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Konasidegrower

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Aloha!

Been lurking on here for years and love gleaning so much information from all the experienced growers on here. Now living in Hawaii I have the honor of growing these 100% sativas outdoor in the ground. Currently have Punto Rojo and Panama Haze going and plan to drop more Punto Rojo come next year.

I wanted to reach out and see if folks have recommendations on a good partner to cross the Punto Rojo with. Have been eyeing some Malawi but worry it will dominate the cross. I would like to keep it 100% sativa with a social type high. Sorry for not being too specific, I am new to growing these pure sativas and would love any input. Thank you!

Big Cat
 

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robotwithdreams

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Have you considered kali china, ethiopian, banghi haze x ethiopian, and thai chi?

A quote from Dubi,
“I consider Thai Chi (along with Bangi Haze x Ethiopian) as the best sativa hybrid we have released in the last years (and we have released a few hehehehe). She has everything i'm looking for lately in a perfect sativa: uplifting (but none paranoid or anxious), incredibly well focused, meditative, spiritual .... she brings me and enhances me to the right 'place' i want to be .... her marvelous effect along with her exotic 'thaish' and incensey Kali China's aromas makes you feel like reaching enlightenment in an asian temple.
She is just divine.“

I would do malawi as well, but as you said the crosses will probably be more powerful than u want.
 

Dr.Young

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Man I wish I had the space to do a big selection of punto rojo... I'd say your best bet is to progeny test males onto something pure indica to find a good male. Each year see which male made seeds with high % of good sativa girls (even 10% is a pretty good percent of killer offspring out of a pure wild sativa).... After you have good proven males you can test it on other landrace sativas until you like the smells and effects. Or just keep it pure and keep testing it on different indices to find the best terpene combo for your taste.
I wanna do this with Mangobiche, and Kerala but I still gotta get Punto Rojo... Pretty much top on my list for Nld stuff right now.
Wish you the best of luck mate I'd love to smoke n play around d with the work your doing.
I'll have to look over what I said lol sorry if it makes no sense I rushed this type cause I'm at work lol

Robotwithdreams Thai Chi is something I hope is in stock, and I can afford ASAP.... Strong incense terps in mind, id love to see if its hazier than haze :)
 

Konasidegrower

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Robotwithdreams: love the options you have there, the Ethiopian and cross with Bangi Haze sounds really nice while keeping it 100% sativa. Your Malawi suggestion, do you think crossing with a purple haze x Malawi or Golden Tiger might would lessen the potential dominance the Malawi may have on the cross. Feel like I've seen that as an issue with Malawi. Thanks for your help!

Dr young: Sounds like a good idea for creating a tamer sativa by adding some indica traits to lessen its flower time etc. I would like to essentially create a "haze" for my area over time where it's still pure sativa. It sounds like time and numbers will be key to find something truly special.

I'm at about 500m in elevation at 19 N latitude. Summers are rainy but winters are cool and dry. I ran Old Timer Haze and they all got PM during the rainy summer, guessing it's from the inbred nature of the source as the other plants were unaffected.
 

BenoitV1984

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Did you try using filters at ace website?

Here are all the pure sativa regular strains with social effect.

I would like to keep it 100% sativa with a social type high. Sorry for not being too specific, I am new to growing these pure sativas and would love any input. Thank you!
 

Dr.Young

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You could backcross your favorite girl back to the Punto Rojo father (The most sativa girl). That would give you a touch of vigor, and help you gain a good pile of seed to "restart" with....

Long as you select towards the pure 16-20 week phenos it will basically stay pure. Only when you start to go generation after generation of 10 week picks. Thats when you'll start to lose its purity.

The main thing is just starting with a good batch of seeds, and this is a way to do that with a little control of what you got.. Instead of it being potentially 10 dads, 1 runty mom open pollinated random pile of seeds... You can at least start with a known stud father, and a mother that seems to of prettied things up too... If the Punto Rojo male is dominate, and is a real good genetic piece.. He might just probably have pretty sisters, and make pretty daughters too.

Or you could s1 your favorite girl and try to find a amplified version of her, and also reverse a bunch of male, and see how they smoke.
 

