Prototype model of Grow Op

[kingape]

Hi!

This is the prototype in terms of equipment and major models I wish to implement in my future grow rooms

I am on the lookout for a suitable place and will have to alter the sizing changes accordingly, but till then this is what I have in mind

Goal : Harvest a 64 sq feet area in sealed CO2 Flowering room every month with a yield of 6-8lbs


Rooms :

A) Flower room (2 no's of Size 10x14 each)
- Two 8*4 trays (64 sqfeet) of plants
- Each 16 sqfeet area will be powered by a 650W LED
- AC of 24000 BTU in each room (overkill but reqd)
- One overhead ceiling fan
- 2 Wall fans
- Odour control : Carbon scrubbers
- Inlet through HEPA filters exhausts
- Dehumidifiers (pls suggest)

B) Mother Tents (2no's of 5x5 tents)
- Powered by 480W of LED
- 16 mother plants per tent

C) Cloning Area
- Custom Shelving unit

D) Drying Area
- Custom shelving unit

Method of production :
- Sea of Green with planting density of 4 plants/sq feet in 4 inch square pots
- Substrate will be coco coir
- Will require (64 sqfeet * 4 no's) 256 viable clones from 16 mother plants

Misc points
- Flowering rooms will be insulated by PUF panels and epoxy flooring for the floors with gutters on the side
- Flowering rooms will be hybrid sealed, complete exhaust every 3 hours
- Plants will be watered by PC drippers (2LPH)
- 2 days veg for clones
- CO2 through tanks and solenoid valves
- Entire grow area ops (temps/watering/nutrient mixing/maintaining VPD will be handled by following LEDGardener's project)
- IPM Strategy : Disinfect after every harvest

Nutrient
- Bill Farthing's recommendations


Please let me know what other things should I think about till I finalize the space

 

[exploziv]

Cool man! Let's see what comes out of this!

 

[kingape]

Cool man! Let's see what comes out of this!

Fingers crossed

What do you think of the projected yield?

 

[exploziv]

Well it all depends on who's running the show, how much the actual things that are gonna be needed and done is known or planned for, and what kind of leds and genetics and all that. I would say 2-2.5 gpw should be expected in a good environment and with a good feed and decent modern leds. But given the fact you had to ask that and it's not figured yet into the plan, tells me that maybe there's some chances you won't hit that first run. A newb would certainly hit maybe around 1-1.5 gpw, if all goes well. So you maybe anywhere near those numbers, or inbetween..

 

[HempKat]

These exercises are always kind of fun to run thru trying to imagine the perfect grow setup where everything runs like clockwork and you get precisely what you expect but growing weed in real life isn't like that. I mean you can get close but there are so many potential variables and if even just one of them is off it can alter your numbers some times just a little and sometimes a lot depending on what variable ends up being off. So I would say it's better to not shoot for precision but rather shoot for a target range where the yield you want is the minimum of what your grow should produce. That way you should always get at least what you want and if your lucky you might get more.

Your list seems to cover all the bases nothing immediately popped out as missing so now all you need to do is find the place where you can actually build and run this beast.

 

[kingape]

Well it all depends on who's running the show, how much the actual things that are gonna be needed and done is known or planned for, and what kind of leds and genetics and all that. I would say 2-2.5 gpw should be expected in a good environment and with a good feed and decent modern leds. But given the fact you had to ask that and it's not figured yet into the plan, tells me that maybe there's some chances you won't hit that first run. A newb would certainly hit maybe around 1-1.5 gpw, if all goes well. So you maybe anywhere near those numbers, or inbetween..

LED's I will be going with Spider Farmer 650W, in case that is unavailable, the 730W version.

The yield is assumed on the lower end of 1.5gpw with a learning curve that I hope to master to get 2-2.5gpw.

I have been growing for the past 4-5 years but in tents (multiple 5*5's)...so this is the first one with no tents,

 

[kingape]

These exercises are always kind of fun to run thru trying to imagine the perfect grow setup where everything runs like clockwork and you get precisely what you expect but growing weed in real life isn't like that. I mean you can get close but there are so many potential variables and if even just one of them is off it can alter your numbers some times just a little and sometimes a lot depending on what variable ends up being off. So I would say it's better to not shoot for precision but rather shoot for a target range where the yield you want is the minimum of what your grow should produce. That way you should always get at least what you want and if your lucky you might get more.

