Purecrop 1

[grod31]

Purecrop 1:Insecticide, Fungicide, Biostimulant, Surfactant.
I bought this stuff solely to use as a preventative and for the " bio stimulative " effects. I was reading to use it as a root drench and i'm thinking about all my bennies.

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PureCrop1 works against mold and mildew (or all my mycorrhizae?) by membrane disruption. Thousands of micelle tear out a piece of the cell wall and cause the cells to leak out, effectively sterilizing the spore. The micelle also leaves a thin physical barrier that blocks the anchor site where mold and mildew would attach, preventing it from growing for up to ten days.

 

[Creeperpark]

You must live in a wet environment to have to spray stuff on your plants?. To me, it's a big ripoff and way overpriced and is only basically Soybean oil and Corn oil. I mix the same oils for dormant oil spray to prevent pests during the Winter on outside plants except I pay less than ($4.00) a gallon. Spending $100 for a gallon of water, soy, and corn oil is outrageous and Ludacris. Soy oil retails at about ($0.87 lb) dry and Corn oil is generally less expensive than most other types of vegetable oils. PureCrop 1 is selling a one-gallon container of Soycorn oil at a 1000% profit margin and telling everyone it has magic powers. I'm not falling for that CRAP! Sorry, its just dormant spray anyone can make their selves.! !

 

[HempKat]

A good rule of thumb is to always take what the manufacturer says about their products with a grain of salt, they are highly incentivized to make it seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now that's not to say all manufacturers and all the info they provide about their products should be ignored. Some do tend to be more honest then others. That being said the manufacturers info should in my opinion just be a good starting point on if something should be investigated further. If you see something promoted by a manufacturer that sounds like it might be just the thing for you then instead of just trusting them the next step should be to look for unbiased opinions from people with real world experience using the product especially those using it in the same application as you.

The other thing I would say, is there is a tendency among growers, especially newer ones to want to try to throw every new break thru at this hobby of ours like it's some new cross between magic and science We need to keep in mind Cannabis has been around and doing very well for a long, long time. Maybe even longer then man. Much of what gets promoted as the latest and greatest breakthrough is really just mankind figuring out ways to package and sell strategies that nature has been using for centuries. All the stuff that this product claims to promote and do for plants are all things that the proper application of the right beneficial microbes will already do for the plant without needing any more stimulation then a good healthy environment.

 

[Creeperpark]

PureCrop1's main ingredient is water and only 15% Soycorn oil. Here's some feedback from people that used it. Here are 5 individual reviews.

I have been growing for 32 years , 7 commercially. This is just another farce product making false claims. I sprayed 160 plants in early bloom. It caused massive damage to my plants and cost me thousands of dollars. Good thing I did not spray all of my plants or it would of put me out of business. In veg it caused massive leaf damaged and even killed 80 of my rooted clones. After all of this damage to the plants it did not knock even knock the mites back. Save your money , save your harvest do not use this!!

The biggest waste of money. Not only did it not do anything to help our mite problem, it also increased the mold production in our flowers.

As others have said this is as useful as Soapy water if even that.. As an emulsifier it works great but as for stopping Fungus Gnats or treating/preventing Powdery Mildew forget it. I drenched plants and root system and the gnats were not effected and the Powdery Mildew got worse.

Just another over priced over-hyped "organic OMRI" product to waste money on. Probably costs them 25 cents a gallon to make.

Micellar Technology is nothing new its been a hype train for hand soap, makeup, face-wash and all that for a long time. Its very simple and cheap chemistry if you know anything.

Always read and research when you see works like "amazing results" or Do 4 things with one product! Its just a bunch of bull ____! A F--king $100 a gallon!

 

[grod31]

I totally agree with everything you guys are saying.
Still curious if this stuff kills the beneficial bacteria and fungi

also 15 ml makes a gallon. it's a concentrate.

 

[flylowgethigh]

I started with that purecrop1 stuff, still have most of it, but stopped using it. If I suspect SMs might want to invade, I spray "Green Clean" at night. That stuff doesn't seem to hurt the plants, but maybe it dissolves the tric heads, and that is to cause of my lack of nose problem.

