N
newbieb
well i heard there once was a purple haze made by the haze bros. does any one knowthe original strains that were used to make the purple haze
-
ICMag with help from Landrace Warden and The Vault is running a NEW contest in November! You can check it here. Prizes are seeds & forum premium access. Come join in!
N
newbieb
well im also wondering if maybe the seeds that some of the shadier company may be real? 
Reign of Terror
Active member
you need to use the search button before you post pal
G
Guest
utoh, ya just hit on my favorite subject
purple haze is none other then the columbian phenotype in original haze. some purp with temps and others will purp under normal growin conditions.
there is no actual purple haze offerins, never was, other then crosses with purple plants.
have been workin towards the purple in the haze myself, and have a batch of beans i did with a purple female and two males, one purple one green. hopein to up the number of purple plants in the haze.
have a bunch archived and will dig it up and post here.
CBF
purple haze is none other then the columbian phenotype in original haze. some purp with temps and others will purp under normal growin conditions.
there is no actual purple haze offerins, never was, other then crosses with purple plants.
have been workin towards the purple in the haze myself, and have a batch of beans i did with a purple female and two males, one purple one green. hopein to up the number of purple plants in the haze.
have a bunch archived and will dig it up and post here.
CBF
G
Guest
"Purple haze was a strain from positronics .
Which is haze x purple#1 . Before that was no such thing as purple
haze . There was only haze from the haze brothers"
SamS,
What a crock, Positronics did not even have any Haze until I gave it
to them after the mid 1980's. They crossed Haze with a local Pars
Purple outdoor variety that was weak shit pot that had a nice color.
FYI, Purple Haze was sold in the early 1970's by the Haze Brothers
in Santa Cruz, I should know I smoked it back then every day for
years....
BTW, some of the Purple Haze needed cold to turn purple, others did
not need cold and were purple even if never cold. Purple Haze was
pure Original Haze, and the purple color was not dominate, so easy to
lose.
I also like the Silver Blue, and Lime Green Haze better then the
Purple Haze, because they were more up, clear, and energetic in the
high. But the Purple may have been the strongest Haze and got the top
prices. It also looked great.
Did eneyone ever hear the band the Original Haze? Jerry Miller from
the Moby Grape started the group in the 70's after smoking the
Original Haze in Santa Cruz. He loved the Haze and bought a lot!!!
-SamS
joellama,
The question is "i'm pretty sure the haze bros have kept a clone or
two or original haze"
SamS,
First of all neither Haze Brother is still a grower, second they
never made clones or used clones when they were growers. But if you
are pretty sure then you must be right, even though you have never
met the Haze brothers or smoked any of "their" Original Haze, have you?
-SamS
The haze bros. gave birth to the strain that is the real purple haze.
The columbian part of the haze was done by the haze bros. It is this
original columbian pheno that came to be known as the purple haze.
Their original haze was created by using several landraces: mexican,
thai, Indian and columbian. This line was never stabilized by them,
but passed on as seeds and eventually clones. wernard of positronics
fame had two or three of the original clones and made seeds with them
years ago. Among the clones he had, was the purple pheno or purple
haze. nevil and Shantitaba also both posess the original haze
line(haze bros) and are still working with them(although they only
sell hybrids). Purple haze is still out there, either in seeds or
clones. I know several people with seeds via the bros, but haven't
seen the purple clone in several years. But I'm sure there are many
others who hold their clone or seeds very close.
I think alot of the mixup on this strain and doubts have stemmed from
songs and for the fact that many people call any purple weed, purple
haze due to it's hype. Although, this makes it more difficult to
verify for some and a myth like G13, there is still a real purple
haze around.
That being said, there are probably 5000 to 1 hybrids of the haze
around compared to the original. This is for many reasons. easy of
growth and finishing time being the most common. And this has not
really diluted the line, just made it much harder for the average
customer/grower to obtain, as many haven't preserved or sold their
original, never crossed lines.
I also have to say, I find an African haze very hard to believe. I
have grown pure sativas for close to thirty years, many being
African, columbian, and thai. I have never once found an african
sativa that even slightly resembled a pure haze. Don't get me wrong,
I'm not ragging on you or anything, as it's possible you may hold the
only african haze in your garden, and it's never seen
the light of day or by anyone else for that matter. Just my personal
experience. take care
GM
I passed on the Purple Haze from Positronics, but Posi was the source
of my Haze pictured, Positronics "Original Haze". Their "Purple Haze"
was a hybrid i believe w/maybe purple#1?. You'll have to check with
Sam Skunkman as to what the other component in the Purple Haze was,
he was doing the breeding for them at the time. What folks really
want is the pure haze, but they just can't get that song out of their
heads
Best Regards,
Tom
Hello all
it seems all of you are deeply moved by trying to prove some points
here. Maybe I can try and clarify somethings for you.
