re learning BHO

[grod31]

k well i have been making BHO since like 2005 and apparently i have been doing it the wrong way
ths is what i do
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10110385
i have a few question

1)im gona take my first shot at purging some bho
i have gathered almost all of the materials the vacuum pump is an industrial 7 cfm pump. everyone else s using 2-4 am i gonna have any problem using this beast or will it jut go quicker?
2)s there a down side to using a small glass dish rather then parchment paper?
3)i blast my tube directly into water- why s that bad. i can find 100 post saying dont do it but i cant find a post that says why not. - the water does everything want it to.
4)i would like to know if the oil will still purge while floating on warm water?
if so why would i not want to do that?

I make oil for a friend of mine who is a vaper.i understand the quality of that oil, my question is
5)will purging/whipping bho from already vaped bud be able to turn into something solid?

thanks for any responses guys. i have searched for hours and have found the answers to all my questions except these.
i would appreciate any positive input

 

[jump /injack]

Think safety on this, you have a pretty violent reaction and lots of gas release. I wouldn't think that you'd want to be standing over this if a spark set it off. The premise of "If it can happen, it will happen" is a good one to remember. Possible 3rd degree burns for a little speedup isn't a good trade off.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

I already answered all of those questions for you in your other thread.

Yes, you can purge on glass under vacuum and heat just fine. Make sure your oil is in a thin film rather than thick to allow for the most surface area to release solvent.

The cfm rating stands for cubic feet per minute, this tells you how many cubic feet of air can be removed in a minute. A higher cfm rating is better for larger chambers or vacuum ovens and in no way will be a problem for smaller chambers, you will just get to full vacuum very fast. The micron rating on a vacuum pump tells you how deep of a vacuum the pump pulls, the lower the micron rating the deeper the vacuum.

Please stop purging like this, this is hands down the worst way to purge your bho. Oil isn't soluble in water so this doesn't help to purge the residual butane if anything it traps it in with lots of moisture. Purge in a thin film, under deep vacuum(-29.9hg) and constant heat of around 110-130F depending on the viscosity of the oil. This is the best way to purge your bho.

Does your oil turn black in storage? You also said you have been dabbing oil purged like this for years, may I ask what your breathing is like after dabbing this oil and does it irratate your lungs making you feel short of breath?

Vaped bud is usually fully decarboxylated and will yield a gooey less stable extract, that is dark and sticky. This extract will taste and smell just like vaped bud and would be good for oral consumption, but not enjoyable for vaporization.

As I said before oil is not water soluble, so spraying into water does nothing to help remove residual solvent from the inside of the resin, not only that but your trapping in huge amounts of water, which is hard to purge out and counter productive. I don't even like to blast on humid wet days because of the extra moisture butane picks up from the surrounding atmosphere. Please do not whip either, this is another horrible way to purge your butane, whipping will trap in moisture and butane.

Thin film vacuum purge at constant heat> everything

 

[KonradZuse]

People always spew you need vacuums and such, I say it's all BS. I used t water purp and got nice golden shatter(note I would run about a quarter oz at a time).....

Butane BOILS at 32F/0C, so when you use boiling water 212F/100C, your temp is HIGH. There is no enclosed space which some people do like, but you can enclose it if you wish.

No sparks, no bs.

Peopel also say whipping adds butane, but thast isn't true either. As Gray Wolf says all it does is add in air. The butane is being evapped out from inside, so you're saying whipping it is going to add more inside, or do something different than it already does?

Also it's impossible to get out all of the c3, and c4 molecules, because you will also take out monoterpenes.....

 

[Gray Wolf]

k well i have been making BHO since like 2005 and apparently i have been doing it the wrong way
ths is what i do
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10110385
i have a few question

1)im gona take my first shot at purging some bho
i have gathered almost all of the materials the vacuum pump is an industrial 7 cfm pump. everyone else s using 2-4 am i gonna have any problem using this beast or will it jut go quicker?
2)s there a down side to using a small glass dish rather then parchment paper?
3)i blast my tube directly into water- why s that bad. i can find 100 post saying dont do it but i cant find a post that says why not. - the water does everything want it to.
4)i would like to know if the oil will still purge while floating on warm water?
if so why would i not want to do that?

I make oil for a friend of mine who is a vaper.i understand the quality of that oil, my question is
5)will purging/whipping bho from already vaped bud be able to turn into something solid?

thanks for any responses guys. i have searched for hours and have found the answers to all my questions except these.
i would appreciate any positive input

How low will your pump pull down?

We use a borosilicate Petri dish, instead of parchment.

The essential oils are not 100% insoluble in water, so some is absorbed and hard to get rid of.

Besides washing away some of the flavor, if not completely removed, it can promote spoilage and molding.

It also requres excessive heat to purge out the water.

We do everything in our power to keep water out of our extractions.

 

[grod31]

blasting into water is 10X easier then blasting onto a tray.
maybe since i have been doing ths for years i have learned a few tricks. In no way is water gong to ge your oil moldy lol and i have stored it for months with no spoilag it has never once turned ?black? and no my lungs dont hurt?i get all the water out within 24 hours with minimal heat...
butane is also partially water soluble so it does help pull out some contamination.also some chlorophyll
the water also helps you get every.1 out of your dish within 1 min.

so the only reason water is bad is because collectively people feel it lowers the taste; and potency is lost after heat is added?

midwestHIGHS you answered all my questions? i must of missed these.
will still purge while floating on warm water?
will purging/whipping bho from already vaped bud be able to turn into something solid?
also still would like to know more reasons why blastng into water is bad since i am not sold.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

Ya if you read my post you'll notice I covered that, oil floating in warm water is not how you should be purging your oil and I explained why. I also covered your question of vaped bud in the end of the last quote. Purging oil like this is not proper technique regardless of how long you been doing it or how easy it is.

Konradzuse- Your not only whipping in air but moisture from the surrounding atmosphere as one attempts to purge the butane. And yes you can purge oil without the use of vacuum, but not as effiecently as with deep vacuum and constant heat. It's also very hard to get completley bubble free oil without the aid of vacuum. How would whipping add butane? lol It's not adding its trapping it in with moisture and air because of the strong agitation of the oil with large amounts of solvent still present.

 

[grod31]

yeah. thanks. never whipped my oil or said that i did. i will take what info i learned and start some experiments.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

What kind of degassing chamber are you planning on getting to go with your pump and do you know the brand name of the vacuum pump you have?

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Jesus, recently I had to explain this to someone who had been blasting into water for like 10 years. It was a stranger and it was face to face. My head almost exploded.

 

[Normlfightr]

i gotta second graywolf here, the man really knows his oil

 

[grod31]

the pump i have is a marathon electric 1/2 HP 7 CFM
http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co=52675&weiid=6446440&lang=En
i will buy a degassing chamber real soon but for now i just have a vacuum attachment made for ball jars( i know how unsafe it is)
hey ticklemyballs what dd you say to him in this argument.

 

[grod31]

also you are saying you can't get AVB oil to harden this is correct?

 

[midwestHIGHS]

You got it.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Pretty much the same things everyone has said here. Explained how butane boils at 32 degrees so its evaporating as soon as its out of the tube, so blasting into water is actually stopping the process and prolonging the purge.

Told him about vacuum purging, like a week later, the dude who he made his oil for came to me and said they got a pump and were waiting on the chamber.