Pride is gone, need help

[ft100]

I have had 5 perfect successful grows and now I am faced with a learning situation. I have moved since being busted and trying to get back on my feet. I m trying to grow Sour Bubble Bx3, Double Strawberry Diesel, Querkle, and Chemdog Bx1.
They are in a mix of Foxfarm Ocean Forest, Light Warrior, and Chunky Perlite.
They are housed in a budbox with a 600 watt hortilux on them about 2 feet away 24 hours a day
Temps stay between 70-78 and relative humidity stays in the 55-65% range.
The only nutes they have ever been give are biobizz root juice, fish mix, and bio heaven
They are about two months old and slowly dying off on me from when they were seedlings.
The plants are a foot or less tall after 2 montsh of veg
I have topped a lot of them hoping to get them healthy and still make them bushes
They are in 1 gallon grow bags right now
They are fed about every 5-7 days
I havent phed my runoff, but i have phed my tap water that I am using and it was in the 6.5 range using test strips. Then I bought a soil ph test kit and the soil ph came in around 6.5 too. I really thought that ph was the problem, but if I am doing these tests right then the ph is fine. After I let the test strip sit for 30 minutes or so it showed a ph of 5-5.5 but I am pretty sure that you read those strips about 15-30 seconds after dipping them in water. I repeated the test and the water comes up 6.5 every time and after it sits for 30 minutes it turns orange or shows a ph of 5-5.5. I tested the soil ph again and still got 6.5. I am pretty sure I did these tests right and they both showed 6.5 as long as you read them right after doing the test and that is when the instructions say to do it.
There is a 440 cfm high out put canfan sucing the budbox grow tent and a good size oscillating fan in there blowing all over 24 hrs-check pics
The soil is not always moist, but it seems on some plants that if I dig down in there it is damp.
After I water or feed they seem happy for about a day or two and then all of a sudden get worse again and die some more
I dont know about hard or soft water, but I am pretty sure one of my tests tested for this and it was fine, tap water that is
I cant find any pests in there
This is all in a basement
I am really let down about this grow so far and just feel helpless. I have to some way save these genetics even if i have to just buy a cloner and take clones and start over. Take a look at my pics and let me know what you think. I need help fast, they are dying slowly and I am losing my genes and money. This is not how this was supposed to go, please help me. One other thing, I have had some of the tops of my soil look like they are growing a white mold or mildew on them, look at the soil pic and tell me what you think. it doesnt happen to all of them, but I have that oscillating fan on all the time. I dont know anymore

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

i almost want to say its tap-water related.... i know fox dosent have enough nitrogen either.. thoes plants could use some nitro...atleast... mag and some calcium too...
you should go buy a good compost tea such as vema-T and some RO and give them a good water.

 

[B.C.]

It does look like the Ph is off?

It does look like the Ph is off?

You need ta check and make -sure- ya don't have soft water. Next, I think you should shake up and smell those nutes, make sure they haven't went bad. How old are they, and have they been kept ina cool place? 80 degrees or less? Also, have you used this combination of nutes before? I know a lot of "fish" and "bio" nutes are made with a low PH jus ta keep em stable. Nothing ta do with PH, but I also noticed yer fan was mounted high and blowing low, this brings more heat to the plants. I think the plants would be happier if it were the other way around, blowing up instead. Assuming yer watering correctly, I think it's a ph problem too. So fer now check for a water softener and check those nutes for a foul smell. I'll be back later, hang in there. BC

 

[Guest]

I noticed you don't say how much you're feeding them. I'm thinking you're overwatering with a weak nute solution.

