PseudoGrafting.....the art of.....multimom

[Budley Doright]

I didnt know what to call this thread but I did an experiment you may be interested in.....

If you want to play too....the clip I used is very cheap... 10 for $2.50 free shipping...

http://www.highmowingseeds.com/black-plant-clips.html

I came to the conclusion that perhaps there was a different way to create a single plant from multiple strains....thru grafting....

My experiment was limited..... 2 strains.... one plant..... I intend to do some more.....

Here is what I did.... I started at the CUTTING stage so its not exactly your typical like youve seen before type graft.....

In my cloner..... the cloner thread is in my sig.....

I first simply took two clones and rooted them so the bottom of the stems were touching.....then allowed the roots to comingle.....

it worked fine.....

I might call that a pseudo graft and would be a really quick way to produce something which LOOKS like a single plant.....

So using an APPROACH GRAFT CLIPS above I did an approach graft on two clones......just about an inch above the end of the stem.....

One thing I did differently than most who do the approach graft...I buried the clip in the red cup transplant.....

A week later..... I removed the clip and looked at the graft area.... It looks perfect..... lots of callusing which indicates the two cuts have joined into a single plant.... its beyond my expectation as far as....its easy to do..... I expect it will also have a high level of success.....

What I dont know.... is how many different strains can be added beyond two......

I welcome the help.....I think this method can be helpful in plant count states.....

The main difference here....is that the graft in below the soil level.....

I will add a picture in a bit......

 

[Budley Doright]

The approach graft took in inch long divot.... then the two wounded stems were aligned and clipped together....
I left a little space for the clone to root just below the matching divots......

I used a 5 oz cup to graft and clone this with vermiculite.....it was then planted into promix and further rooted.....

The thing looks totally legit to me......

Im anxious to see what it does in a couple more weeks.....

Additonal experiments are anticipated....

If you look closely you can see the white callus tissue joining the two cuts together....

 

[Caddypercent]

Could be badass for growers with plant limits!

 

[DunHav`nFun]

That`s some awesome shit right there BDR....and yeah....I`d liketa see how many viable rooted cuts could be bound together and become as you say a "multimom" .....

The way it looks in your pic , one would think that as many labeled different cuts as could be rooted in 1 hole in any type medium would callous over and bind to each other beneath the surface while becoming essentially 1 plant ......

Can you imagine 8-10 strains branching off 1 lower mainstem ?....Once fully rooted put in a good size smartpot full of coco or organic medium , or in any container with any medium for that matter , throw a scrog screen over it to separate each strain......?...

Bam....Multimom with 8-10 strains and 1 rootmass......btw....where I live there ARE no plant counts , but a judge might not give me life without parole for 1 plant instead of 10.....anyways....as I said....

This is awesome shit and if able to be done is a major breakthrough for plant count growers to be able to up their numbers without LEO fuckin with em....

Thanks for this BDR , and let`s get this ball rollin and see how many strains we can graft together for MONSTER multimoms...

Could we grow and harvest a 10 strain "multiplant" ?.....Enquiring heads wanna know.........

Peace....DHF.........

 

[Budley Doright]

Good to hear from you fred.....you have restored my faith in growers...

I have to admid I was somewhat mystified by the response to this technique.... muted...

It is in fact spelled callus tissue.....

There is no excuse for not working this idea..... the clips I ordered were only 2.50...and no shipping.. 10 clips....

I had recently read a thread on cannabis grafting..... and didnt like the methods discussed....

I have grafted quite a few fruit trees using a few methods..... 200 maybe.....

But those techniques generally fail on cannabis...... the reason imo..... those grafting methods were for plants that were in a dormant or semi dormant state..... this was really fing easy...

The approach graft is used on live plants.... while this attempt isnt typical use of this graft it should be looked at too....

Eventually this graft would be buried several inches under the medium.....I cant envision anyone questioning this plant.....

It should be relatively simple to graft together multiple groups once they were rooted.....

and then even use the approach graft above the medium as is generally done.....

I was actually shocked how well these two had callused themselves together..... in such a short time.....
I can only estimate because I was just fing around.... about a week after the 2 cuts had rooted....

not my first venture into the land of fing around.....

Im not temping fate yet....but I do eventually plan to pull these 2 cuts apart to see how sturdy the connection is.....

 

[growingcrazy]

Great timing on this BDR! Good to see the pictures to see what this technique looks like. With our plant count here in MI it would be nice to have a mom with a few strains on one stalk.

I am curious to see how well these homogenize over time. Tagging Along.

 

[Budley Doright]

Great timing on this BDR! Good to see the pictures to see what this technique looks like. With our plant count here in MI it would be nice to have a mom with a few strains on one stalk.

I am curious to see how well these homogenize over time. Tagging Along.

Another michigan caregiver....

