Question about Finding a Good mother from Seeds.

[Indydude]

Hi am growing out some DJ Shorts True Blueberry and Some Serious AK47 from seed in hopes of finding a good mother to clone from for both strains. One thing I dont completly understand is if I flower all the Females out to see which is the better Pheno what do I do with the plants I want to clone from? How exactly do I get the plant to provide clones after I flower it for the first time? Is this called revegging or reverting? Please can some one provide a simple answer to this question?

 

[Dr Dog]

1.Grow all your plants.
2. take clones from each one
3. label each one
4. switch the lights to 12 12 after clones set up roots
5. the clones that start to flower are female

This way you will know which plants are female without inducing flowering on all your potential mothers.

 

[Guest]

What I do is take cuttings from each female and keep them in the veg stage,I flower out the seedplant and discard male seedplants and cuttings.Revegging is a lousy idea.I may get a good idea which clone to keep as a mother from the flowered seedplant,but thats all I'll get is an idea.I want to flower out the first set of clones before making a decision on which pheno to keep,its the finished clone you want to make your decision from not the finished seedplant.Of course I'll take cuttings from the clones before I flower them and keep them in veg

 

[Indydude]

Thanks for the info guys!

Thanks for the info guys!

Ok that makes sense to me. I will veg all the plants that I get from the seeds and take cuttings from them. Once the cuttings root then put them under 12/12 and see which of the plants are female. I will discard all the males and hermie plants and then keep which ever female clone produces the best bud.

Once I find the best mother then I should keep it in veg and clone from it always. All the other female plants that are not worthy will be thrown out.

Does that sound right?

 

[Guest]

Sounds good to me.I'll actually grow out a few generations of clones from all the female seedplants dropping a pheno here and there along the way until I'm left with the most desirable pheno.I look for quality,yield and finishing time

 

[Indydude]

Sounds good to me. Thanks for the info.

 

[captainjack]

Hi am growing out some DJ Shorts True Blueberry and Some Serious AK47 from seed in hopes of finding a good mother to clone from for both strains. One thing I dont completly understand is if I flower all the Females out to see which is the better Pheno what do I do with the plants I want to clone from?

take clones from each to keep in veg., then flower the seedplants = easiest way.

How exactly do I get the plant to provide clones after I flower it for the first time? Is this called revegging or reverting?

revegging. and its not always easy : /
reverting is easier; the process of tricking a clone taken already in flower, to 'revert' back into veg.

Please can some one provide a simple answer to this question?

u got it :smile:

 

[Guest]

If you want to keep a pheno around for any length of time taking clones from clones the very best advice I can give is to take all of you cuttings in veg,starting with the original seedplant and from each successive "generation" after that,any kind of revegging,reverting or taking cuttings after 12/12 has commenced will result in degradation on down the line.Ideally you want your cuttings to be good "veg" cuttings as free from pistils as possible.I've been growing clones of clones from a blockhead pheno well over 2 years now and when I put my cuttings to veg,they have very few pistils.This is after umpteen "generations".Had I taken any cuttings along the way after 12/12,even just a few days or a week with some pheno's,my vegging cuttings would be full of pistils and have mutated single and three bladed fan leaves.I think we've all seen this before lol,you want to avoid this with perpetual cloning.Forget all thoughts of revegging or reverting because its revolting lol,if perpetual cloning is what you're attempting.

 

[Indydude]

Ok SKELETOR so what you are saying is stick to the orginal plan, dont flower out the plants from seed, only flower out the clones from those Plants from Seed to find out which plant is male and which plant grows the best buds.

Its not a good idea to try to reveging or reverting because of degradation to the quality of the plant over time.

Did I sum it up correctly?

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

Flower one or the other, but keep one of them in a continious veg state.
(My personal choice is to flower the seed start and keep the main growth tip cutting as my mommie. If you let the seed started plant grow some beyond alternating internodes - and you cut back to where the internodes are equal - it's not as good as a FIM cut, but you use all of the top - and bigger parts grow roots faster and you get 2 solid growth tips in the seed started one) also - also - if the tip fails to root, you can now take two tips the second time - or for just in case on high dollar seeds)

A wise grower might keep notes - as to nute sensitivity, growth vigor etc.

I never choose till after the harvest and the buds are dried and cured.

You may choose for the size of the yeild or the quality, taste, potency - or color - or all of the above (don't get your hopes up.) (well to high) - if there is such a thing. (as too high)

I always choose my "keepers" by quality - some choose yeild. While we will both always have weed - mine is ALWAYS better. I've discarded some nice plants, but the one I have kept are called "un-optain-ium" locally. All my keepers are Diesel hybreds


I advise starting 3 times as many seeds as you can possibly grow. Start them in small pots - did I say small? 8 to 10 oz styro cups small.
Figgure you can grow 10 plants. That means 20 to 30 units between the cloner and ready to flower. --- adjust your plan accordingly, but plan on a few more plants - half will be males on average and 10 to 20% of the remainers stand a good chance of not thriving. And there is nothing worse than having a few plants and mucking them all up at once - and you will.

If you loose some and still have healthy ones, you learn and harvest - life is good

I was going to start a thread on marking clones and cuttings - it's really important to keep genetic lines srtaight if your looking for that one special plant. I have some tags that are as fine as the hair on a baby butt - I'll get a pic.

 

[TGT]

I agree 100% with Skeletor. I have had my AK strain for three years now and have taken clone from clone only in veg and have had no problems at all to date. My elite Blueberry Punch was cloned for ten years now (from what I have been told) and I have had it for four generations now. It's just as good as it has always been.

