Pure Blend Pro/Soil?

[berryhill]

Just purchased these nutes recently, and looking for a general idea as to what ppm levels to use in flower.

Medium is ProMix BX, consisting of peat, sphagum, perlite, vermiculite. All 1000 watt lights, CO2 supplementation.

Strains are all hybrids, Bubba K, O.G. K, Hashplant ect.

Items purchased: Pure Blend Soil/Grow 2 gallons

Pure Blend Soil/Bloom 2 gallons

Pure Blend Cal/Mag 1 Litre

Pure Blend Liquid Karma 1 gallon

Will be useing ANs Big Bud, Overdrive and a few other additives such as, Barricade/Potassium Silicate, Fulvic, Humic, Scorpion Juice ect.

Basicaly looking for starting flowering and peak feed ppms in general with the Pure Blend Bloom as my base nute? Thanks for any advice from those who have experience with Pure Blend.

 

[Pirate138]

im wondering the same...

 

[GP2B]

Had good results with 15ml PBP soil bloom + 5ml cal/mag with widorella during flower but never got dialed in on AK-47. Had probs with Nitrogen and Mag.

Was doing ok with 15ml bloom, 7ml cal/mag, 1/4 tsp/gal epsom salts, and 5ml grow but still had progressive lower leaf yellowing with tip burning. Anything less and they would yellow very quickly.

 

[berryhill]

Had good results with 15ml PBP soil bloom + 5ml cal/mag with widorella during flower but never got dialed in on AK-47. Had probs with Nitrogen and Mag.

Was doing ok with 15ml bloom, 7ml cal/mag, 1/4 tsp/gal epsom salts, and 5ml grow but still had progressive lower leaf yellowing with tip burning. Anything less and they would yellow very quickly.

Thanks GP2B for the info my friend! Have been useing Adavanced Nutrients successfully, however, the Pure Blend Pro/Soil series I just wanted to try for a base flower nute experiment. Always reading the success others have had with Pure Blend, and just wanted to give it an honest try. Thanks for sharing your experience and time bro. Peace

 

[Guest]

Berry,

I too have been using AN successfully. But I use selectively. I also use PBPS as my base for flower. I use PBPS at 1/6 to 1/2 strength along with: AN humic and fulvic at 1/5 (PBP contains humates). Org B, Carboload, Voodoo, Piranha and Tarantula at full strength. I replaced Sensizym with Hyrgo, and Iguana with PBPS. I also use Budswel at 1/4 and Mother Earth Super Tea at full, as well as BioFlores, Bio Boost and Flora Plus at various strengths and points in the cycle. I have not had burn or defiency. Good luck with your fine tuning.

 

[Guest]

I used PBPro for my grow just finishing. My advice is touse it just like the label says. I "underfed" mine early in flower and they never recovered completely. The clue is your big, lower fans yellowing and falling off.

I was used to using ferts at 1/4 and 1/2 what label said. PBPro is meant to be used "full stength". 15ml/gallon is 1 Tbls/gallon. I was using like 5ml/gallon (1 tsp/gallon)

So if I was doing my grow again (Satori and ThaiTanic) I'd use PBPro Grow at 15ml/gallon right on into about week 3-4 of flowering. I'd phase in the PBPro Flower beginning about week 3. Timing is very dependent on strain though and the individual phenotype you have. The point IMO is: do not starve the plants of N early in the stretch when they really need it. And using PBPro series means using it full strength in my experience with it.

As for PPM. I think it is difficult to measure on PBPro. Or it was for me. I just use ml/L or Tbls and tsp/gallon. And I pH mine after mixing.

GL

MT

 

[gratefuldawg]

I know 15ml pureblend pro bloom soil, and 5ml calmag will do you good. You wanta shoot for around 100-100-200-60 N-P-K-Mg ratio. 15ml PB, and 5ml calmag will still be low in the P(phosphorous). Use an additive that will boost the phosphorous. Joeshmoe's one of the best growers here, and he suggested sun leaves indonesian bat guano(high in phosphorous). I did it with pretty good results minus the god Dam! spider mites!

Careful with the calmag too if your not using RO, that shit is potent. I had no cal/mag defieciencies adding 1 tbsp of dolomite lime per gallon of soil. And then maybe every other feeding 5ml of cal/mag per gallon. Strain dependent of course.

Good luck-

 

[Blackvelvet]

16.67 ml pbp bloom soil + 5.8 ml cal mag plus per gallon of water.

Add no additional lime to the promix

Pbp bloom soil has more than enough phosphorus

Adjust ph of your fert water after adding everything to 5.8 to 6

Good luck and have fun

 

[i love herb]

this is good info in here... i also use pbp grow and bloom and just put 5 more plants into flower 8 days ago... still havent gotten these nutes dialed in yet.


anyone else have and good comments to add?


whats is a good plan for starting off/peak bloom feed


i also use AN hydroplex, when is a good time to start using that? and how much pbp b + hdroplex do i use together?

 

[gratefuldawg]

16.67 ml pbp bloom soil + 5.8 ml cal mag plus per gallon of water.

Add no additional lime to the promix

Pbp bloom soil has more than enough phosphorus

Adjust ph of your fert water after adding everything to 5.8 to 6

Good luck and have fun

You sure about that? I could find a thread that says different, but that sounds like work.

 

[berryhill]

You peeps are outstanding, thank you very much for your response!

