Pre made soil mixes?

[aintgotnojob]

Is there anything out there that I can get just all in 1 bag and not have to worry about 40% this an 18% that. I can do math but I'd rather just get it all in one bag. Also is there any seed that grows like MJ that I can practice with. Something with similar genetics so I wont be super newb come time to get busy.
thanks
jobby

 

[Hammerhead]

Absolutly there are a few.. FoxFarm has a few Ocean Forest or HappyFrog

 

[aintgotnojob]

i was looking at them in the sticky but which is for vegging and flowering?

 

[NSPB]

You still have to amend and feed FoxFarm soils.

You are looking for a simple "just add water" type of solution, correct?

You could simply search ICmag for my individual posts, which pertain heavily to this very topic. The NSPB: FLF discussed in all these posts, however, is not available on a retail scale yet.

With that in mind, I'd like to start point people to a product I haven't tried myself personally, but I think it is very much the same concept and perhaps what you are seeking...and it IS currently available. Perhaps you should give it a try...

http://www.kisorganics.com/products/shop/nutrient-pack




NSPB

 

[Hammerhead]

I dont amend any fox farm soil. It's ready to use right out of the bag for up to a month. I use alot so I get both OF/HF. I dump it into a big tote add some water mix it all up let it sit for a week and use it.... All I do is feed with PBP. My results are outstanding..


You can use Either. They do have a mix called Light Warrior that is for seedlings. get some bag seed to practise with

 

[NSPB]

You still have to amend and feed FoxFarm soils.

Perhaps for the sake of the specific...you have to amend and / OR feed FoxFarm soils...

The fact that you still use an additional food source is not wrong or a problem and I don't think anyone questioned the out come of an end result...I'm sure you get fantastic meds with the Botanicare line of products. I used to use it myself when I first started...

I simply thought the original poster was asking if there was an all in one solution....

If he has to add 5ml of this and 10 ml of that and 1tbsp of the other...is that not the same as having to measure as described in the original post...

If the original poster was simply looking for a base medium, then there are MANY different examples of soils and soilless mixes one can buy that do not require "any additional mixing" ... this could even include Miracle Grow Organic potting soil, if you intend to feed the medium with bottled foods after base fertilization wears out...

Which once again was why I assumed it made more sense that the original poster was seeking an all in one.

Which would be why I recommended a product that would allow a simple approach ... and if you noticed ... it even recommends a simple base medium the fertilizer can be applied to...

0 of 1 liked my last post...

Guess I'll not try to help...



NSPB

 

[Hammerhead]

I understood his post as just the soil being a one stop solution and not having to add all the needed amendments. Feeding the soil is pretty much the norm even with all organics they still use Teas to water with.. I would never recommend a Miracle grow product to anyone. I dont believe this is even close to any quality soil mix. FFOF is a organic soil but will still need to be feed when the organic charge runs out.


When I use it its 10mls per g of PBP.. I add some PK boost but it's not necessary

 

[NSPB]

For the record, I'm not RECOMMENDING miracle grow, but it is merely a statement to say that there are MANY different bagged soil products that are considered "plant and go" and to use a MG products was merely to illustrate how drastic the range is...

FoxFarm is STILL a commercial product and I see no reason to recommend them specifically over the link I posted...both provide a very similar service. FoxFarm you have to mix and feed liquids along the way. The KIS organics, you have to mix a base medium and then dump a bag of dry fertilizers into it....then simply water.

I suggested the KIS Organic not because of any affiliation...IN FACT, their product is in direct competition with mine own. HOWEVER...the goal at hand is to provide folks with a means of producing a higher quality home grown product. I don't care WHAT means they chose to get that way...I CERTAINLY prefer a "just add water" fully amended organic approach...it is simply what works for me. THUS the reason I suggested a product that applies a similar philosophy...

I'm NOT knocking FFOF or their product line...please be clear. If you research my posts you'll quickly see I often recommend a 60g base mix utilized by Phillthy that uses FFOF and Pro-Mix.

I just don't want my post to be construed as irrelevant simply because it is a different approach than many are used to. I normally keep hidden in the Organic Soil sub-forum where such a philosophy is not so uncommon.

I appreciate the open-mindedness and learned long ago constructive conversation leads to useful information!



NSPB

 

[Hammerhead]

maybe I will give it a try and see if there a difference ..The price is 2.5x more expensive not including shipping then 1 bag of FFOF.. I pay 9.50$ for 2cf

 

[NSPB]

Well, that is not entirely accurate. You still have to figure in your cost of nutrients. After the initial purchase, you only have water left to add with the other. So, you have the cost of the FFOF/LW/HF, ++...

