Preventing Pests Promotes Pristine Plants

[yerboyblue]

I'm just hoping that the reaction I get from azamax/azatrol isn't the same as straight neem. Somehow I'm guessing it's going to be sorta the same... probably not as bad.

The effects of azamax/azatrol, when used during (and even before) flower, whether sprayed or systemic (doesn't matter), is absolutely abhorrent to my system.

It bio-accumulates and causes increasing muscle tension, digestive issues, random nausea and a few other things. I'm positive there are thousands of people out there eating Rx their doctors are giving them for symptoms of this.

Anyone else have that and not have an issue with straight neem?

Stay Safe!

How far into flower do you use it? I definitely see the issue if you use it in veg as well, and the plant doesn't really add a lot of new foliage after the flip, the neem would just be sitting there. I haven't been using straight neem for awhile, it seems to just clump up in water. I use a product called Natural Guard Neem-Py that is like 'clarified neem' or something like that, it dissolves even in cold water. Real simple and only coats the leaves with a thin layer of neem.

 

[cyat]

So simply drench the fuck outta my roots with a nicely mixed neem solution?? definitely trying it this year fuck wasting 10k worth of soil for RA fears

every 3 days sprayed on top of medium with a pump sprayer...have gone up to two weeks after controlled

regular neem not azamax at 4 tsp a gallon

only works for me when emulsified.. not just stirred or shaken

I drizzle slowly while the immersion blender runs... not oily when done this way looks like shampoo

neem is the cheapest and best cure/preventative ..was using a tbl per gal of 1.47% imid and that was a weak bandaid ... tried many chem and natural things and none worked like this...

tried neem before at 1 ounce per gal w/ out emulsifying.. didnt do shit...

 

[ozzieAI]

How far into flower do you use it? I definitely see the issue if you use it in veg as well, and the plant doesn't really add a lot of new foliage after the flip, the neem would just be sitting there. I haven't been using straight neem for awhile, it seems to just clump up in water. I use a product called Natural Guard Neem-Py that is like 'clarified neem' or something like that, it dissolves even in cold water. Real simple and only coats the leaves with a thin layer of neem.

have you tried watering the neem into the roots? i find the systemic properties work much better watering the plants than spraying it on the leaves or top of the soil.

 

[ozzieAI]

every 3 days sprayed on top of medium with a pump sprayer...have gone up to two weeks after controlled

regular neem not azamax at 4 tsp a gallon

only works for me when emulsified.. not just stirred or shaken

I drizzle slowly while the immersion blender runs... not oily when done this way looks like shampoo

neem is the cheapest and best cure/preventative ..was using a tbl per gal of 1.47% imid and that was a weak bandaid ... tried many chem and natural things and none worked like this...

tried neem before at 1 ounce per gal w/ out emulsifying.. didnt do shit...

the neem i get has emulsifier in it so it mixes well with water leaving very little residue floating on top...but yeah neem won't work well without it

 

[Hydro-Soil]

How far into flower do you use it? I definitely see the issue if you use it in veg as well, and the plant doesn't really add a lot of new foliage after the flip, the neem would just be sitting there.

I will only use it on vegging plants I plan on taking clones from. Keeps my vegging mums and stuff nice and clean.

Any plant over a few inches high will not get treated before flower. Basically, if the plant is any decent size when treated then flowered... I won't touch the end product. Too abhorrent to me, very life-disrupting.

Stay Safe!

 

[ozzieAI]

Real simple and only coats the leaves with a thin layer of neem.

i have to clarify that i am NOT spraying neem on the plants i am watering it into the medium and letting the plant draw it up through the roots...there is no neem oil film on the plants. i apply neem at ALL stages of growth especially during late flowering when it is not advisable to sprays.

Any plant over a few inches high will not get treated before flower. Basically, if the plant is any decent size when treated then flowered... I won't touch the end product. Too abhorrent to me, very life-disrupting.

no one that samples my end product can tell that neem has been used systemically, there is no flavour, smell or residue...

 

[ozzieAI]

okay think i have just had my first encounter with root aphids...i had thought i had made my soil mix too hot for my ladies and was seeing what looked like nute burn and lock out issues.

would like to thank yerboyblue for pointing out the root aphid thread which i skimmed over enough to see that my 'nute' issues may in fact be root aphids. upon inspection i see crawlies in the soil something i usually don't have since i regularly dose with neem oil. seeing that my plants were deteriorating very quickly i hit them with a strong neem/imid mix yesterday and already today they seem better.

the neem i was adding at 2-3ml/litre and i will revise this up to a minimum of 5ml/litre as a weekly application rate to maintain a stronger concentration. neem has seen me control most pests successfully but these RA are something else...grasshoppers, caterpillars, mites etc won't go near my plants but these buggers really take the cake.

i will update to log progress of my last soil drench when i repot plants next week into bigger pots...

i think neem could be used to control RA but at a strong application rate than is needed for other pests...we will see...

 

[ozzieAI]

well i haven't repotted yet but the plants are looking so much better today. the browning off of the leaves has completely stopped and there is a heap of new growth appearing. i am happy since the plants were in very bad shape and now look like they will make a decent recovery.

again thanks yerboyblue for pointing me to that root aphids thread, without it i would have lost those plants since i thought it was a nute issue...