Nev and Sam worked on several things together at one stage in their
careers. This meant there was shared work in seed and clone form. The
Haze originals and the Skunk lines were two of these . The Haze bros
were their original source of Haze in seed form. However after people
begin working on seed from this point on only their particular
versions of what they gave names to were based on their particular
versions of that line.So of course differences will be manifest in
breeding lines.
While Nev and I and Arjan joined forces Nev did his lines and I did
for the GHSco selling our versions originally under the GHSco name.
While Sam and Dave and others did their thing and in their versions
(selection). The Sensi seed was originally Nev who supplied Ben with
strains to sell in his shops. When Nev finished with Sensi like when
Nev and I finished with GHSco we took our versions of the cup winning
pedigrees away leaving only the strains that were owned jointly by
the seed companies in question. What happened to the Haze and
breeding programs at Sensi and GHSco neither Nev or I can be
responsible for. What is clear is now at Mr Nice Seedbank the
original versions of selected female and male plants that won all
those cups with our old seed companies got a home together. What Sam
and the others did with their versions I and Nev can also not be sure.
So if this helps clear up some of your myths I will be glad as I think
that the proof is in the pudding. Grow out the versions and see for
yourselves if you are still a skeptic...that is always my solution to
curb all the bullshit that is floating in hot air.
All the best Shantibaba
There was also lots of 'Hazes' or 'Haze herb' so everyone might be
right, as it was a generic termingology for being 'hazed' out,
applied to the best herb...imho.
From the 50s there was great Mex and Colombian imports into the US,
mostly small private importers i would assume. From the early 60s the
communes in Cali where trying to grow/acclimatise some of these
import genetics.
Haze was a generic name coined by them for these lines i think.
As the seeds for many of these early grows would have been bag seed
the name would have been chosen to fit, and what a perfect fit the
name 'Haze' is for the Best S.American Sativas..but no one knows the
varieties that went into any of these other lines. As prior to
landraces being collected in the 60/70's there was only really seed
from import, odd seeds here and there from mostly unknown strains.
Collections of specific cultivars collected at source started in the
60s, and KIA4S one of the very first and all time greatest
collectors..
When the returnees from the early Nam excursions came home there was
also Thai experience available, this from the mid to late 50's! Many
of the Cali communes where growing and developing 'Haze' lines to
fuel the rapidly expanding market in Cali. Nam returnees are recorded
as saying they where 'Hazed' in the jungle in Thailand in the late
50s on great Thais. Special Ops returnees, in '56..
The biggest suppliers at the time in Cali where also becoming highly
organised and profficent growers to back up the imports and produce
insitu in Cali..but they where also seeking out and bringing back the
best herb from most corners of the great herb growing regions, South
America and Asia particulary. It must have been a incredibly connisuer
market in Cali at the time. So if the 'Origional Haze' was the best
of these, ever, it must have been just as incredible and legendry as
its described to be, i can believe it to be like a lick of Acid.
Only looks like a couple of these Haze lines have remained in pure
forms. Albeit many times inbred from the origionals. The 'Origional
Haze' marketed and developed by the Haze Bros was indeed the most
famous, maybe because of its BOEL connection, the most expensive ever
and last of the truly great 'Hazes', purely bred to feed that real
old school hippy market who had been brought up on the absolute
finest landrace Sativas from South America and Asia. So it must have
been good.
Thanks to the Haze bros and KIA4s, BOEL etc we have the great
legend of the 'Origional Haze', the one sold in Cali in the 70's
with the posters, tshirts, etc, and proberly the best herb grown
anywhere on earth at the time, but not the only Haze lines there
where. They started breeding their Haze in 69/70 i think.
KIA4S is 100% right as usual, the only 'Origional Haze' there is, is
from the lines of the 'Haze Bros' of Santa Cruz, and thanks to him,
the third Haze brother, its been shared with the world, the legendry
Origional Haze, possibly the best herb grown anywhere on earth, ever!
but not the only Haze.
Just my take on it..
Queijo
Which is haze x purple#1 . Before that was no such thing as purple
haze . There was only haze from the haze brothers"
SamS,
What a crock, Positronics did not even have any Haze until I gave it
to them after the mid 1980's. They crossed Haze with a local Pars
Purple outdoor variety that was weak shit pot that had a nice color.