Your list seems to cover all the bases nothing immediately popped out as missing so now all you need to do is find the place where you can actually build and run this beast.

Thanks, I have considered a learning curve in adjusting it to as perfect environment as it can be, which is why I have considered 1.5gpw

 

[Lester Beans]

The key will be finding the right clone. If you can fill a 8x4 tray with uniform solid yielding SOG clones in a proper environment, which you outlined, your traget yields seem entirely attainable.

 

[DunHav`nFun]

Welcome KG......As stated above , The right clone rather genetics is the key to a SOG setup but.......The truth of the matter is regardless of the genetics you end up with , the true key to SOG setups are the clone factories that feed the beast......Take it from an old fart that ran 512 plants in 8 flip rooms at 4 different locations for several yrs before retirement , you only reap the yields you want if you`re dead set on mastering your clone setups along with the mother plants you take the cuts from ......

First off ......No 2 cuts root in the same time frame , and when I say that what I`m gettin at is that if you need 128 SAME SIZE fully rooted cuts to fill a 4x8 table @4 cuts per sq ft in 1 single planting , you`ll need at LEAST double the amount you want if not triple so they`ll all grow the same and fill out in the same manner with the light stimulus AND the feed they get to help em be all they can be by end of cycle @ choptime......that said......

Since I see you made reference to runnin perpetual and harveyin X amount every month (or so) strain dependent , I suggest you split the 4 x 8 tables into 4 separate 4 x 4 tables so you won`t have such the burden of comin up with as many fully rooted cuts needed all at once to keep the ball rollin.....and....It`ll help you in the long run splittin up your harveys AND trim sessions to keep you from killin yourself tryin to again.....feed the beast......

My rooms held 64 plants per flip room turnin on and off every 12 hrs and I used to take almost 200 cuts every couple weeks JUST to get the best 64 picks of the litter ready for replanting when I chopped the room and was ready to replant and keep rollin without any down time between runs so I could chop every 35 days since my rotations were based on 70 day cycles with clone only Chem D.......now......On a 4 x 4 table , 64 1/4 oz plantlets by end of cycle will only give you 1 lb per grow area and THAT`S what you shoot for in the beginning to hone your SOG skills and master rootin viable cuts to feed the setups , but.....

With the proper strain / hybrid once dialed , the sky`s the limit for what you can exploit outta your bitches to make em perform and yield accordingly.....and for the record , before LED`s folks rarely EVER reached 1 gpw with HPS lighting due to all the limiting factors , and LED`s rarely yield what all the hypesters say they do UNLESS intermediate grower AND setup experience shines through .......Old rule of thumb was to put 1K hps lights over each 4 x 4 area for optimum yields , and now the LED manufacturers say the 650`s are whatcha need for top returns so .......

Take everything with a grain of salt and do what you can to improve each run and be proud you harvest ANYTHING cuz shit can go wrong at the drop of a hat and you lose everything and haveta start over.......Takes runs under your belt for consistent rotations and consistent yields EVERY cycle .....anyways.....Nuff outta my old ass this day , so......Holler if I can help .....I joined this site the first week it opened in ` 04 and have deleted my account and rejoined tryin to help folks many times , and I don`t post much anymore but I`m around.......Good luck and......

Peace.....DHF............

 

[kingape]

The key will be finding the right clone. If you can fill a 8x4 tray with uniform solid yielding SOG clones in a proper environment, which you outlined, your traget yields seem entirely attainable.

Yes, I agree, SOG suited good reviews are hard to come by because either they are from early 2000's or aren't true SOG.

Though I have found good reviews for BOG Bubblegum and Hashberry from Mandala Seeds.

I am looking for a more gas profile and GG4 seems promising.


Please let me know your recommendations as well

 

[kingape]

Welcome KG......As stated above , The right clone rather genetics is the key to a SOG setup but.......The truth of the matter is regardless of the genetics you end up with , the true key to SOG setups are the clone factories that feed the beast......Take it from an old fart that ran 512 plants in 8 flip rooms at 4 different locations for several yrs before retirement , you only reap the yields you want if you`re dead set on mastering your clone setups along with the mother plants you take the cuts from ......

First off ......No 2 cuts root in the same time frame , and when I say that what I`m gettin at is that if you need 128 SAME SIZE fully rooted cuts to fill a 4x8 table @4 cuts per sq ft in 1 single planting , you`ll need at LEAST double the amount you want if not triple so they`ll all grow the same and fill out in the same manner with the light stimulus AND the feed they get to help em be all they can be by end of cycle @ choptime......that said......