 

[noyd666]

i've sprayed rose essential oils on plants with infestations of fungi and insects and it worked a treat..

most plant essential oils have been selected into the plant because they prevent insects and molds, almost all are anti septic, but a great many are also anti bacterial, anti fungal and anti viral,, nature selected for smelly roses and eucalyptus trees that stink but humans just dont get it lol..

i have used eucalyptus oil just dabbed onto hanging strips of towl for years, in clone box, grow room, outside, keeps smell down and pests hate the stuff.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

i have to clarify that i am NOT spraying neem on the plants i am watering it into the medium and letting the plant draw it up through the roots...there is no neem oil film on the plants. i apply neem at ALL stages of growth especially during late flowering when it is not advisable to sprays.

Well, if the end result is anything like what you get with azadactrin products like azamax/azatrol/azasol I wouldn't touch your end product with a 20' pole. No topicals or edibles either. Totally toxic to me. I haven't had the chance to try straight neem yet... but those mentioned definitely are a deal breaker for me.

Using it in the root zone (systemically) is almost as bad as spraying. It takes well over 50 days for it to break down in a plant in an indoor environment. See my previous post where I stated anything over a few inches in size... is too large to be treated as a flowering plant.

no one that samples my end product can tell that neem has been used systemically, there is no flavour, smell or residue...

Then there's a chance that straight neem may be different. I can tell you there's a good chance that I'm more sensitive than any person you've ever had sample your stuff... and possibly ever met in your life. 'Cause I can DEFINITELY tell when the azi products have been used... when nobody else can.

Stay Safe!

 

[ozzieAI]

Well, if the end result is anything like what you get with azadactrin products like azamax/azatrol/azasol I wouldn't touch your end product with a 20' pole. No topicals or edibles either. Totally toxic to me. I haven't had the chance to try straight neem yet... but those mentioned definitely are a deal breaker for me.

Using it in the root zone (systemically) is almost as bad as spraying. It takes well over 50 days for it to break down in a plant in an indoor environment. See my previous post where I stated anything over a few inches in size... is too large to be treated as a flowering plant.



Then there's a chance that straight neem may be different. I can tell you there's a good chance that I'm more sensitive than any person you've ever had sample your stuff... and possibly ever met in your life. 'Cause I can DEFINITELY tell when the azi products have been used... when nobody else can.

Stay Safe!

thanks for the good vibes and hope that straight neem will work for you. i have one friend that is sensitive to various chemicals who has no issues when they try my stash but can't touch hydro or plants grown with salt based nutes. i keep applying neem up until the last 2 weeks when fresh water is all that is given.

 

[Adriank]

met52 and root aphids

met52 and root aphids

You should try Met52 if you are having problems with root aphids. It works best as a preventive. Simply add a few grams with your potting soil/coco and mix well(2-3grams per gal. pot). The product is a live fungus on a grain of rice. Once the fungus is applied it will start to grow and act as a barrier against insects. Once the insects come in contact with the fungus they die off within a few days. Its it non-systemic...your plant will not notice that it has been treated. Met52 is the only natural product on the market that i found effective. Tried neem, and azamax and it had little results against root aphids. I found this guy in the states that ships anyway 214.335.9496. Met is a relatively new product and is very difficult to find.

 

[ozzieAI]

You should try Met52 if you are having problems with root aphids. It works best as a preventive. Simply add a few grams with your potting soil/coco and mix well(2-3grams per gal. pot). The product is a live fungus on a grain of rice. Once the fungus is applied it will start to grow and act as a barrier against insects. Once the insects come in contact with the fungus they die off within a few days. Its it non-systemic...your plant will not notice that it has been treated. Met52 is the only natural product on the market that i found effective. Tried neem, and azamax and it had little results against root aphids. I found this guy in the states that ships anyway 214.335.9496. Met is a relatively new product and is very difficult to find.

thanks for the info
i am confident that neem will keep RA away...i just wasn't using enough to being effective...one strong application with the additional imid worked for me. now use 5ml/litre and actually have started measuring the quantities as i got lazy and was guesstimating...

the neem will also keep many other bugs off your plants....not just soil borne ones...

 

[LEDNewbie]

thanks for the info
i am confident that neem will keep RA away...i just wasn't using enough to being effective...one strong application with the additional imid worked for me. now use 5ml/litre and actually have started measuring the quantities as i got lazy and was guesstimating...

the neem will also keep many other bugs off your plants....not just soil borne ones...

So with this néem solution do you just water it in once a week? And the rest of the week feed nutrients? Just trying to figure out how I could try this out in coco when feeding multiple times in one day?

 

[ozzieAI]

So with this néem solution do you just water it in once a week? And the rest of the week feed nutrients? Just trying to figure out how I could try this out in coco when feeding multiple times in one day?

you could use neem for every watering if you wanted, but if watering once a week make sure you apply enough of the mix so you get a little run off. adding neem to your nutrient mix has the added bonus of helping the plants take up the nutrients.

good luck with your grow

 

[philmcchillum]

Very useful info man and thank you for your help and advice on my thread.
Cheakout Microbial it might be of interest to you, it's a new product from Australia.
Also was wondering if you might know what this is it's another of my root problems https://www.icmag.com/ic/photo_popup.php?e=vB_Editor_001#

 

[castout]

thanks for the information!!!!

 

[zËN-]

Thanks dude, I copy-paste to my personal list of obligatory posts.

Best regards from Spain.

 

[orfeas]

thoroughly read the thread, found it so very informative!
Thanks heaps, OzzieAI !
However, I am wondering as to the use of mixture since my ladies are in the ground, not in pots.
Any suggestions?

 

[Neo 420]

you could use neem for every watering if you wanted, but if watering once a week make sure you apply enough of the mix so you get a little run off. adding neem to your nutrient mix has the added bonus of helping the plants take up the nutrients.

good luck with your grow

OzzieAI

Where did you get this information from? I am very curious on this subject. Is this a practice you do on your plants? Got any pics?