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really quick ? on lst
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medgrowr02
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Why in gods name would you cover the stem in soil? Just keep tying it down until it's the way you like and switch to flower.
Covering the stem would cover any potential bud sites.
Covering the stem would cover any potential bud sites.
medgrowr02
Member
I mean, burying the stem up until the first set of leaves is OK, as long as it's tall and lanky. If your just tying the stem down and burying what you tie down, thats kind of pointless?
Have a picture?
Have a picture?
N. Accumbens
Member
-but, there are such methods
Yeah, I used to do this way back when.
Honestly, if it's a seedling, that's kinda a cool thing to do in a small grow. Most of my seedlings sprout root nubs up to about a inch or two below the first real leaves. The seedling may have a nice film towards the bottom of the stem, if this film very easily comes off root nubs may form in this area, particularly if it was planted rather shallow, or had varying light intensity during sprouting.
Most of my mums prefer being "under-planted" about 3 months into growth b/c they have roots coming out of the bottom part of the stem.(sometimes a few inches high...seems strain/ plant dependent...genetic markers??)..could show a pic one day once I run into it, sry not now, though.
Also, in my more savage experimental days.... I used the advice of one garden store owner, who suggested to me....being that tomatoes have similar growth characteristics...that when I plant tomatoes to take off the lower growth and to plant them about 5-10inches under the soil. The plants produce roots, particularly where you have removed the growth... I would get all scientific on you, but it's rather late for me to be cross-referencing terminology...and I'm rather anal about that, having my terms right. Spelling counts!- "the boring English taecher racked into my brain..."
The second part of info. that led me to experimenting with something that is best left alone and given plenty of love was....
A storm had come through the area and had knocked over a fellows plants...as I am sure some of us well know this "weed" will grow in almost any condition. Regardless, in the rain its' stem had been covered in soil and so where it had been destroyed, it came to life, the soil coated the crunched stem and just as a clone will root, so do these fallen over outdoor beauties. When the fellow came to visit three weeks later, he had a wonderful surprise..instead of a disaster...again...some of the best outdoor ever, he rants six years later.
So the experiments began, I was in my newb days with smaller gear and so if a lady stretched under the HPS in a corner she got the treatment....some just got coated slightly with rizopan and placed about a foot under the soil, others got bent and molded in shape with care not to break the stem excessively. If it broke excessively or had been mishandled in any way a strait h20 regime was needed for at least two weeks or severe stunting followed...being as the root ball could no longer sufficiently sustain the plant through the broken stem in an excessively nutritious environment. Just like cloning, baby!
Experiment summary... only purposely elongate and under plant your stems if you have a good reason to.
If you want a stronger root knob which may be able to uptake slightly more nutrients underplant your plants in the shape of a coil, and without adulterants if you plan on damaging the stem.
I found that the plants which were underplanted [WW and BB strains BTW] as opposed to the ones which were not had higher trichome formation even though they were placed on the edges of the grow. i.e. should be of a lesser quality. Also, I noticed they finished a few days (up to a week) later than the rest of the plants, this "underplanting" was done two - three weeks before bloom...dependent on growth characteristics.
It is important to keep the nute concentrations fairly low if you in any way rupture the stem... this is harsh, but in these areas more roots can be produced...In general nutes (E.C.-non-org) should be kept low BTW. cheche
I do not recommend this technique, unless one is willing to be patient and learn a little.
It is also for someone who has some time on their hands since it slows growth, but you can possibly have a root ball which fills up more of the container then if it grew naturally. The root balls I took out truly had a better formed main root system, and greater trichome production (viewed 10x, 100x micro) but was it worth the adding of growth time indoors, that depends on the situation.
It is questionable whether this is a worthwhile technique or not, although outside it really can have some amazing effects...I think it should be left more to nature, or I "guess" small cab grows, maybe...maybe not.
There must be info here on IC somewhere 'bout this stuff, but how to search I do not know???? keywords jumbled...no realistic terminology that I know of..."underplanting"...just made it up...JMIU
If you want to give this a try don't forget easy on the nutes, particularly on a seedling, and no the stem should not rot if you do not excessively damage it, or over water the plant.
Take it cheesy.....
Front Widow, back blueberry, left side (your left) underplanted ladies middle and right, not underplanted. FYI this picture doesn't really show much... and so we will leave this concept debatable...till I find more pictures, which will still prove nothing of this technique...because they were not done empirically
. Stoners suck.... I mean rule...Oh wait, I'm confused again, what's this empiricism. 
Yeah, I used to do this way back when.