Since I see you made reference to runnin perpetual and harveyin X amount every month (or so) strain dependent , I suggest you split the 4 x 8 tables into 4 separate 4 x 4 tables so you won`t have such the burden of comin up with as many fully rooted cuts needed all at once to keep the ball rollin.....and....It`ll help you in the long run splittin up your harveys AND trim sessions to keep you from killin yourself tryin to again.....feed the beast......

My rooms held 64 plants per flip room turnin on and off every 12 hrs and I used to take almost 200 cuts every couple weeks JUST to get the best 64 picks of the litter ready for replanting when I chopped the room and was ready to replant and keep rollin without any down time between runs so I could chop every 35 days since my rotations were based on 70 day cycles with clone only Chem D.......now......On a 4 x 4 table , 64 1/4 oz plantlets by end of cycle will only give you 1 lb per grow area and THAT`S what you shoot for in the beginning to hone your SOG skills and master rootin viable cuts to feed the setups , but.....

With the proper strain / hybrid once dialed , the sky`s the limit for what you can exploit outta your bitches to make em perform and yield accordingly.....and for the record , before LED`s folks rarely EVER reached 1 gpw with HPS lighting due to all the limiting factors , and LED`s rarely yield what all the hypesters say they do UNLESS intermediate grower AND setup experience shines through .......Old rule of thumb was to put 1K hps lights over each 4 x 4 area for optimum yields , and now the LED manufacturers say the 650`s are whatcha need for top returns so .......

Take everything with a grain of salt and do what you can to improve each run and be proud you harvest ANYTHING cuz shit can go wrong at the drop of a hat and you lose everything and haveta start over.......Takes runs under your belt for consistent rotations and consistent yields EVERY cycle .....anyways.....Nuff outta my old ass this day , so......Holler if I can help .....I joined this site the first week it opened in ` 04 and have deleted my account and rejoined tryin to help folks many times , and I don`t post much anymore but I`m around.......Good luck and......

Peace.....DHF............

Hi!

Thank you for taking the time to write back!

Its always enriching to build on the experience of those who have done it before.

I agree with you about separation of the grow area to 16 sq feet so it will be more manageable in the beginning.

ChemD is often recommended for the SOG setup and is on my list.

Would you recommend any other strains?

 

[exploziv]

Have you ever used leds before? What was your gpw? What about hps? That should be an easy to translate indication if you are close or not on hitting 1.5 gpw or more with the leds, I think..

 

[kingape]

Have you ever used leds before? What was your gpw? What about hps? That should be an easy to translate indication if you are close or not on hitting 1.5 gpw or more with the leds, I think..

Have used LED's only since the last 3 years.

I have been getting 1gpw easy with LED's

 

[exploziv]

Then maybe set that as your plan.. do everything better and hopefully you will be surprised at the end with the results. Since full spectrum leds, my yelds been constantly over 1.5 gpw. And that was in soil. Now i switched to coco and I hope to be amazed as well at the end.

 

[kingape]

Then maybe set that as your plan.. do everything better and hopefully you will be surprised at the end with the results. Since full spectrum leds, my yelds been constantly over 1.5 gpw. And that was in soil. Now i switched to coco and I hope to be amazed as well at the end.

I am not too concerned about the yields as they will improve once the environmemt is conducive.

I am wondering if on the equipment side do I need to account for anything else?

 

[DunHav`nFun]

I am not too concerned about the yields as they will improve once the environmemt is conducive.

I am wondering if on the equipment side do I need to account for anything else?

For optimal results , the missing key to explosive growth and yield that most growers never concern themselves with is how well you control VPD(vapor pressure deficit) as in keeping relative humidity in the 70 percentile range till complete end of the stretch cycle when full swellage begins , and then the plantlets start drinkin twice if not more than what they`ve been using nutrient wise up until then , and then keeping RH in the 50% and lil lower till harvey will give you the most bang for your buck guaranteed......also......

I used air exchange twice per minute in my rooms with lung rooms where A/C`s were located if needed instead of inside the grow areas to pump in perfect environment and suck out used stale air 24/7.....now......I was lucky enough to live and grow in the hell of the dirty south (some would call it cursed rather since having to grow illegally and risk life imprisonment for cultivation) and that sux hard , but I digress .....My RH stayed/stays in the 70-90 % range 24/7/365 and plants love that shit while exploding with growth and vigor IF you can control and maintain constant airflow around em to make sure no airborn nasties can proliferate in said grow area......also.....