 

[grod31]

Sorry, its just dormant spray anyone can make their selves.! !

so... to get back to topic. does dormant spray harm beneficial bacteria and fungi?
Seems like you all think i'm asking for a review. Thats not what the post is about. If your not familiar with the product you can perhaps relate your experience with similar things such as dormant oil in relationship to the question in topic.
I was just making a quick post before going to sleep last night to see people opinions the matter. I just did a quick google search for anyone in the future who finds this thread.

"When using mycorrhizal fungi inoculants, it is important to consider what effect your fungicide treatments will have. It would make no sense to inoculate with mycorrhizal fungi, only to kill them with fungicide application. The obvious question is, “Can fungicides be applied at all when mycorrhizal fungi inoculants are being used?”

Mycorrhizal fungi can be quite sensitive to some fungicides, but not all. Some fungicides can actually stimulate mycorrhizal fungi, while other fungicides are detrimental. ROOTS has compiled the following lists of fungicides for which published data exists regarding their effect on mycorrhizal fungi. Furthermore, based on field tests, ROOTS has composed some good general rules regarding fungicide use. These rules are presented here:"
"SUMMARY OF FUNGICIDE USE WITH MYCORRHIZAL FUNGI

1. Foliar nonsystemic fungicides typically can be used at any time.
2. Avoid using soil drench fungicides too close to time of inoculation, 2 weeks before inoculation (longer if systemic) and 4 weeks after inoculation."

 

[Lotto]

Grod
Dormant oils or summer oils usually have a vegetable component. I use them late winter thru the summer months on trees and ornamentals. Very safe in all regards for outdoor use. I've seen no adverse effects in soils.

How would these oils work in an inoculated indoor soil? Not something I would do and I'm not familiar with Pure Crop.

Outdoor and indoor soils are entirely different animals.

 

[HempKat]

Well like I tried to hint at, the right application of the right beneficial bacteria does all the things this product claims to do so it seems pointless to add beneficial microbes and then add stuff to try to supercharge them. I've never used these kinds of products and never felt the need. In an indoor environment proper control of temp, humidity and air exchange will do far more for controlling pests and molds then most if not all additives.

 

[Creeperpark]

Well like I tried to hint at, the right application of the right beneficial bacteria does all the things this product claims to do so it seems pointless to add beneficial microbes and then add stuff to try to supercharge them. I've never used these kinds of products and never felt the need. In an indoor environment proper control of temp, humidity and air exchange will do far more for controlling pests and molds then most if not all additives.

Well said HempKat.

 

[grod31]

The product does not claim to super charge beneficial bacteria."PureCrop1 increases the Brix level (sugar content) of the plant, leading to increased electrical conductivity, allowing the plant to respond more quickly to threats."

sure, molasses does the same thing either way your claiming it says something it doesn't.

I was learned to feed the soil, not the plant. Yall really seem to hate. As you said products like this already exists. You hate all of them?

I got free samples of Purecrop1 at the Cannabis expo NYC javets center. After 4 foliar sprays plants are as happy as could be. That doesn't mean i'm gonna run out and but a quart. Just saying after all your hate I am pleased with my free samples...

 

[flylowgethigh]

I had not heard about that Brix aspect. Sounds interesting. Is the defense more trics?

 

[HempKat]

The product does not claim to super charge beneficial bacteria."PureCrop1 increases the Brix level (sugar content) of the plant, leading to increased electrical conductivity, allowing the plant to respond more quickly to threats."

sure, molasses does the same thing either way your claiming it says something it doesn't.

I was learned to feed the soil, not the plant. Yall really seem to hate. As you said products like this already exists. You hate all of them?

I got free samples of Purecrop1 at the Cannabis expo NYC javets center. After 4 foliar sprays plants are as happy as could be. That doesn't mean i'm gonna run out and but a quart. Just saying after all your hate I am pleased with my free samples...