Honestly, if it's a seedling, that's kinda a cool thing to do in a small grow. Most of my seedlings sprout root nubs up to about a inch or two below the first real leaves. The seedling may have a nice film towards the bottom of the stem, if this film very easily comes off root nubs may form in this area, particularly if it was planted rather shallow, or had varying light intensity during sprouting.
Most of my mums prefer being "under-planted" about 3 months into growth b/c they have roots coming out of the bottom part of the stem.(sometimes a few inches high...seems strain/ plant dependent...genetic markers??)..could show a pic one day once I run into it, sry not now, though.
Also, in my more savage experimental days.... I used the advice of one garden store owner, who suggested to me....being that tomatoes have similar growth characteristics...that when I plant tomatoes to take off the lower growth and to plant them about 5-10inches under the soil. The plants produce roots, particularly where you have removed the growth... I would get all scientific on you, but it's rather late for me to be cross-referencing terminology...and I'm rather anal about that, having my terms right. Spelling counts!- "the boring English taecher racked into my brain..."
The second part of info. that led me to experimenting with something that is best left alone and given plenty of love was....
A storm had come through the area and had knocked over a fellows plants...as I am sure some of us well know this "weed" will grow in almost any condition. Regardless, in the rain its' stem had been covered in soil and so where it had been destroyed, it came to life, the soil coated the crunched stem and just as a clone will root, so do these fallen over outdoor beauties. When the fellow came to visit three weeks later, he had a wonderful surprise..instead of a disaster...again...some of the best outdoor ever, he rants six years later.
So the experiments began, I was in my newb days with smaller gear and so if a lady stretched under the HPS in a corner she got the treatment....some just got coated slightly with rizopan and placed about a foot under the soil, others got bent and molded in shape with care not to break the stem excessively. If it broke excessively or had been mishandled in any way a strait h20 regime was needed for at least two weeks or severe stunting followed...being as the root ball could no longer sufficiently sustain the plant through the broken stem in an excessively nutritious environment. Just like cloning, baby!
Experiment summary... only purposely elongate and under plant your stems if you have a good reason to.
If you want a stronger root knob which may be able to uptake slightly more nutrients underplant your plants in the shape of a coil, and without adulterants if you plan on damaging the stem.
I found that the plants which were underplanted [WW and BB strains BTW] as opposed to the ones which were not had higher trichome formation even though they were placed on the edges of the grow. i.e. should be of a lesser quality. Also, I noticed they finished a few days (up to a week) later than the rest of the plants, this "underplanting" was done two - three weeks before bloom...dependent on growth characteristics.
It is important to keep the nute concentrations fairly low if you in any way rupture the stem... this is harsh, but in these areas more roots can be produced...In general nutes (E.C.-non-org) should be kept low BTW. cheche
I do not recommend this technique, unless one is willing to be patient and learn a little.
It is also for someone who has some time on their hands since it slows growth, but you can possibly have a root ball which fills up more of the container then if it grew naturally. The root balls I took out truly had a better formed main root system, and greater trichome production (viewed 10x, 100x micro) but was it worth the adding of growth time indoors, that depends on the situation.
It is questionable whether this is a worthwhile technique or not, although outside it really can have some amazing effects...I think it should be left more to nature, or I "guess" small cab grows, maybe...maybe not.
There must be info here on IC somewhere 'bout this stuff, but how to search I do not know???? keywords jumbled...no realistic terminology that I know of..."underplanting"...just made it up...JMIU
If you want to give this a try don't forget easy on the nutes, particularly on a seedling, and no the stem should not rot if you do not excessively damage it, or over water the plant.
Take it cheesy.....
Front Widow, back blueberry, left side (your left) underplanted ladies middle and right, not underplanted. FYI this picture doesn't really show much... and so we will leave this concept debatable...till I find more pictures, which will still prove nothing of this technique...because they were not done empirically
. Stoners suck.... I mean rule...Oh wait, I'm confused again, what's this empiricism.
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use a garbage bag wire tie wrap and tie the plant to its self.
ok its not letting me upload pics but imagine that u have a seedling ok and i have it in a lil plastic cup and u want the stem of the seedling to go around the full outside of the cup till it reaches itself then i want it to go to the middle then grow up what im asking is would it be ok to cover the stem that is all around the cup with soil ?
N. Accumbens
Member
...and what I am saying is yes it would be ok to cover it with soil, if you must.
Did you read my post, or do I have to keep going to 51 and stop there?
To quote myself.......
If you want to give this a try don't forget easy on the nutes, particularly on a seedling, and no the stem should not rot if you do not excessively damage it, or over water the plant.
Did you read my post, or do I have to keep going to 51 and stop there?
To quote myself.......
If you want to give this a try don't forget easy on the nutes, particularly on a seedling, and no the stem should not rot if you do not excessively damage it, or over water the plant.
the gardening technique being referred to is known as "layering".