 

[ethereal]

buy some ph paper or use beets or cabbage or some such technique, i forget the way its done and whats used exactly, but if yer too broke to go to the hydro shop/grow store and get ph tests made for professional growing, a homemade litmus typa test is rolly yer second best bet. better then a fish store ph test like that one, at least if you want to invest in a ph pen, they are a dime a dozen on ebay. going for like 10 bucks for a real decent model that does just ph alone. i highly suggest doin that at some point.

anyways...lets get to the matter at hand--
you have major nutrient uptake issues. adding any more nutes without the roots' ability to use them, is only going to hinder more. what you want to do is get yerself some gasoline. now proceed to splashin it all over the plants affected. strike a match, toss it on the bitches, and run for dear life.

just seein if yer payin attention or not
no seriously, though--
its prolly best to get prepared now for a new round, because theres no telling whether or not thes will make it, or even be worth bringing back to normal, in the time it would take to root new cuts and veg them to the same size, ya know?

now, for the fix..... however, it may be an excercize in futility, and if it were me, and i had the spare flower room, id let em rebound and the minute they show new growth that appears healthy, moved them into a flower area. the switch in photoperiod sometimes shocks them into shape, but mainly just to get what you can from them, while you us ethe space they were occupying in veg to get the new cycle going up to speed.

the fix --
transplant those to some clean soil with hydrated lime premixed in already such as sunshine mix or premier brand promix bx or hp etc. then you will want to add an enzyme product such as hygrozyme, this is a very important step in that its a crucial step you MUST undertake so as to break down the dead root mass. hydrogen peroxide dilution works in a pinch, but please, for the love of mary, ifyou have the funds at all available and these plants are worth saving to you, go ahead and buy the product. canna makes a good one, but i have been using hygrozyme with success.

i also highly highly highly suggest building the microherd of beneficial microorganism to prevent/protect the nasties from taking hold again once in their new substrate (professional mix potting soil, as mentioned above, with a lot of perlite added -- 50% or better for fastest recovery and least chance of relapse -- in oreder to make it (the substrate) uber-fluffy and airy, and fast draining. this way, max oxygen can get to the rootzone and they dry out quick. soil pathogens thrive in a damp soil, rotting the roots creating a situation where the soil simply dont dry out =/ . also, and this is crucial if you want no future problems and overall happy plants here and inthe future, buy a box of foxfarm's Peace of Mind! i recommend the Fruit and Flower Formula, which is low in nitrogen, which is commonly found in most liquid nutes you prolly use anyway, so better to add the N yourself and not have to buy the veg formula Peace of mind, along wit the flower formula, i just use flower formula all the way thru life, adding N in castings, alfalfa, and liquid fertilizers, as to not have excessive amounts that some strains simply do not like/need/respond to as well as others. it also makes things less complicated, and doesnt burn a hole in yer pocket any further (POM dry food boxes are like 10 bucks locally even less online, but still!)

FF POM is amazing stuff. its a dry additive for the soil you will have to till-in just like the perlite and if you add castings, or any other dry ammendment. its rich in micro/macro nutes, minerals, organic matter, *BENEFICIAL MYCOS*, which feed the roots. you feed the soil, the mycos are the workers that feed the roots , as well as many other goodies such as fulvic and humic acids, which feed the mycological "worker bees" (mycorrhizae/"mycos")
now...on the pottin soil....
your promix hp (if you decide to buy hp) doesnt have the same/quality.amt of mycos as POM offers. its simply not enough. ('mycorise' is the one found in HP, and is simply insufficient--you want the good stuff, and ff pom is an EXCELLENT cheap way of addin mycos!)
now, whether root disease happened first or ph/whatever fucked things up down below causing a rootzone to go from healthy (aerobic, thriving with beneficial micro-organisms with plentiful amts of o2 and drying cycles as normal), to 'dead' (anaerobic, where the wet soil simply multiplies the colony of the nasties and they overtake the beneficial organisms causing a virtual cessation of a living root system, unable to uptake water or nutrients.), is irrelevant at this point.

so break/cut away and dispose of (offsite/outiside) any of the ugly brown rotted root material wearin gloves as to not contract the disease to other rootballs that are healthy when bear-handed-ly transplanting, if indeed you have other things to xplant in the same night/day/etc....