Okay fair enough, it didn't use the word supercharge, just exchange biostimulative for supercharge it's essentially the same thing.

You seem really defensive whenever someone says something about this product you don't like. Also in your opening post you said, "I bought this stuff solely to use as a preventative and for the " bio stimulative " effects." but now you say you got it as free samples, which is it? You also say after 4 foliar sprays your plants are happy as can be and yet despite your plants being as happy as can be you're not necessarily going to go out and buy some more for future use? I know if my plants were happy as can be because of some sample of something I was given, I'd definitely go buy more.

I also never said I hated it, I've never used it so how could I possibly hate or love something I've never used. What I did say was that I never felt the need to superchar... er I mean biostimulate my soil beyond adding beneficial microbes because doing so in a dialed in grow biostimulates the plant and does everything this product claims on it's own with the exception of increasing the brix level which as you point out can be accomplished just adding molasses. Which is something I do and would say is worth doing, if you can get the right kind of molasses. I also don't recall anyone else saying they hate the product just that it doesn't live up to the hype and that it's over priced, which isn't praise but it's far from hate.

I don't get what your goal is here, you seem to want to have an honest discussion of this product but whenever someone tells you something other then what you want to hear you get defensive. All people are trying to tell you here is you don't need to go out and buy a bunch of expensive products that promise all sorts of benefits that can be achieve with just good grow practices. If that isn't of value to you then go ahead buy all the stuff you can find that promises you amazing results. I don't care, it's not my money, if you feel it's worth it and you like the results go for it. Let me ask you this though how do you know that the reason your plants are the happiest they've ever been is because of this product? Maybe your plants were happy because your growroom was dialed in and you had the right variety of beneficial microbes enhancing your plant's health.

 

[grod31]

Your right I did say I bought. I don't know why. I was given the product. Super charge vs stimulate bothered me because I consider the the myco life to be part of the immune system of a plant. You cannot super charge an immune system no matter how much garlic you eat but it can be stimulated even if not always positive.(Every time it comes into contact with a foreign body)
I have no idea how much the product worked.I only know how my plants look In conjunction with everything else. I have no controls. I was only angerfied because everyone seems to have an opinion but not on the actual question asked. The above posted information from a non biased source makes sense to me but this is what the sales rep said in response to an email sent.

" Thanks to our delicate yet powerful formula, PureCrop1 does not harm Mycorrhizae or beneficial bacteria like B.T. (Bacillus thuringiensis)! You can mix PureCrop1 with B.T. or Mycorrhizae. However, we suggest a rotation of microbial/biopesticides with regular intervals of PureCrop1 applications."

 

[Creeperpark]

Your right I did say I bought. I don't know why. I was given the product. Super charge vs stimulate bothered me because I consider the the myco life to be part of the immune system of a plant. You cannot super charge an immune system no matter how much garlic you eat but it can be stimulated even if not always positive.(Every time it comes into contact with a foreign body)
I have no idea how much the product worked.I only know how my plants look In conjunction with everything else. I have no controls. I was only angerfied because everyone seems to have an opinion but not on the actual question asked. The above posted information from a non biased source makes sense to me but this is what the sales rep said in response to an email sent.

" Thanks to our delicate yet powerful formula, PureCrop1 does not harm Mycorrhizae or beneficial bacteria like B.T. (Bacillus thuringiensis)! You can mix PureCrop1 with B.T. or Mycorrhizae. However, we suggest a rotation of microbial/biopesticides with regular intervals of PureCrop1 applications."

You need to check the reviews on this product before spending over $100. 00 a gallon. The 1star reviews are all over the place with this stuff. The words you use describe this product nicely "delicate yet powerful" which is an oxymoron. I'm not falling for this fools gold. Keep it simple and save your money!

