by far the best.. Do some more reading.. Its a great hobby

 

[Sam the Caveman]

I recommend Ralphsters for spores.

I don't have a pressure cooker, too much money. I use a big vegetable steamer with a lid and place a box of rocks on top of the lid. Temps get up to 112C. I have sterilized this way many times and works well. I got the veggie steamer from wal-mart for about $20.

An airstone in water is not going to put out enough humidity if your fruiting chamber is of substantial size.

I prefer casing grows vs. pf tek because casing yields better and colonizes quicker. With casing grows you can drastically minimize contamination by spawning into a pasteurized medium and adjusting your casing ph to around 8 using hydrated lime, lime with mag. will not work very well. Mycelium grows like crazy on a higher ph medium and contams don't like it. Casings do best at 90% humidity and I've found anything higher will produce fuzzy stems, pf tek requires 98-100% humidity. A well hydrated casing will produce its own humidity, no need for a humidifier, you will need to air out the co2 about 2 per day, this will help to keep you humidity in check, it can get up to 100%.

I've used the pf tek to start out with and once the jars colonize, I'll dump it into a ziplock bag and crush it up then spawn it into a pasteurized medium.

There is much info to be found on shroomery website. Good Luck.

p.s.- Don't skimp on sterile technique when inoculating.

 

[pothead6]

I'm actualy a member of that site just I don't really wana ask ?s becouse in all sites like this they tell u to use the search but that's very unhelpfull most times

 

[Sam the Caveman]

Yeah, it takes a lot of digging around on that site. I usually limit my search results to only posts by RogerRabbit. He gives the best info, I think.

 

[pothead6]

Hmm idk like I said Im kinda worried that I won't be able to find the stuff to do this becouse of it bcoming winter all the grow places don't have anything I really wana do tubs becouse my goal is bulk but now I'm trying to decide what's the best strain for that

 

[Harvest Time]

listen, a pressure cooker is about $30 at walmart, next, join Shroomtalk.com and is is as informative with as many people as the ic mag forums are with weed. once you join go to Spores101.com and use the promotional code that you learn at shroomtalk and buy your fav strains for like 16$ a syringe!!! awesome results with 8 of their strains!

 

[Harvest Time]

Also, for bulk, Golden Teachers, or B+. look into the all the methods on shroomtalk to see whats best for you! i love the wet birdseed method, its what i always use with astonishing results everytime! cost is nothing. tubs, turkey pans with clear covers peatmoss vermiculite, wild bird seed, mason jars...every item listed is probably under 50$s for a nice setup..

 

[79towncar]

All the supplies needed are always in stock year-round especially with the internet.. All you need for basic PF Tek is spores, brown rice or brown rice flower if you cant grind the rice, vermicullite, gypsum for that you ca use sheetrock, jars, and a terrarium.. For humidity you can use perlite or you can use wet towels in a pinch.. You always want your humidity above 90%.. You also don't want to use a digital hydrometer because they are not accurate after about 90% humidity...

Spawning to a bulk substrate is the best method there is... All commercial mushroom growers use this technique.. You can get huge yeilds with the proper technique.. Monotubs are the best way to go for that.. If you are growing Cubensis then a casing layer will usually provide NO benefits.. Casing Cubensis just isn't a worth while method.. It delays your harvest for a week to 10 days.. A casing will not improve yeilds of potency, they are myths.. All a casing does is keeps the growing conditions for the substrate perfect.. So to me a csing is only reccomended to new growers having trouble getting there conditions ideal.. But if you have good humidity, fresh air exchange and light then your fruiting conditions are just fine..

Fresh air exchange is probabily the most important part of fruiting.. Along with full colonization, exposure to light and a slight decrease in temperature these are the conditions that cause fruiting.. That is why a Shotgun Terrarium is ideal for a PF Tek style grow.. It allows 100% humidity while providing fresh air.. C02 buiildup causes poor yeilds while fruiting.. The mycelium needs a C02 enriched enviorment to fully colonize.. That is partially why colonization is done in jars.. But once it is time for fruiting the fully colonized substrate must be placed in an enviorment with fresh air.. The fresh air gets rid of C02 build-up and helps the substrate fruit...

So if you do a PF Tek style gow build a Shotgun Terrarium.. You will only need spores, brown rice, vermicullite, jars, perlite or wet towels for humidity and a clear storage bin... The shroomery is an amazing forum.. But alot of the people are assholes and full of terrible knowledge.. They pass around rumors and alot of times your getting wrongful information.. Some examples you may have heard are. "Manure is used to increase potency. Jars must be incubated at 86F degrees. A casing layer increases yeild. Light is the most important factor in fruiting." The list goes on and on and on.. So be careful with what you read.. If you want to know about the authenticity of something you read just run it by me in a PM and I will be glad to help.. I have alot of knowledge and 1st hand experience with mushrooms.. I lived with a girl in New York that grew mushrooms constantly about 4 years ago so I learned from one of the best out there.. Take it easy, I hope I have helped!

