Pyganic 5% application rate question for drench?
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SeaMaiden
Whenever I'm in such a quandary, I begin looking at the edible plant dosing rates. If they have dosing rates for grapes specifically, I go with that, but usually it's the same for grapes as it is for things like stone fruits.
You've got the label/MSDS on it, yes?
You've got the label/MSDS on it, yes?
Or rates for tomatoes..... might be a bit more "apples to apples".
SKUNK420
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I've used Evergreen up to 5ml per gallon on my transplanted clones in rockwool 3x3 cubes. I used a couple clones as guinea pigs to tested it out before giving them all that amount. I sprayed the leaves and poured it into the rockwool. After a couple of days of this treatment the aphids were dead. I didn't have to adjust the pH because at 5ml per gallon, the pH with r/o water was 5.3 or a little higher.
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SeaMaiden
The clones, or the root aphids?
Yes, or tomatoes. But for me the closest "apple" to cannabis are actually peppers, and I don't see them labelled often. I guess that means that if I use a product that's not labelled for peppers, I'm technically breaking the law.
Once you find the application rate... make sure you use it appropriately to break the breeding cycle.
Dip the entire root ball for a soak. Repeat in 4 days. Then wait 7 days and dip, wait 4 days and dip.
This isn't a 'contact' kill so when you see aphids running around after the drench, don't be surprised as it's normal.
Stay Safe!
SKUNK420
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Once you find the application rate... make sure you use it appropriately to break the breeding cycle.
Dip the entire root ball for a soak. Repeat in 4 days. Then wait 7 days and dip, wait 4 days and dip.
This isn't a 'contact' kill so when you see aphids running around after the drench, don't be surprised as it's normal.
Stay Safe!
True they have to continue to eat the plant and ingest the pyrethrin
Make sure you pH anything you add to the root zone. I found that out the hard way with a Bayer 3in1 product. I mixed up a batch , poured it through my plants root zone and they died in a few days from the pH being to acidic. I did not add it to the E&F reservoir.
SKUNK420
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What killed my plants was a Bayer product it dropped my pH to like 3.0 and the roots got burned from being to acidic, I messed up and did not pH it. Used it one time as a root drench and not in my reservoir.
I'm currently using both evergreen @ 3ml and avid @ 1ml mixed up in 1 gallon of water at the same time with no problems. Evergreen alone takes a couple days of usage to be affective.
While Avid straight up kills on contact and continues to kill for 3 to 4 weeks but I would still do a follow up treatment one week later. Of course try to do all of this while in veg. so hopefully your not smoking any residue when you harvest.
check out the other aphid thread for some more info:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=228387
The best thing is prevention. We are our own worst enemies when it comes to bugs in the grow room. Always treat your clones when they are small, it's a lot easier then spraying/dunking 2 foot bushes. Always treat new clones no matter where you get them from. Don't be in a rush and tell yourself you'll handle it later because bugs do not stop popping out new babies.
I'm currently using both evergreen @ 3ml and avid @ 1ml mixed up in 1 gallon of water at the same time with no problems. Evergreen alone takes a couple days of usage to be affective.
While Avid straight up kills on contact and continues to kill for 3 to 4 weeks but I would still do a follow up treatment one week later. Of course try to do all of this while in veg. so hopefully your not smoking any residue when you harvest.
check out the other aphid thread for some more info:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=228387
The best thing is prevention. We are our own worst enemies when it comes to bugs in the grow room. Always treat your clones when they are small, it's a lot easier then spraying/dunking 2 foot bushes. Always treat new clones no matter where you get them from. Don't be in a rush and tell yourself you'll handle it later because bugs do not stop popping out new babies.
Did you pH the solution after adding the Bayer product..... and then the pH dropped over time??
Or did you skip setting the mixed solution pH to what was proper?
Appreciate the clarification there....
SKUNK420
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here you go and I changed / update my previous posts
I added like 3 to 5 ml per ga. of Bayer 3 in 1 product for roses that has pesticides,fungicide, and nutrients and did not pH it. I didn't think it would matter for a one time drench. I was hoping to handle the aphids and help prevent powdery mildew in one shot. I dunked the pots in a bucket of the solution then put them back in the flood and drain tables.
I continued to water the tables as normal and over the next couple of days they just started dying. After reading the guide to sick plants I decided to mix up the same solution and the pH was down to 3.0. The roots were burnt to hell and the aphids were laughing at me.
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Skunk420- Thanks for the clarification. I dosed them last night at 3ml per gallon (of 5%) along with my nutes. I am going to up the dose to 5 ml per gallon in 3 days.
For you guys wondering about Bayer: I used Bayer Complete at 15ml per gallon (this is the dosage I have seen recommended and is whats on the label) and I did initially see a bounce back from the plants, but eventually the RAs just came back. I even dosed them a second time and same thing. I was hoping this was the cure-all, but it wasn't for me. Same thing with Spectracide with triazicide (used 15 ml; per gallon) it helped for a while, but they came back fast.
For you guys wondering about Bayer: I used Bayer Complete at 15ml per gallon (this is the dosage I have seen recommended and is whats on the label) and I did initially see a bounce back from the plants, but eventually the RAs just came back. I even dosed them a second time and same thing. I was hoping this was the cure-all, but it wasn't for me. Same thing with Spectracide with triazicide (used 15 ml; per gallon) it helped for a while, but they came back fast.