N. Accumbens
Member
Guess I'll keep my posts short then....thanks gg always wondered what this method could be called ...layering....kool
Good luck with the layering, and yeah well my posts rant on...
should work on summarizing better...keeping only important parts, but then I'd be undiagnosable...and they could take away my meds...So FT.
Good luck with the layering, and yeah well my posts rant on...
should work on summarizing better...keeping only important parts, but then I'd be undiagnosable...and they could take away my meds...So FT.
bigdaredevil418
Member
N. Accumbens....you seem to be one smart dude. I've put you on my "buddy"list .... hope you dont mind. I figure i might ask you something in the future.
thank you
bdd
thank you
bdd
N. Accumbens
Member
Thanks...I definitely do not mind, and have been keeping along with your ??progress??
You have been making progress, and you ask the right questions.
I have a degree and am working on another or what not...does that mean I am smart?...No, but I appreciate your cyber vote for my intelligence or experience or whatever....I only take IQ tests while smoking one anyways....just started a degree in biochem...seems like it should be useful to our passion. cheche...well, the lab gear is fun, anyways. I'd consider myself more of a work in the making...similar to yourself...I learn fast...from what I can see you have been making big steps...and you do research.
My most important message is to do research, lot's of it, my 'rents used to say back in the day that if I spent as much time in any other genre of study...I would be a master at that thing. Before I was old enough to legally buy cig's I had read all the literature there pretty much was offered at the time except for R. Connell Clarke..hashish (1953ed), but have read the 98 ed since then [High Times editions were my comics...oh, I also liked Archie, though]. Get the grow Bibles, all of them really, get the older books by the same authors...you'll see how far we have traveled..truly very far. The editions may have some changes, but this helps one learn which path was drawn.
One by one get the books...or scour the amazing cyber world for what you can if you're short on 'cents...It's best to memorize the deficiencies..so you can look at you plant and go...o.k. is it coming from the top or the bottom, hence micro...macro nutrients...after awhile it'll take one look and you'll know what the problem could be...
S*it like that.
-but here I am going on and on even though I said I should keep my posts short.....I can't do it
I'm sorry
BTW the real "cool dudes" here hang out around the organics fanatics...If you prefer soil for now [soils the best IMO] check out the stickies of vonforne and burnone...they are mentors to many of us.
I'm pretty sure I'll be there soon so PM if you have any ?'s I'm getting a little scared of entering the boards with my "opinions" because I really hate to cause any heat, it kinda shuts the topic down, or a mad flaming party ensues. Plus I've decided to be an Indica only poster- meaning I will only post while absolutely retarded and couch-locked...my belief is that this should help. hehe
Thanks buddy...we cool! :friends:
You have been making progress, and you ask the right questions.
I have a degree and am working on another or what not...does that mean I am smart?...No, but I appreciate your cyber vote for my intelligence or experience or whatever....I only take IQ tests while smoking one anyways....just started a degree in biochem...seems like it should be useful to our passion. cheche...well, the lab gear is fun, anyways. I'd consider myself more of a work in the making...similar to yourself...I learn fast...from what I can see you have been making big steps...and you do research.
My most important message is to do research, lot's of it, my 'rents used to say back in the day that if I spent as much time in any other genre of study...I would be a master at that thing. Before I was old enough to legally buy cig's I had read all the literature there pretty much was offered at the time except for R. Connell Clarke..hashish (1953ed), but have read the 98 ed since then [High Times editions were my comics...oh, I also liked Archie, though]. Get the grow Bibles, all of them really, get the older books by the same authors...you'll see how far we have traveled..truly very far. The editions may have some changes, but this helps one learn which path was drawn.
One by one get the books...or scour the amazing cyber world for what you can if you're short on 'cents...It's best to memorize the deficiencies..so you can look at you plant and go...o.k. is it coming from the top or the bottom, hence micro...macro nutrients...after awhile it'll take one look and you'll know what the problem could be...
S*it like that.
-but here I am going on and on even though I said I should keep my posts short.....I can't do it
I'm sorry
BTW the real "cool dudes" here hang out around the organics fanatics...If you prefer soil for now [soils the best IMO] check out the stickies of vonforne and burnone...they are mentors to many of us.
I'm pretty sure I'll be there soon so PM if you have any ?'s I'm getting a little scared of entering the boards with my "opinions" because I really hate to cause any heat, it kinda shuts the topic down, or a mad flaming party ensues. Plus I've decided to be an Indica only poster- meaning I will only post while absolutely retarded and couch-locked...my belief is that this should help. hehe
Thanks buddy...we cool! :friends:
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