Once you move forward with the new location and set your equipment up , hit us up with any questions needed to help send you in the right direction for success.....Takes a village to do it right the first time and not fuck up , and it`s always best to have more than 1 aspect of how to make sure all ducks fall in a row.....and....Strains ?.....You`ve already mentioned what I`d go with as in GG4 IF you can get the TRUE cut and not a reasonable facsimile thereof .....just because......I never trusted seeds to give me the same exact specimen since there can be 1000`s of different variations and pheno`s to come out of the mix , but that`s just me......and again......

Good luck , take care. and........

Peace......DHF.......

 

[kingape]

For optimal results , the missing key to explosive growth and yield that most growers never concern themselves with is how well you control VPD(vapor pressure deficit) as in keeping relative humidity in the 70 percentile range till complete end of the stretch cycle when full swellage begins , and then the plantlets start drinkin twice if not more than what they`ve been using nutrient wise up until then , and then keeping RH in the 50% and lil lower till harvey will give you the most bang for your buck guaranteed......also......

I used air exchange twice per minute in my rooms with lung rooms where A/C`s were located if needed instead of inside the grow areas to pump in perfect environment and suck out used stale air 24/7.....now......I was lucky enough to live and grow in the hell of the dirty south (some would call it cursed rather since having to grow illegally and risk life imprisonment for cultivation) and that sux hard , but I digress .....My RH stayed/stays in the 70-90 % range 24/7/365 and plants love that shit while exploding with growth and vigor IF you can control and maintain constant airflow around em to make sure no airborn nasties can proliferate in said grow area......also.....

Once you move forward with the new location and set your equipment up , hit us up with any questions needed to help send you in the right direction for success.....Takes a village to do it right the first time and not fuck up , and it`s always best to have more than 1 aspect of how to make sure all ducks fall in a row.....and....Strains ?.....You`ve already mentioned what I`d go with as in GG4 IF you can get the TRUE cut and not a reasonable facsimile thereof .....just because......I never trusted seeds to give me the same exact specimen since there can be 1000`s of different variations and pheno`s to come out of the mix , but that`s just me......and again......

Good luck , take care. and........

Peace......DHF.......

I am going to calibrate the environment up according to the VPD.

Having high humidity gives me jitters because of the mold issues that usually come with it.

I am going to supplement with CO2 going ahead, how would a lung room work with it?.

 

[DunHav`nFun]

I am going to calibrate the environment up according to the VPD.

Having high humidity gives me jitters because of the mold issues that usually come with it.

I am going to supplement with CO2 going ahead, how would a lung room work with it?.

There`s many waysta skin a mule Bro.......Most folks think that sealed rooms with CO2 supplements are the way , the truth , and the light but.......me ?......I learned from a master grower in the UK many many yrs ago that utilizing lung rooms and active intakes and exhaust exchanging room air twice per minute with the inherent CO2 in the air we breathe was MORE than enough to dial shit in and bring explosive and consistent returns run after run , but again.....That`s just me.....I know this.....

Where I lived and grew was in a major metropolitan area with many factories and such , and CO2 levels were in the 750 ppm range , as to where many other places have levels as low as 400-450.....that said......Hydro whore manufacturers have always preached that 1500 are the absolute holy grail ppms for growin dope and I call bullshit purely from my own personal experience of croppin HARD well over 20 yrs indoors , as well as many other old heads no longer on weedsites to testify , but again I digress......IF.....

You think CO2 is right for you , it can still be utilized in a lung room setting where it gets pumped into and sucked out twice per minute , and I guarantee that with ample air exchange there`s no way in HELL any fungus , mold , or powdery mildew can stand a chance of takin hold of your grow area......I had wall fans on all 4 corners of my rooms creating a "vortex" that encircled my plants ON TOP of air exchange twice per minute and never not once was there any issues with 70% humidity even all the way through till end of cycle in ANY of my flip rooms of which there were many over the yrs all at different locations because I never stayed at 1 location longer than a yr for security reasons......anyways......