Konasidegrower

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So many options!!! Thanks for the filter on the ACE site, the Mauritius x Ethiopian looks really interesting. After reviewing the post re: it on here, Dubi identified the cross having good mildew and mold resistance which is a big plus in the jungle. Interesting to see how the Punto Rojo horizontal branching meets the octopus arms of the Mauritius haha

Dr Young: That makes sense, a long process but sounds like a good gene pool and known quality plants are critical to begin. I've noticed its hard to get males in the landraces, I've seen them turn male more in pots instead of being the in the ground. Taking clones of the Punto Rojo female I have going now (see's really showing those red markings and loving it) so I hopefully can keep her "alive" until next season to sprinkle some pollen from the next crop. I had some old pollen from a male Punto Rojo that also had some red markings so I sprinkled her with that. Been in the freezer for about a year so not sure if its good.
 

burningfire

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Golden Tiger and Malawi sounds so dominating to me, based on the description they are not in the same ballpark as the punto rojo,

I made a punto rojo cross with my nepalese and it was a little too intense for me, the nepalese had an heavy indica component so it's not the best comparison but it seems like the malawi and golden tiger are intense highs as well..

I've been eyeing the Mexican phenos of Honduras or the Ethiopian for my own cross and I think they could be a nice addition to the punto rojo, I'm at 45N so I don't have your luck.
 

Dr.Young

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Another thing.. Perhaps the purple columbians are more suited for your environment? I believe they are the highlands, and green are lowlands.

Maybe get some Oldtimers and see what phenos work for you. The green, or purple.

Aside from that, I think Honduras, Mangobiche, Kerala are top shelf.... I think Kerala needs little more spotlight than it gets.... Everyone seems to talk about Columbians, and Thai.
 

Konasidegrower

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The Ethiopian (and some of her crosses like the Mauritius) and the Kerala seem like my top two options. Thank you all so much for your thoughts! Any ideas who has a solid Kerala in seed form? I'll keep sharing photos as the Punto Rojo keeps maturing, so grateful I picked these up last year.

Burningfire: so awesome to hear someone else growing this beast. I grew up on the 45 parallel, you are a champ to grow these sativas there!!! Any photos of her ripe or finished buds? Curious to see how she may look when finished. Thanks for your advice on crosses!

Dr Young: I didnt have good luck with oldtimer haze, love the idea of purple columbian though. Also have the panama haze going and it's amazing the difference. Buds clearly forming already, smells is getting stronger meanwhile the punto rojo is like fine, here are some hairs see ya in 3 months lol
 

burningfire

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I wanted to go through the seeds to inject something into my outdoors cross so I didn't take pictures of the shitty indoor buds I got..


The cross didn't quite finish outdoors here but it was potent. and still retained a lot of the punto rojo look.






if you want a kerala, I think the only source is the real seed company. anything else probably has skunk in it
 

dubi

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Welcome Konasidegrower :)

Must be a real pleasure to grow tropical pure sativas in the subtropical climates of Hawaii!

I think you have it on hand now. A cross between a Panama Haze female and Colombian Punto Rojo male sounds like music to my ears and i think it is quite on the spot for what you are looking for and for what would work well in your climate and outdoors photoperiod.

If you are looking for other combinations, and mold resistance and active social effects are your main goals, then i would also consider the following partners to blend with the Punto Rojo:

Bangi Haze x Ethiopian
Ethiopian
Green Honduras Haze
Haze x Kali China
Honduras
Honduras Breeze
Honduras x Panama
Mauritius x Ethiopian
Oldtimer's Haze and Green Haze
Panama x Tikal
Purple Haze x Malawi
Purple Honduras Haze
Super Malawi Haze
Thai Chi
Zamal Bliss
Tikal
Zamaldelica

Kindly, study in the detail the official strain descriptions on our website, as they will help you a lot to choose the ones which are more suitable for your taste and conditions.

Hope it helps. Aloha :tiphat:

Aloha!

Been lurking on here for years and love gleaning so much information from all the experienced growers on here. Now living in Hawaii I have the honor of growing these 100% sativas outdoor in the ground. Currently have Punto Rojo and Panama Haze going and plan to drop more Punto Rojo come next year.