now and/or after transplant, which should be done IMMEDIATELY, by the way, do not water-in anything to the soil.
especially if its not fully drying up.
you MUST foliar feed anything theyre asking for (in light dilutions) until they rebound, as this is the only way the plant is able to uptake its essentials with a root system in such bad shape. i'd even give them water feedings thru the leaves. fuck that soil/root system they have now. adding any water is going to add fuel to the fire (no pun intended lol)

once in the new soil, and the plain water + enzyme product feeding(s) (id do this for the better part of the first week/2 feedings... or at least the 1st week or two in the new soil- if you are indeed adding nutes in the soil itself, as i whole heartedly suggested above--the castings and peace of mind etc etc...dry ammendments :smile
you may then feed as normal veg formulation, however, adding supplemental P to the solution is a good idea, for tenacious root growth...make up for the lost ones. dig? yeah. u should.

be weLL hope this helps

 

[CosmicGiggle]

One other thing, I have had some of the tops of my soil look like they are growing a white mold or mildew on them, look at the soil pic and tell me what you think. it doesnt happen to all of them, but I have that oscillating fan on all the time. I dont know anymore.

You may have a problem with soil mealy bugs destroying the roots before they make their way up to the surface.

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

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i see massive salt deposites...
you should go and get 5 or 10 gallons of RO and give each bag a good flush.

give them a strong dose a B vitamins, go get some if u dont have, then a few days give them a good dose of fish or whatever uve got... all with the RO water.

should turn around in a week or so.

id sugest to get the AN organic-b
DH

 

[ft100]

im transplanting, using ro water, b vitamins, foliar feeding with fish mix, hygrozymeing them and earth nectar earth ambrosia ing them, i will make sure they dry out before watering and i will cut off any dead root mass, will take pics thank you all for the help, will keep you updated.

 

[oldtoker]

ive got 1 bag of black gold organics it grew white fuzzy and effected the nutrient uptake and all sorts of shit, id transplant and water heavy and if you do see that white shit get it out of there cant hurt....... its took a while look at this












trust me thats not what my seeds do. man im telling you that white shit im not sure what the hell it is but i think it came from storing the dirt in the rain....(not something i did)

anyway transplant the best ones and hope for the best(better buy new dirt though)

i still recomend black gold organics over anything........

 

[MynameStitch]

Stop using tghe root juice.. the plants are lacking nitrogen and the plants are also overwatered and stretched; this is due to using the hps hps is improper spectrum and can cause slow growth and sickly looking plants when used in vegging.

I would let the plants dry out a bit and start feeding them a balanced nute, fish mix what is in there? Who makes it?

You will need to get some compact fluros or something to use; it's not mandatory; but will speed up recovery and make the plants look much healthier.

 

[moonymonkey]

i seen a new product on shelfs,suppose to work wonders its organic,the ingredients were 98% water,1% acetic acid,1% kelp...a foliar spray...maybe the acetic acid,ha to do with puting the food in certain ph range...an somtimes ph is not a factor,depends on wat ur foilar spraying with=how available are the nutrints,same as soil....an thats just part of it...j----r/

 

[COUNT-DE-MONET]

1. YOU ARE OVERWATERING
2. YOU ARE UNDER-FEEDING OR HAVE SOME SERIOUS NUTE-LOCKOUT.
3. AND FINALLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY NEED TO BE TRANSPLANTED.
I GUARANTEE IT.MAYBE ADD MORE PERLITE FOR AERATION.

P.S. I left the caps on so you would read my post.Transplant A.S.A.P.

 

[ShootinBudz]

Definitely overwatered (drooping leaves and dead spots on leaves) and serious underfeeding, those bitches are starving!

 

[MynameStitch]

1. YOU ARE OVERWATERING
2. YOU ARE UNDER-FEEDING OR HAVE SOME SERIOUS NUTE-LOCKOUT.
3. AND FINALLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY NEED TO BE TRANSPLANTED.
I GUARANTEE IT.MAYBE ADD MORE PERLITE FOR AERATION.

P.S. I left the caps on so you would read my post.Transplant A.S.A.P.

Ft100, how often are you feeding and watering? You forgot to mention that.

Actually when the plants stretch like that to get closer to the light; you can't go by plant height; some are foot or less tall; normally the rule is to go by how big a plant is for the proper size pot; 12 in tall plant to 1 gallon size pot minimum.