One time I had a California Orange that was exceptional and wanted to keep. I took clone from clone for a year and a half and all was well. At the end I let her bud for three weeks before taking clones. After that she lost potency and just wasn't the same primo weed anymore.

So I too can say from experience, it is best to clone from a clone and never let it go into bud unless you plan on not cloning from the budded plant and only clone from one in veg.

TGT

 

[Indydude]

Ok so I will stick with Testing the plants by cloning them after they have been in veg for? I don't know? How big does a plant have to be from seed to start taking clones from it?

Just big enough to get one clone off it to throw it into flower? Or would it be better to take 2 clones from it so I would have 2 buds to test after flowering?

How long do most of you guys let a plant you grow from seed grow in veg before you start testing your clones? I would assume ASAP.

Thanks for everyones input, I am learning lots.

 

[Closet Funk]

Taking clones from all female plants and then flowering out the donors is a good way to see which female is ideal for a mother plant. When you sample the finished product you can pick your favorite.

 

[Guest]

I agree with closet funk,for the most part when you flower the seedplants you'll have a good idea of which one you want to perpetually clone.I always flower out at least 1 set of clones from all the female plants before really making that final decision.Like I said you'll get a good idea from the flowered seedplant,but I want to see what the flowered clone looks like and how long it takes to finish as opposed to the seedplant,there may be subtle differences especially in finishing times.The bottom line is I want to make my decision of phenotype from the flowerd clone as opposed to the flowered seedplant which at times we all know tend to be monsters.

 

[Indydude]

Ok I see everybody does things alittle different which is good, there more than one way to skin a cat.

So some people will grow the seed into a plant, then after that plant vegs for awhile they will take a clone from it to keep in veg, then they will put the plant we have grown from seed into flower and see how she comes out. If you like the results then you will just start taking clones from the clone we took off the plant before we flowered her. Does that sound right?

And Then some people will grow a seed into a plant and keep it in veg, then we will take a clone from that plant and put it into flower to see how she comes out. If we like the way she comes out then we can just start taking more clones from the mother that we have kept in veg only.

And i think what some of you are saying is that taking a clone from a plant that has already started the 12/12 flowering schedule only leads to degradation of the quality of the bud, and any clone taken there after will be of a lesser quality. Am I getting this right?

The one thing I am confused about is this internoding thing. Is it bad to let a plant that you grow from seed veg for a long time? Does it start growing lots of nodes when I only want a few? Does it even matter?

Thanks again for everybodys input.

 

[mybeans420]

And i think what some of you are saying is that taking a clone from a plant that has already started the 12/12 flowering schedule only leads to degradation of the quality of the bud, and any clone taken there after will be of a lesser quality. Am I getting this right?

Hi all,

I gotta disagree on this one.
I'm sorry, but as a generalization this just isn't true. Personally, I have revegged the same specimens which were the clones of the original seed moms for up to 4 cycles (the last one being outdoors) with absolutely NO degradation in either potency, yield or vigor.

Now, I will concede that this could also be strain or even specimen specific. Perhaps the sensi star specimens i had (2 dif phenos, 3 clones of one, 2 of the other) were more hardy in terms of being able to recuperate from being reverted back into veg from flower, but if anything I noticed a slight increase in vigor where flower production was concerned. I just attributed it to the fact that with each successive crop the plants had a better established infrastructure to support a healthier flowering onset.

One thing I can't stress enough though, is proper root pruning prior to transitioning back into veg. For example, when revegging from standard 3 gal nursery pots I would remove approx. 30-40% of the root balls' volume from the outer edge and bottom and then repot back into the same pots with fresh soil and a root stimulator such as "ROOTS" granular.

During those plants' last veg cycle (outdoors) I cloned them again to get cuttings to take back inside and again, experienced no decline in potency, yield or vigor. Those clones were reveged with the same results.

I think it's important to keep in mind we are growing a very robust, hardy WEED that is extremely resilient provided it's needs are met.

Just one more of the many different ways to do things Indydude.

Peace,
Beans

 

[southpaw]

From a botany standpoint this thread has verified alot of things I'd already read. Here's a related question I have for people with limited space. I'd love to start cloning for a good mother on my next run, but I just don't know where I'd keep her. Any other apartment dwellers solved this problem? And as far as bare minimum wattage, will a shoplight do the trick or no?

I've seen the bonsai thread so I know mothers can be kept very small. Help me brainstorm where to keep one!

 

[TGT]

A mother can be kept with a shop light (flourecents) with no trouble. I have done it many times. For vigorous groth the more light the better, but mothers can be kept small and with minimal light if need be. To save room you don't even need to keep a mother, just clone from a clone. With a small grow area this is the easiest way.

TGT

 

[Guest]

I was going to say of room is a problem,I've never kept mother plants either I just take cuttings from clones for years in some cases.I've only taken cuttings twice that were put into 12/12 or revegged and both times the same thing happened,I experienced "pistilly" vegging cuttings with mutated fan leaves.I suggest everyone just try for themselves because it could be a strain specific thing,I dont think so though,I've heard it happen to way too many people over the years.I'll jst always take my cuts in veg because I know this way if the plants dont get any kind of disease,I can do this literally as long as I want.Man I've got some good strains to pick pheno's from this time around too,a bit much in reality lol.Besides the blockhead that I'll keep around forever I have female seeds cindy 99,ice ,grapefruit and white widow and dutch passion fem blueberry and skywalker.You can bet I'll have my magnifying glass handy this entire grow,its going to be a challenge not letting a single male part into my domain