I wanted to reach out and see if folks have recommendations on a good partner to cross the Punto Rojo with. Have been eyeing some Malawi but worry it will dominate the cross. I would like to keep it 100% sativa with a social type high. Sorry for not being too specific, I am new to growing these pure sativas and would love any input. Thank you!

Big Cat
 

Konasidegrower

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Thanks Dubi! Been reading your posts like a sativa bible for years!!!!

Unfortunately I have two females currently, one Punto Rojo and one Panama Haze. The smells on the PH are amazing, so lemony. I had some pollen from a red PR from last year and dusted both. May not be viable anymore. Had it stored with flour in the freezer.

What about Panama? I dont want to lose the PR specialness but love the ability to double down on red and add a spike of diversity to its genetics. Did you find the PR genetics to be inbred or pretty diverse? I bought the CBG seeds from you guys last year. Tempted to try to keep it pure too, I think I may be coming down with sativa-itis haha. I have a greenhouse of hybrids but when people visit, they are like wow what are those! So tall they are a shade tree when I work in the yard hahahaha
 

dubi

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Hi Konasidegrower,

Glad you are enjoying with the terpenes of your Panama Haze in early flowering.

Panama crossed with Punto Rojo will also produce a great blend without any doubt.
Although the Panama Haze x Punto Rojo will produce an even more tropical hybrid with flowering structures more suitable for your climate. Both ways are worth to explore.
 

Konasidegrower

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Dubi,
Thanks for all your input! That does sound nice, like a "purple/green haze" crossed with the Punto Rojo. Ideally for me a leaner toward the Purple Highland Colombian. Colombian Queen! :)

Curious, how do you know you have a purple male to cross with? Do you grow it out and pollinate the world, or is there a trick to know without having to got until finished?

Wanted to share some updated photos of the Punto Rojo. She is 11 feet tall and getting into early flowering now. Thanks for the recommendation to add nutrients, she has exploded in growth. 3 inches of rain and now two sunny days in a row! Just can't stop sniffing trying to figure it out! Right now its like mango incense, but there is more. Not sure of the phenotype, she has a lot of red stems and striping in the branches. The tips of some hairs are red but I am not getting pink pistils or a red point at the base of the pistil (i think thats where its supposed to be). Saw somewhere on here, there are 3 main phenotypes.

Her growth is amazing, up in the "canopy" I feel like I'm in the rainforest. There are trees growing up from each branch, I've never seen such growth. The last photo was taken on the ladder up in the top branches like 6-7 feet off the ground haha

I've taken clones to preserve her cause I only have four more seeds and this is the first female I've had. Growing her in the ground has made a world of difference. The volcanic soil here is rich in organic matter too from the forest. Feel blessed to grow these sativas that were saved from extinction. Wonder if anyone has made a list of extinct, endangered, and threatened cannabis landraces. It would be interesting to see it in one place, like how they list other plants and animals to protect. Anyway, hope you all are having a blessed day!

Big Cat
 

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herbgreen

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Punta Rosa by Cannabiogen is panama x punto rojo

That probably would make a great mix with OTH

Also at one point there was a tropical purple panama very limited run

maybe dubi can find a way bring that one back ??
 

OldCoolSativa

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I've given some thought to this. I'm crossing various lines of punto rojo (CBG, TLT, trying to find some of BSC's) as well as looking for interesting crosses to make. For a pure sativa cross Kerala is one that comes to mind, as well as a Thai cultivar such as Lemon Thai, Mango Thai or maybe Chocolate Thai (although I suspect that one has some indica genes). I'm using punto rojo to liven up some haze hybrids...Nl5Hz, The Doors and an extraordinary 18-week Angel's Breathe F2 I found.
 

Konasidegrower

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Those all sounds like amazing crosses, the mango thai and kerala sound especially nice! Pardon my ignorance, what is BSC's? Excited to see your grow, I have the CBG version. Have four more seeds, will re up if they become available soon I think to keep the pheno hunt rolling :) Happy Growing and thanks for sharing your Punto Rojo project!
 
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