1 foot/1 gallon size pot. His plants are not going to have a well established root system; especially when the plants are being overwatered.

Plants that are overwatred many times show nitrogen deficiencies; but most of the time it may not be to a "deficiency", it's due to the overwatering, nitrogen is poorly absorbed when soil stays soggy or wet for too long.

His roots are going to be a little smaller than a normal plant size right now; so a change of a pot is a very bad idea, even more bad idea considering he is overwatering them.


Here is a quote from his first post "The soil is not always moist, but it seems on some plants that if I dig down in there it is damp."

This tells me right here as well if the soil is damp down there; he is either not giving enough time for his plants to take in the water between waterings, his plants root system is not deep yet; which would make the transplant worse or the amount of waterings he is giving them depending on how much he waters and how often.

My bet is by the way the plants are acting is both the amount of water given too close together, which also causes lack of root growth by starving the roots of oxygen.

He feeds them every 5 to 7 days so depending on the amount he is using it could be either way; but when you overwater a plant the condition the plants are in; I bet it's underfed as well.

 

[B.C.]

hmmm...

hmmm...

There are many things that can make plants look like this. I'm thinkin after "5 perfect successfull grows" he would have the watering/feeding thing down tho (?) I have a feelin there's another culprit. After 5 good grows and now the first one at a new place is going bad? gotta wonder about the water. Water from a water softener will do this very thing right before the plant goes into reverse osmosis from the salt build up in the soil. Then there's the nutes. Some bio-nutes have been known to go bad sittin on the store shelf, before ya ever get it home! Keepin bio-nutes in hot conditions or even jus keepin em too long, can cause the condition these pants are in also. It's happened to me several times over the years. Heat is another thing that can make plants look this way. Sometimes it doesn't take long, jus one er two light cycles for the anaerobic critters ta take over and cause root rot, esp if they've been over watered....... So, I dunno, lol I jus thought I'd throw the info out there for those that might read it in the future as well as the OP. Good luck! Take care... BC

 

[ft100]

just to update this thread i wanted to let you guys know that i did transplant and do all the things i said i would do and they still all died. so i ordered some of the sour bubble from the bay to replace my bx3s. i know the ones at the bay arent bx3s but hopefully i can find a nice mom out of those. i will order the double strawberry diesel again from rez as well. the deep purple will have to be ordered somewhere else. and i would like to take this time to publicly apologize for letting rez down. he let me test the chemdawd d bx1s as a beta and i killed them. im am very sorry for this rez and i will buy some from you when they get on the bay again. sorry to let you down. my apologies for not getting back sooner, but it is back to the drawing board. maybe my tents are giving off the harmful gases, maybe my tap water is shit, maybe there is a pest i missed or something. i dont know. sorry again and thanks for the help especially from my old friend from og mynamestitch more money, more beans, no big deal, love and peace to all

 

[Hammerhead]

What kind of tent ?

 

[ft100]

they were 2 budboxes it was the large version that had a heaight of 1.8m, it could have been them, it could have been me, i do not know, there is no blame placed on anything except for me as of now

 

[Weedman Herb]

I would have to question stitches theory on HPS during the growth phase causing sickly looking plants. This is only true when the plant is photographed under the HPS light. Yes ... they will have a slightly elongated structure but I've run Just the HPS for veg and flower on Numerous occasions and the plants didn't suffer or show much of a difference to being vegged under the MH. And vice versa ... What ... Like I'm not going to grow weed just because a light quit on me ... You can use either or for Both cycles and still get great produce IMHO.

 

[Kabong]

looked like overwatering and weak nutes to me, i agree with stitch, even tho its all done and said.. transplant is a bad idea if they have been over watered for too long, roots never really spread and they are small and weak, the soil crumbles. Weed seems to like to get dry, read dry, then have a revitalizing drink. in my experience this is what they really seem to prefer, roots get big and strong lookin for water, completely fill the entire pot and you can basically pull them out of a standard pot with the stem.... i wouldnt recommend it tho.

odds are it was a combination of factors