 

[HempKat]

Your right I did say I bought. I don't know why. I was given the product. Super charge vs stimulate bothered me because I consider the the myco life to be part of the immune system of a plant. You cannot super charge an immune system no matter how much garlic you eat but it can be stimulated even if not always positive.(Every time it comes into contact with a foreign body)
I have no idea how much the product worked.I only know how my plants look In conjunction with everything else. I have no controls. I was only angerfied because everyone seems to have an opinion but not on the actual question asked. The above posted information from a non biased source makes sense to me but this is what the sales rep said in response to an email sent.

" Thanks to our delicate yet powerful formula, PureCrop1 does not harm Mycorrhizae or beneficial bacteria like B.T. (Bacillus thuringiensis)! You can mix PureCrop1 with B.T. or Mycorrhizae. However, we suggest a rotation of microbial/biopesticides with regular intervals of PureCrop1 applications."

I don't know how long you've been growing or how long you've been coming around to sites like this. Given your reaction to the replies you've gotten I'm going to guess not too long would be a fair guess. I don't mean that as an insult or dig either. The reason you've gotten a lot of the reactions you've gotten is because those of us with a fair bit more time under are belts in this hobby of ours and coming to these types of sites have seen countless examples of products that make bold claims of miraculous results and of course the product being touted is always way overpriced for what it actually is and what's involved in producing it. These companies usually target those new in the hobby who are wanting amazing results out the gate without taking the time to actually understand what it takes to get amazing results with or without some fantastic new product. Over time one comes to realize you don't need all this extra stuff to get great results and maybe to some extent these products are taking credit for great results the grower would have had anyway without the product.

Now since I have never used this product I can't fairly say it's bad, I would say though that if I say a very high price tag on it that would make me skeptical. What concerned me most about your opening post is that it described the product as having specific qualities for dealing with specific problems but your post gave no indication you were dealing with any of those problem. In fact you said you were using it to prevent those problem from ever happening in the first place (insects, fungus, poor growth response, etc) yet you were also concerned about the possibility of this product having a negative impact on the good things in your grow (beneficial microbes) and you seemed to be wanting to know if anyone experienced problems using it. So I asked myself why is this guy treating problems he doesn't have with something he's not sure won't harm the good stuff in his soil? Proper ventilation, proper temps, proper humidity will solve all those same problems for you without adding anything. So all that leaves for this product is that it's a surfactant and in botany a surfactant is just something that reduces surface tension of other liquids such as pesticides and fungicides so that it sticks to the plant you're treating rather then rolling right off.. But if you're not treating for pests or fungus then you don't need something to make it stick to the plant. Now you say you actually got these as free samples and so fair enough, you got something for free that makes bold claims and you wanted to test it out. That's fine, I get that, but if it were me I would have waited to use it when I actually had a pest or fungus problem (since that seems it's primary benefits) so I could see if it works. Rather then using it when those problems didn't exist and then when those problems never show up saying "Wow this stuff must work great!" It reminds me of a time when I was a young teen and I went on a vacation with my parents in the Caribbean. On the Island we stayed at (St. Croix) there was a souvenir shop that among other things sold this woven wrist band made of thick string that I thought looked cool and so I bought it. As part of the sales pitch the person running the shop said if you wear one of his wristbands while swimming in the ocean you won't get attacked by sharks. I wore that wrist band for a few years and you know what? Every time I swam in the ocean during that time I never once got attacked by sharks, so gee I guess it worked. Then again after I stopped wearing it I still swam in the ocean many times and also never once was attacked by sharks.

All anyone was trying to do with the responses you were given was to steer you away from products that are only too happy to separate a grower just starting out from their hard earned money. The marketplace is loaded with products like that. Some are complete garbage and some work reasonably well when needed. However there are cheaper less flashy products that also work well when needed. Now if you truly believe that this product did you some good without causing harm and therefore you want to keep using it, be my guest but at least do yourself a favor and research things carefully to see if there are other things that might work just as well or sometimes even better that are cheaper.

 

[grod31]

So this does not pertain to the product in the OP but i was doing more reading and found this paper from the university of Tuscia that pertains to "bio stimulants"
​​​​​​Biostimulant Action of Protein Hydrolysates (<--link) i thought it was a good read. Enjoy it, or dont...