FYI, Purple Haze was sold in the early 1970's by the Haze Brothers
in Santa Cruz, I should know I smoked it back then every day for
years....
BTW, some of the Purple Haze needed cold to turn purple, others did
not need cold and were purple even if never cold. Purple Haze was
pure Original Haze, and the purple color was not dominate, so easy to
lose.
I also like the Silver Blue, and Lime Green Haze better then the
Purple Haze, because they were more up, clear, and energetic in the
high. But the Purple may have been the strongest Haze and got the top
prices. It also looked great.
Did eneyone ever hear the band the Original Haze? Jerry Miller from
the Moby Grape started the group in the 70's after smoking the
Original Haze in Santa Cruz. He loved the Haze and bought a lot!!!
-SamS
joellama,
The question is "i'm pretty sure the haze bros have kept a clone or
two or original haze"
SamS,
First of all neither Haze Brother is still a grower, second they
never made clones or used clones when they were growers. But if you
are pretty sure then you must be right, even though you have never
met the Haze brothers or smoked any of "their" Original Haze, have you?
-SamS
The haze bros. gave birth to the strain that is the real purple haze.
The columbian part of the haze was done by the haze bros. It is this
original columbian pheno that came to be known as the purple haze.
Their original haze was created by using several landraces: mexican,
thai, Indian and columbian. This line was never stabilized by them,
but passed on as seeds and eventually clones. wernard of positronics
fame had two or three of the original clones and made seeds with them
years ago. Among the clones he had, was the purple pheno or purple
haze. nevil and Shantitaba also both posess the original haze
line(haze bros) and are still working with them(although they only
sell hybrids). Purple haze is still out there, either in seeds or
clones. I know several people with seeds via the bros, but haven't
seen the purple clone in several years. But I'm sure there are many
others who hold their clone or seeds very close.
I think alot of the mixup on this strain and doubts have stemmed from
songs and for the fact that many people call any purple weed, purple
haze due to it's hype. Although, this makes it more difficult to
verify for some and a myth like G13, there is still a real purple
haze around.
That being said, there are probably 5000 to 1 hybrids of the haze
around compared to the original. This is for many reasons. easy of
growth and finishing time being the most common. And this has not
really diluted the line, just made it much harder for the average
customer/grower to obtain, as many haven't preserved or sold their
original, never crossed lines.
I also have to say, I find an African haze very hard to believe. I
have grown pure sativas for close to thirty years, many being
African, columbian, and thai. I have never once found an african
sativa that even slightly resembled a pure haze. Don't get me wrong,
I'm not ragging on you or anything, as it's possible you may hold the
only african haze in your garden, and it's never seen
the light of day or by anyone else for that matter. Just my personal
experience. take care
GM
I passed on the Purple Haze from Positronics, but Posi was the source
of my Haze pictured, Positronics "Original Haze". Their "Purple Haze"
was a hybrid i believe w/maybe purple#1?. You'll have to check with
Sam Skunkman as to what the other component in the Purple Haze was,
he was doing the breeding for them at the time. What folks really
want is the pure haze, but they just can't get that song out of their
heads
Best Regards,
Tom
Hello all
it seems all of you are deeply moved by trying to prove some points
here. Maybe I can try and clarify somethings for you.
Nev and Sam worked on several things together at one stage in their
careers. This meant there was shared work in seed and clone form. The
Haze originals and the Skunk lines were two of these . The Haze bros
were their original source of Haze in seed form. However after people
begin working on seed from this point on only their particular
versions of what they gave names to were based on their particular
versions of that line.So of course differences will be manifest in
breeding lines.
While Nev and I and Arjan joined forces Nev did his lines and I did
for the GHSco selling our versions originally under the GHSco name.
While Sam and Dave and others did their thing and in their versions
(selection). The Sensi seed was originally Nev who supplied Ben with
strains to sell in his shops. When Nev finished with Sensi like when
Nev and I finished with GHSco we took our versions of the cup winning
pedigrees away leaving only the strains that were owned jointly by
the seed companies in question. What happened to the Haze and
breeding programs at Sensi and GHSco neither Nev or I can be
responsible for. What is clear is now at Mr Nice Seedbank the
original versions of selected female and male plants that won all
those cups with our old seed companies got a home together. What Sam
and the others did with their versions I and Nev can also not be sure.
So if this helps clear up some of your myths I will be glad as I think
that the proof is in the pudding. Grow out the versions and see for
yourselves if you are still a skeptic...that is always my solution to
curb all the bullshit that is floating in hot air.