70% RH is your friend , bet on it and if you use SOG setups , once the plantlets are drinkin and sweatin out water vapor during full swellage till choptime you`ll have elevated RH levels during lights out guaranteed beyond all doubts and THAT`S when airborn nasties form if there`s insufficient airflow AND air exchange in the grow area.....aight.....Nuff preachin outta me today.....It`s beautiful day on the redneck riviera and my old ass is gone fishin.....Holler if I can help Bro....Take care and......

Peace.....DHF.............

 

[kingape]

There`s many waysta skin a mule Bro.......Most folks think that sealed rooms with CO2 supplements are the way , the truth , and the light but.......me ?......I learned from a master grower in the UK many many yrs ago that utilizing lung rooms and active intakes and exhaust exchanging room air twice per minute with the inherent CO2 in the air we breathe was MORE than enough to dial shit in and bring explosive and consistent returns run after run , but again.....That`s just me.....I know this.....

Where I lived and grew was in a major metropolitan area with many factories and such , and CO2 levels were in the 750 ppm range , as to where many other places have levels as low as 400-450.....that said......Hydro whore manufacturers have always preached that 1500 are the absolute holy grail ppms for growin dope and I call bullshit purely from my own personal experience of croppin HARD well over 20 yrs indoors , as well as many other old heads no longer on weedsites to testify , but again I digress......IF.....

You think CO2 is right for you , it can still be utilized in a lung room setting where it gets pumped into and sucked out twice per minute , and I guarantee that with ample air exchange there`s no way in HELL any fungus , mold , or powdery mildew can stand a chance of takin hold of your grow area......I had wall fans on all 4 corners of my rooms creating a "vortex" that encircled my plants ON TOP of air exchange twice per minute and never not once was there any issues with 70% humidity even all the way through till end of cycle in ANY of my flip rooms of which there were many over the yrs all at different locations because I never stayed at 1 location longer than a yr for security reasons......anyways......

70% RH is your friend , bet on it and if you use SOG setups , once the plantlets are drinkin and sweatin out water vapor during full swellage till choptime you`ll have elevated RH levels during lights out guaranteed beyond all doubts and THAT`S when airborn nasties form if there`s insufficient airflow AND air exchange in the grow area.....aight.....Nuff preachin outta me today.....It`s beautiful day on the redneck riviera and my old ass is gone fishin.....Holler if I can help Bro....Take care and......

Peace.....DHF.............

Having multipe wall fans to combat the issues associated with high RH does make sense!


Let me know if you have any further reading material on the lung rooms!

 

[DunHav`nFun]

Hey Bro.......Site`s been down for 3 days .....at least for me it was , and I`ve got no clue bout these new waysby any and all means......I think you sent me a pm , but I`m fairly sure you gotta have 50 posts before that can happen , but......maybe it`s different with this new upgrade......dunno.......now.....Lungrooms ?......

I`m not really sure where to find info on em , maybe the thread "Ventilation 101" but again.....not sure........It`s old head knowledge gained loooooong ago from Heath Robinson .....well as far as my experience goes that`s where it came from , but most all folks have been taught and made to believe there`s only 1 wayta grow dope.....and that`s in a sealed room with CO2 supplements......and yeah.....

If you seal a room there`s ABSOLUTELY no wayta grow dope WITHOUT CO2 cuz plants eat CO2 and shit oxygen , and we eat oxygen and shit CO2 , thus how our existence is allowed on this lil `ol 3rd rock from the sun......but......with a lung room , air exchange twice per minute supplies all the CO2 a pot plant needs to grow and thrive with all other aspects of environment along with optimum watts per sq ft and the proper feed regimen taken care of.....and.....

I`ve got old head friends that run lung rooms AND supplement with CO2 pumped into the grow areas and sucked back out so on and so forth , but for me it`s a waste but some folks swear by their use of the shit so far be it from me to argue with their dialed results......as stated before.....there`s many waysta skin a mule KG.......

Lungrooms haveta be equal to the sq ftg of the grow area so no stale air gets pumped in , and in deep summer because I grew in basement foundation homes was really the only time I utilized A/C to bring ambient temps down.....My rooms were dialed and stayed in the low to mid 80`s 24/7/365 regardless of what most pot snobs will tell you in that anything over low to mid 70`s kills terpenes , smell and taste , but I assure you that all my exhaust/scrubber combos worked overtime coverin up and neutralizin the gas from my clone only Chem D bitches.....anyways.....Holler if I can help.......and btw.....

What happened to the damn smilies.....lol.....where`s my damn Ying/yang symbol......

Take care and.....

Peace.....DHF......