Preserving seeds/strains

[Newbie777]

Hi guys, I am new here and got a question regarding preserving seed stock.

Recently I got some packs of seeds,which I would not only like to grow for flowers , but for making my own seeds.

You know, I live off grid, very far from the next possibility to buy seeds.

So my question is, how you would progress, making own seeds, to preserve all the strains, without loosing vigor…or do I have to cross one day to have a bigger genepool?

Crossing two different strains results in F1, how do you call it When crossing two plants of the same strain, is it already F2?

I hope my questions are not to dumb to get answered…

With best regards,

Have a nice day everyone…

 

[SunnyListon]

You gotta read a little bit more, its all here in the forum.

Yes, it is an F2, if you breed a strain to itself.

If you breed two different seed strains together, its an F1 Hybrid, most of the time, lol


From experience: It will the better, if you breed two very very different strains together. For example a Thai to the PCK from Ace.

From experience: You got to have to find at first two strains, that you BOTH like and that are very different to each other. Didnt knew it in the past and bred my favourite female to everything that I got at hand, even if I did not like it.

These seeds will never be grown. And, most of the time they are not a bit like the female you liked.

And here, as you are at the start now, an kind of old mans regret:

I should have made F2s from every strain I liked. Had so many great ones, that are now gone forever. My advice is: Bred every strain that YOU LIKE to this pure strain, to itself.

MAKE F2s of your favourite.

Thank me in 20 years

 

[kaneboy]

just open pollinate each strain so you get more seeds to play with,go thru them and find which phenos you like then start mixing genetics and have fun,always take clones of plants you like

 

[cbotany]

Its a little intimidating when you're first getting started. When your plants sex out remove the males from the general area and keep them apart till your buds start to fill out. I do it by sight not a time frame because each strain is unique, but there becomes a point where you will have "mini buds" that are basically just white hairs with small calyx's in the center. Bring the males back at that time and pollinate. You can leave the males there for 2-3 days shaking to your hearts desire. Write down the date you pollinated your batch. If you don't you will end up with differing times of seed maturity when you go to harvest. So each seed matures at a different rate as well. Some landraces are mighty quick while others can take 5-6 weeks. You will know when the seeds are done by the brown little guys popping out of the calyx.

If you want to improve vigor, breed with something as far apart from the seed you're using as you can, or breed to a land race/feral plant. I'm no expert but that helps, some lines already have a vast amount of genetic diversity and can be inbred for generations to come and maintain vigor.

Hope this helps!

 

[Newbie777]

You gotta read a little bit more, its all here in the forum.

Yes, it is an F2, if you breed a strain to itself.

If you breed two different seed strains together, its an F1 Hybrid, most of the time, lol


From experience: It will the better, if you breed two very very different strains together. For example a Thai to the PCK from Ace.

From experience: You got to have to find at first two strains, that you BOTH like and that are very different to each other. Didnt knew it in the past and bred my favourite female to everything that I got at hand, even if I did not like it.

These seeds will never be grown. And, most of the time they are not a bit like the female you liked.

And here, as you are at the start now, an kind of old mans regret:

I should have made F2s from every strain I liked. Had so many great ones, that are now gone forever. My advice is: Bred every strain that YOU LIKE to this pure strain, to itself.

MAKE F2s of your favourite.

Thank me in 20 years

Thanks a lot for your kind reply and your advices…

If I got you right, you recommend on one side, breeding F1s by crossing to very different strains, and then also :

taking a female and a male from the same strain and pollinating one female to one male……so I get F2 seeds. And then, crossing the selected offspring again, to get F3 seeds…. How oftentimes I repeat this process, I guess it is called Inbreeding, without negative consequences, loss of vigor etc…?

 

[Newbie777]

just open pollinate each strain so you get more seeds to play with,go thru them and find which phenos you like then start mixing genetics and have fun,always take clones of plants you like

Thanks a lot for your reply…open pollination will lead, in my case, when planting several strains, to mixed offspring….by this, I will lose my pure strains somewhat and get hybrids instead…,first priority now is to preserve already existing strains…but nevertheless , I ask myself, what the advantages of open pollination is….

 

[Newbie777]

Its a little intimidating when you're first getting started. When your plants sex out remove the males from the general area and keep them apart till your buds start to fill out. I do it by sight not a time frame because each strain is unique, but there becomes a point where you will have "mini buds" that are basically just white hairs with small calyx's in the center. Bring the males back at that time and pollinate. You can leave the males there for 2-3 days shaking to your hearts desire. Write down the date you pollinated your batch. If you don't you will end up with differing times of seed maturity when you go to harvest. So each seed matures at a different rate as well. Some landraces are mighty quick while others can take 5-6 weeks. You will know when the seeds are done by the brown little guys popping out of the calyx.

If you want to improve vigor, breed with something as far apart from the seed you're using as you can, or breed to a land race/feral plant. I'm no expert but that helps, some lines already have a vast amount of genetic diversity and can be inbred for generations to come and maintain vigor.

Hope this helps!

thanks a lot for your recommendations, these go in the direction of breeding something new…so crossing two different strains…first priority and question for me is, how to preserve every strains I got, and then perhaps, if time and space permits, breeding something new….

 

[cbotany]

Hey bud, its kinda how you breed anything outdoors, I'm a big believer in preservation but once you start breeding you'll kinda see why so many strains get transformed and bred into something new. If you want to preserve just use the same steps with only one strain, and keep males down wind.

 

[Newbie777]

Hey bud, its kinda how you breed anything outdoors, I'm a big believer in preservation but once you start breeding you'll kinda see why so many strains get transformed and bred into something new. If you want to preserve just use the same steps with only one strain, and keep males down wind.

Thanks again for your advice…