All the best Shantibaba
There was also lots of 'Hazes' or 'Haze herb' so everyone might be
right, as it was a generic termingology for being 'hazed' out,
applied to the best herb...imho.
From the 50s there was great Mex and Colombian imports into the US,
mostly small private importers i would assume. From the early 60s the
communes in Cali where trying to grow/acclimatise some of these
import genetics.
Haze was a generic name coined by them for these lines i think.
As the seeds for many of these early grows would have been bag seed
the name would have been chosen to fit, and what a perfect fit the
name 'Haze' is for the Best S.American Sativas..but no one knows the
varieties that went into any of these other lines. As prior to
landraces being collected in the 60/70's there was only really seed
from import, odd seeds here and there from mostly unknown strains.
Collections of specific cultivars collected at source started in the
60s, and KIA4S one of the very first and all time greatest
collectors..
When the returnees from the early Nam excursions came home there was
also Thai experience available, this from the mid to late 50's! Many
of the Cali communes where growing and developing 'Haze' lines to
fuel the rapidly expanding market in Cali. Nam returnees are recorded
as saying they where 'Hazed' in the jungle in Thailand in the late
50s on great Thais. Special Ops returnees, in '56..
The biggest suppliers at the time in Cali where also becoming highly
organised and profficent growers to back up the imports and produce
insitu in Cali..but they where also seeking out and bringing back the
best herb from most corners of the great herb growing regions, South
America and Asia particulary. It must have been a incredibly connisuer
market in Cali at the time. So if the 'Origional Haze' was the best
of these, ever, it must have been just as incredible and legendry as
its described to be, i can believe it to be like a lick of Acid.
Only looks like a couple of these Haze lines have remained in pure
forms. Albeit many times inbred from the origionals. The 'Origional
Haze' marketed and developed by the Haze Bros was indeed the most
famous, maybe because of its BOEL connection, the most expensive ever
and last of the truly great 'Hazes', purely bred to feed that real
old school hippy market who had been brought up on the absolute
finest landrace Sativas from South America and Asia. So it must have
been good.
Thanks to the Haze bros and KIA4s, BOEL etc we have the great
legend of the 'Origional Haze', the one sold in Cali in the 70's
with the posters, tshirts, etc, and proberly the best herb grown
anywhere on earth at the time, but not the only Haze lines there
where. They started breeding their Haze in 69/70 i think.
KIA4S is 100% right as usual, the only 'Origional Haze' there is, is
from the lines of the 'Haze Bros' of Santa Cruz, and thanks to him,
the third Haze brother, its been shared with the world, the legendry
Origional Haze, possibly the best herb grown anywhere on earth, ever!
but not the only Haze.
Just my take on it..
Queijo
Reign of Terror said:
Are you always this coarse???
G
Guest
the Haze line i decided to go with was offered by TomHill, you want to find original Haze. only haze i know of at this point is TFDs offerin, and i believe they worked there haze more towards the Thai in the haze. which is one of the main reasons i went with THs offerin, as 20% of the female population will purp, and 5% of those worth a rip.
heres some pics from TomHill of his original haze (THESE ARE NOT MY PICS)
CBF
SLATHER ON THEM BEAUTIES
heres some pics from TomHill of his original haze (THESE ARE NOT MY PICS)
CBF
SLATHER ON THEM BEAUTIES
G
Guest
motaco said:
yeah bro, them pics are worn out, lol.
love da haze
CBF
G
Guest
go get 'em CBF!!! nice pix, as always man. love this topic, myself.
G
Guest
I guess I can't really say anything more than what was said in that one post(alot of quotes/info there).
All I can say is that I think the average pot smoker who hasn't had the privilege of reading 100+ "purple haze" forum posts will generally think of "purple haze" as the holy grail, just because of the hype it's been given in music in the past(there's the hendrix debate..I do believe that it was acid...then there's the rappers, who automatically thought of it as weed and rap about it although they've never smoked it). It's not black and white. Of course there's a 100% haze that's purple..it's GOING to happen...but - as with most strains - you'll be better off with the green variety for quality.
All I can say is that I think the average pot smoker who hasn't had the privilege of reading 100+ "purple haze" forum posts will generally think of "purple haze" as the holy grail, just because of the hype it's been given in music in the past(there's the hendrix debate..I do believe that it was acid...then there's the rappers, who automatically thought of it as weed and rap about it although they've never smoked it). It's not black and white. Of course there's a 100% haze that's purple..it's GOING to happen...but - as with most strains - you'll be better off with the green variety for quality.