 

[79towncar]

listen, a pressure cooker is about $30 at walmart, next, join Shroomtalk.com and is is as informative with as many people as the ic mag forums are with weed. once you join go to Spores101.com and use the promotional code that you learn at shroomtalk and buy your fav strains for like 16$ a syringe!!! awesome results with 8 of their strains!

DO NOT USE SPORES101!! They are known scammsters and sell beat, bunk and outright bullshit genetics.. Also Shroomtalk.com is a very very poor forum compared to Shroomery.. All Shroomtalk.com does is try and push Spores101 and there partners.. DO NOT buy anything from any site related to Spores101.com! Trust me on this one..

HarvestTime.. Those methods you posted are very flawed.. Please don't post bunk info.. Everybody in the mycology community knows Spores101 is a bullshit site.. And Shroomtalk.com does not promote the best/appropriate methods.. Please let this one go..

 

[Harvest Time]

woah ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!! what the fuck are you talking aboput?!?!?!?!?!?!?! you know nothing with your "firsthand" experience through someone else...apparently one of the best around..hahahahaha four years??? thats it? my method is proven and so are the amazing products from spores101 and the info on shroomtalk!(which by the way is a far superior forum to shroomery for your info.) you obviously have no fucking clue what your talking about! my info is bunk?!?!?! bullshit! and for you to have the kahunas to quote me and call me a fuckin liar on an open forum?!?!? what kind of a clueless douchebag are you? NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS GUY...GO TO SHROOMTALK AND GET SPORES FROM SPORES101 AND SEE FOR YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE SUCCESS WITH BOTH ELEMENTS!!!!

 

[79towncar]

I'm not gonna argue with you but Spores101 is a scam site everybody knows that.. I helped a bunch of people on here with there grows so I'll let other people decide who is being truthful.. If you know so much why are you saying this or that strain is good for this or that type of grow.. When all Cubensis are basically the same unless the characteristics are isolated.. Come on Mushbox, Spores101?? Those kits are bunk and for people who don't know any better. Spores101 tries to push kits and spores down the throats of newbs.. I don't want to see people takin advantage of..

Wet Bird Seed method?? HAHA.. Birdseed is ok but Rye is the best spawn there is.. If you were so " experienced" you wouldn't be reccomending bird seed to anybody.. Turkey tubs and clear lids?? HaHa.. Come on man you have no idea what your taling about.. Experienced grower would ever use such things.. Monotubs and mini greenhouses are the method of people who know what they are doing.. You ever see one commercial mushroom farm use wild brd seed or clear lids over there fruiting trays?? No, they use Rye and use a greenhouse type method.. I would never reccomend a forum to people that push a rip-off spore site..

Spores101 has had numerous complaits with cotams and just bblatent fake syringes.. So if Shroomtal pushes that vendor what does it say about them?? I'm sure there are some members who have a clue but obviously you aren't one.. With you turkry bins and your "wet bird seed method".. Look I obviously don't know you, but you don't know me.. My guess is your new to mycology and have never grown anything.. Maybe you have but your def not experienced.. Because nobody would ever use those mushbox methods.. Those grow kits are a joke...

Sporeworks and Ralphsters have no complaints from anybody.. Even on shroomtalk people complain about being burnt by Spores101.com... Are you really a seasoned grower?? If not I don't care I'm not going to make fun.. But you just shouldn't promote methods, supplies and sites that are known for having a shady element..

 

[nepalnt21]

I recommend Ralphsters for spores.

 

[nepalnt21]

you dont really need a pressure cooker. a double boiler will give you almost as good results. if you boil once for an hour or an hour and a half, then in 24 hours, do it again, that would probably take care of the bad stuff. works for a certain fella i might or might not have known.

if this is your first time, why not get your feet wet with the pf tec? its easily found, easy to learn, there are plenty of good vids on youtube about it, and its a good, easy starting point for cubensis. you wont have the yields of the pros, but it works.

 

[pothead6]

What's up with the flaming that's kinda gay I'm a member of shroom talk and they wicked try to push spoors101 so kinda scetchy and for the WBA there's logs of that working so hmm I've seen the videos on YouTube that explain the pf tek and the other methed for tubs I'll prolly try both I like the rye seed consept becouse I can inoculate more jars with a single jar that is something I like but with the pf tek I can't I wana make a single syringe go very very far be it with the rye seed idea of prints cloning maybe but not Likely I prolly would not order from spoores 101 but that other link that I was givin I may try that but please no more flaming I'm asking for help not 2 people argueing both have good points so work with that

 

[79towncar]

Sry to argue in your thread.. I just don't want to see you gettin takin advantage of.. So that's why I do not reccomend Spores101... Anyway for the PF Tek you don't really need much.. I do reccomend you try and learn how to use agar and petree dishes to isolate specific genotypes.. When you go the multispore route with syringes and prints your basically rolling the dice with genetics.. For specific character traits and to ensure your genetics are always the same you muiust isolate..

 

[pothead6]

For the first few runs I prolly won't consider isolating but getting deeper I see that being a must my current issue is that I can't order online currently so getting some of the stuff may be hard

 

[79towncar]

What stuff? Jars, brown rice, verm and a bin you can get anywhere locally.. Do you mean spores?

 

[pothead6]

Verm where would I find that