Have been useing nothing but AN products until this recent trial of PBP. Been operating exclusively off of PPMs in my mix. PBP/Soil shoots the PPMs up significantly along with the Liquid Karma! I just done a peak feed with 690 PPMs of PBP/Soil Bloom with additives of Liquid Karma at 1mL per litre and ANs Big Bud to complete the mix at 1200PPMs @ 6.4 ph. Ofcourse, a few other additives such as ANs Scorpion Juice at full dosage 40mL/4 litres at weeks 2 and 5 only....excellent product BTW!! Builds triches big time, not too mention immune system boost.

My biggest question is, to find out recommended "PPM" levels of the PBP Bloom Soil at peak feed, general guidline ofcourse. Currently running OG Kush, Bubba Kush, Sour D hybrids and Hashplant in ProMix BX with "no" amendments, straight ProMix. Useing R/O water at no PPMs. If I used PBP at 15mL per gallon (4 litres), the ppm's would sky rocket! Is this irrelevant? I will measure the ppm levels at this dosage and share my findings with a Milwaukee SM802 meter .7 conversion. Thanks again for the great feed back peeps, and Peace!

 

[Blackvelvet]

Pure Blend Pro Bloom Soil
1.5-4-5
1.0625 grams/ml
@10ml/Gal
N 42
P 49
K 116
Mg 14
Ca 28


Botanicare Cal Mag Plus
2-0-0
1.0208 grams/ml
@10ml/Gal
N 54
P 0
K 0
Mg 32
Ca 86
Fe 2.7

Two things your aiming for in flower:

1) 100 ppm nitrogen to keep leaves from yellowing but not so much it encourages leafy growth

2) 4 parts potassium to 2 parts calcium to 1 part magnesium (4:2:1)

Using 5.8 ml cal mag plus and 16.67 ml pure blend pro bloom soil per gallon (3.8 liters) just about solves this.

This provides 82 ppm phosphorus (not p2o5) and is more than enough. Actually may be too much because p builds up in the soil mix and can cause things like zinc deficiency. You may benefit by using a 0 p fert instead every fourth fert or so to prevent this p buildup. Potassium nitrate 13-0-44 might be a good choice. 1/2 teaspoon per gallon.

Remember, ppms of the individual elements like 100 ppm nitrogen is totally different than what a ppm meter says.

Adjust fert water ph to 5.8 to 6 after adding everything.

 

[berryhill]

Blackvelvet

Blackvelvet

Thank you Blackvelvet! Never have run my ph that low before man, but I'm open to discovery my friend. Sounds more like hydro ph than ProMix medium.

May I be so bold as to ask the rationale behind a ph of 5.8 to 6.0? Seems that it would create a potential lock out of some nutes, but I don't know personaly. Have always maintained a ph between 6.2 and 6.4, occassionaly 6.5. Perhaps its related to these particular nutes, PBP, and your obvious experience.

Thank you big time for your help and time my friend! Peace to you and yours

 

[Mackawber]

Pure Blend Pro Bloom for soil is good for early to mid flowering phase. I start flowering phase with a heavy dose (1/2 cup per gallon) of Fox Farms Big Bloom. PBP bloom for soil is up next until day 35. From there to day 60 I use Earth Juice Bloom .

 

[HeadyPete]

berryhill if you are open to discovery than you will soon find out that blackvelvet is full of shit and doesn't know the first thing about growing so follow his advice at your own peril.

BV never grew a plant so he has no idea if 5.8 is a good ph to grow at.

Check his gallery and you will find juvenile crap but no gro pix.

Berry you need to listen to your plants and they will tell you what ppm to feed. Every strain and even plants of the same strain are different.

 

[berryhill]

berryhill if you are open to discovery than you will soon find out that blackvelvet is full of shit and doesn't know the first thing about growing so follow his advice at your own peril.

BV never grew a plant so he has no idea if 5.8 is a good ph to grow at.

Check his gallery and you will find juvenile crap but no gro pix.

Berry you need to listen to your plants and they will tell you what ppm to feed. Every strain and even plants of the same strain are different.

Roger that HP, and thank you my friend. Even a simple question seems to elude 99% of the population! LOL Plant language is allways bottom line, no doubt Heady. Never thought it would be such a complicated question as to a "general idea" of peak PPMs in soil with PBP Bloom Soil! I fully realize all the friggin variables Heady, but is it 10,000PPMs or 2000PPMs, give or take a couple 1000? LOL Was merely looking for ("approximations"), not the ultimate numbers! LOL Its a crazy friggin world Heady....hollar. B.H.

 

[Blackvelvet]

May I be so bold as to ask the rationale behind a ph of 5.8 to 6.0?

No problem.

A ph around 6 is low enough to make your micronutrients like boron, iron, etc...stay available. High ph makes 5/6 of the micronutrients unavailable. This lower ph also makes phosphorus more available in a soilless mix.

But this ph range is not really too low to prevent the uptake of calcium, magnesium, and molybdenum. These 3 get more available as the ph rises.

So this ph range is a compromise.

 

[HeadyPete]

If you need help you can pm me, MyNameStitch or 10K, the infirmary mod. There are other knowledgeable peeps here, but Blackvelvet surely isn't one of them. Read some of his past posts and see for yourself. Just left click on his user name and select "Find More Posts by BV" and see how others feel about him.

And btw, the mods are onto you, poser blackvelvet....

just keep giving out the negative rep, bv, keep doing it.......

 

[HeadyPete]

Keep showing the world how mature you are and keep up the neg rep.

Berry already could see for himself that you and your gang of sycophant posers are a joke.

How pathetic must you be to have to make up multiple accounts to defend yourself? I, unlike you, can back up my words and plenty of peeps here can vouch for that. You show your true hand by ignoring the issue and fighting like a 10 year old. A "head" joke? Are you kidding me? Just pathetic.