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Question about "continuing criminal enterprise"

Yes4Prop215

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here are a few cases in california where growers and dispensary owners have been convicted of CCE..
http://www.medicalmarijuanaofamerica.com/pows/incarcerated-now.html

If you deal with dispensaries or brokers, you should be aware of Continuing Criminal Enterprise...its the strongest weapon that LEO has against growers, brokers, and dispensaries...The MMS ranges from 5 to 20 years to life if you are charged federally with Conspiracy to Distribute marijuana and conspiracy to cultivate...it applies when someone is engaged in the growing and sale of marijuana for an extended period of time and are involved with other people committing similar felonies as well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_Criminal_Enterprise
he Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute (commonly referred to as CCE Statute or The Kingpin Statute) is a United States federal law that targets large-scale drug traffickers who are responsible for long-term and elaborate drug conspiracies. Unlike the RICO Act, which covers a wide range of organized crime enterprises, the CCE statute covers only major narcotics organizations. CCE is codified as Chapter 13 of Title 21 of the United States Code, 21 U.S.C. § 848. The statute makes it a federal crime to commit or conspire to commit a continuing series of felony violations of the 1970 Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act when such acts are taken in concert with 5 or more other persons. For conviction under this statute, the offender must have been an organizer, manager, or supervisor of the continuing operation and have obtained substantial income or resources from the drug violations.[1]




SO MY QUESTION IS.....is the 5 people a set number? because in some of the medical marijuana cases listed in the first case, it doesnt sound like there were 5 people involved...


Also, do those 5 people need to know eachother? Can i get convicted simply because i am a grower who sells to a guy who sells to a guy who is involved in interstate distribution, or if the investigation begins out of state? Even if i dont know the big distributor, dont have his number, dont have any logged phone conversations...Or another case where a grower simply supplies most of his warez to a dispensary that gets raided for their own problems...and they bring the grower in because he was the "supplier" to the criminal enterprise...

for example, i read about a case in florida where they were investigating a group of pot dealers....they found out the weed was being shipped from southern california...and the traced to weed from florida all the way back to Socal and arrested the shipper AND the grower.....not sure if that case went to CCE i dont remember...

im sick and tired of people thinking you can come to california and grow commercially "legally" its simply not true.....doesnt matter how many scripts you have, if you have a bogus cultivation permit...once they pass the case off to the feds it becomes a whole different ballgame....if you run a decent sized grow and collect cash for donations, and you sell to dispensaries or brokers that could be involved in very illegal activities, you could be at risk of serious charges.....Dustin Costa was not charged with CCE but his charge of manufactoring marijuana got him almost 10 years in prison for 900 plants..and the dudes an ex-marine and has a 300 member co-op..


any lawyers or those with experiance care to elaborate or call BS on my fear mongering so i can sleep better tonight?
 
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Stay Puft

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IMHO: Your question cannot be answered. The RICO act was made ambiguous (at best) for a reason.
It is more about the money than the amount of people involved.

I believe the US Government is actually guilty of creating an ongoing criminal organization. They collect taxes from state dispensaries ...yet they have this plant listed as a schedule 1 substance.
Like I said IMHO. ;)
 

huligun

Professor Organic Psychology
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While reading that I thought of the Rico Act as well, Thanks Stay Puff

It is a tool that law enforcement created that is constitutionally questionable and broad in it's application. It was a way to make people do hard federal time when the charges would otherwise not warrant it.

Apparently the federal government of the USA is going to deal with those involved in the marijuana industry like racketeers.
 

supermanlives

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i know someone who describes what you posted exactly. they caught the guy in florida and traced it all back here to so cal.there was a huge ring. the grow i saw after the bust was 30k flower and they had alot more.its all friendly her in so cal till the feds find your ass.thats why if i deal with dispensaries i want $$$$$$. i aint signing shit and no checks.
 

Yes4Prop215

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heres a link where a lawyer says they only need 2 people to charge with conspiracy...and also 75% of all federal cases have a conspiracy charge added in there. so just talking to your broker about moving large amounts of weight, even if you never even attempt to move the weight....might get you in more trouble...
http://www.runfola-criminal-defense.com/PracticeAreas/Conspiracy-in-Federal-Cases.asp

shit is pretty scary....people out here talk about 10 pack deals left and right like its so casual too.."oh its california, my friend got pulled over with 5 lbs and let off, its all good" is the kind of mindset alot of people out here...most folks think im overly paranoid..
 

huligun

Professor Organic Psychology
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Never let your guard down, never trust anyone you work with completely, work with as few people as possible, even if it cost you a lot of money. Money don't do you know good if you are locked up for 5 years, and most lose all their money anyway.

The most successful operations I know of have two people. One of a wholesaler and the other is a grower. You cannot get huge in that kind of operation, but you have smaller risk in the long run.
 

jescowhite

Member
Question about "continuing criminal enterprise"

Conspiracy charges suck. You don't even have know all your conspirators for it to stick like glue. Shit, Kevin bacon is probably in a conspiracy and doesn't even know it.

It's not a conspiracy for me to sell you weed (hypothetical), but if we have an agreement (or appears as such etc.) that I supply you ... That is a conspiracy. But we can all sit in a circle, buy & sell weed and that's not a conspiracy.

Be careful out there, seen a couple 25+ person cases this year in norcal, where it would seem they got growers, various brokers all down the line to the east coast, pretty much the whole shabang.

Always wear gloves!
 
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