Here is how I would conduct a more useful experiment.....

I would do a few clones using 2 strains.....When they have rooted

and I could remove the original clips..... I would then do the approach graft cuts to ....two of the pairs....giving you 4 strains....in one container......

I would be really careful to make sure the plants stay similar sized with pruning.... I have looked more at this is a mom thing..... rather than a flowering rig.....


Here is the interesting thing that I havent said......

The approach graft may enable me to cut one set of roots off the clone.....

The intent of the approach graft is to match the cambium layers....

allowing the plant to sustain itself on one set of roots....


I sort of have a choice....leave these together.... and see how strong the bond is between plants......

or sever the roots on one to see if it survives....

Either way is ok....

In one case you have 2 plants with an indistinguishable dual root system.....a pseudo graft.....

the other is a bona fide graft.....


Im going to sever one of the root systems and put this plant in a meijer grocery bag for a couple days...... lets see if the graft actually took...... if it doestnt I can get a better look at the callus growth....

 

[Budley Doright]

So part 2 of this little experiment has begun......

I made a horizontal cut thru one stem.... its no longer is connected to its roots.....

I also put the plant in a plastic bag....where it will likely remain for a few days......

I will remove the plastic bag and see if the approach graft actually took......

IMO......this would be cooler if both parts of the plant survives..... but Im ok with the concept of a pseudo graft on two root stocks too....

 

[Mikell]

I was just aboot to say cut the bloody legs off one.

Look forward to seeing the result.

 

[Budley Doright]

I was just aboot to say cut the bloody legs off one.

Look forward to seeing the result.

Listen my brother....... I appreciate the sidelne cheering and all.....

but I would love to hear a couple folks say I got into my piggy bank and spent 2.50 for some grafting clips......

If I were to use this as a flowering plant.....I believe I would want it on one root system....but Im not certain....

 

[Budley Doright]

Im up to my ass in a big experiment involving air layering....Im converting my perpetual from the use of clones to air layers....see my sig..... that project is only 20 days out....

So this would not get my undivided attention for awhile....I was hoping some other folks pick this up a bit..... cheap and good entertainment..... I would love to see your efforts posted here.....

One odd sort of thing I did here with my cuts...... these were taken from a flowering plant at about 2 or 3 weeks..... I wanted to slow the vegging down.....

 

[Budley Doright]

I posted yesterday that I cut one of the stems.....I did this about 12 hours ago....

no wilt....

However after thinking about it..... the cut in the stem was below the medium.....

I thought it was quite possible that part of the plant might be sipping moisture thru the stem....

So this morning I carefully replanted this thing so the cut stem is above the medium....

I also inserted a coin between the cut and the medium....the coin is on the surface of the medium.....

It no longer is bagged..... If it doesnt wilt over the next few hours the approach graft is probably sustaining the new stem.....

However even if the plant doesnt wilt...... for days..... it doesnt count....this stem has to grow.....

Only when it shows growth can you say the graft has taken.....



In a couple hours I plan to put it under my gavita to fully stress test it....with no bag.....

A you can see from the pics I chose a clone that was in flower a couple weeks....my thinking .....I wanted the growth to be minimal while the graft was healing.... Im not sure thats necessary at all....

 

[Sunny FL Indica]

I've also grafted a ton of apple trees (and a few others) in my past when I lived in NY and had a few "rainbow" apple trees with red/yellow/green but they were never huge producers, that being said, I LOVE this idea.

But while you're thinking about it for a mother plant, I'm thinking about the results for MMJ and grafting high CBD root stock with high THC strain (and vice versa) to what we end up with and what we get from the seeds.

While we'll probably pass MMJ in the next election cycle, the law isn't written to expressly authorize us to grow our own - that being said, if i end up with 1 or 2 plants i'm not so sure i'm facing any huge risk in growing my own medicine, so I think some of these grafting options will be in my future.

Thanks !!!!

 

[fungzyme]

Like with other grafts, the vegetative growth determines the chemical makeup of the crop. The cbd/thc makeup won't change by using a different rootstock.

 

[Sunny FL Indica]

Like with other grafts, the vegetative growth determines the chemical makeup of the crop. The cbd/thc makeup won't change by using a different rootstock.

I was under the impression (at least in apples), that in the long run the root-stock eventually "over-powers", for the lack of a better phrase, the graft and the tree eventually refers to the root-stock - wouldn't that be the same here, or did my old man tell me something wrong all those years ago when he first taught me how to graft?

The other question is what will there be any effect on the seeds?

 

[Budley Doright]

WHen you graft on a root stock for apples....you must make sure to remove any growth below the graft that originated from the old root stock....

I dont know any other way the root stock can overpower the graft.....

I assume you mean reverts not refers....

Im not aware of any claims that apples taste different on one root stock compared to another....