Just to keep it in perspective...

I should also say, that even with the KIS Organic or the NSPB: FLF or other just add water mixes (Stoney Girl Gardens ??) you will still have the additional cost of a base medium.

So either you spend $30-40 on a full organic super mix or you spend $15 on a bag of soil. Either way you find yourself spending another $15-20 to make the base medium or purchase the additional liquid fertilizers....

I'm not sure that cost is a relevant factor either...

This is not to be argumentative but rather to once again keep things in balance and state that the concepts that relate to organics, specifically, but even more so to soil in general...are really misconceptions and a lack of a fuller knowledge.

There is just something about fully organic soil I can't get away from...oh yeah...FLAVOR.

(your cost of soil is regionally low. FFOF in general will run $18-25 to most folks in the country. I said $15 to be marginal to pretty much all soil brands in general...)



NSPB

 

[Hammerhead]

Ya I love my PBP. It would not be easy for me to change. I have done 100% Organic soil. I mixed my own when I had a much larger setup in Oregon. Its to much trouble for me now. My results are just as good. I could not tell any diferance in taste/smell/aperance/Potency. So as they say if its not broke dont fix it. I only use FFOF AND HF=19$ for 4CF. I get great deals at my hydro store. If they have broken bags I get them for free. I dont use LW.. My Nutrients are 1 g of PBP bloom thats it. If I broke down that g of PBP it would be very cheap concidering I dont normaly grow more then 6 plants.@1-7-2EC. So it will last me for 6-9 months. I have some other stuff I have had for years like the the PK boosts and other crap I dont use. So my costs very low. Thats good in my book.


The stuff you mentioned is 25$Plus shipping for 2CF? not including the base..Plus the tea's or other Organic water mix one would use..

 

[NSPB]

For a GENERAL perspective, when I mix my own organic soils, the cost is hard to figure at first. When you buy things in 50# quantities and you are actually only using 1/4c per cycle.
For an end user, purchasing certain amendments could last you a long time as well...

I would think if you are feeding with just the base and no extra additives that you could inevitably get "more" out of your plants. (please do not think this is me talking down to you, but truly, it is a scientific fact...this is not to say they would be "better" by your standards)

I know the KIS Organic mix or my own mix are very diversified and provide a VERY broad spectrum of soil benefits...not limited to simply feeding the plant but creating healthy ecosystem for the soil microbes.

I think the BIGGEST difference between my own mix and the KIS mix is they seem to have focused on long-term usability (reuse) of the same medium / soil. Many of the ingredients in it have a very long period of availability. My mix is more designed to be mostly depleted from the medium by the end of a cycle...

There are MANY benefits to reusing a medium...most pertain to the maintenance / populations of the micro herd...



NSPB

 

[JOE CHRONIC]

Is there anything out there that I can get just all in 1 bag and not have to worry about 40% this an 18% that. I can do math but I'd rather just get it all in one bag. Also is there any seed that grows like MJ that I can practice with. Something with similar genetics so I wont be super newb come time to get busy.
thanks
jobby

I use only FFOF and never even fert in veg, just add FFBB and FFTB in flower.
Cheap and great results...

 

[the gnome]

i use FFOF,
for an easy organic ammend with lime, blood-bone-kelp meals
or just add lime and perlite and use it as is and after 3-4wks when the nutes are used up and you see def. start in with other nutes, as hammer said PHP is good.
I used FF fertz but have switched to rez 69 recipe GH micro and bloom.
I tried PHP, and floranova. all worked very well.

but OF is a very good medium to get yourself started with and it gets those roots running fast.
I use perlite for aeration.
from 16oz cups to gallon bags I see roots shooting out the bottom in 3 days average.

 

[supermanlives]

you can add fox farm piece of mind dry ferts. earth juice has dry nutes too

 

[Hammerhead]

If someone wants to buy all the stuff to make there own soil that's fine from what I have seen the results are from the growers knowledge not the medium you choose to use. Anyway to get back to the OP question you can use FFOF all you need is some nutrients to use after 3-4 weeks of veg and PBP would be an excellent choice for that..

 

[yesum]

I use ffof with added perlite and bone and blood meal with some ewc. Lately I have been using Rainbow Flower Mix instead of bone meal for when I up pot for flower. 'blaze one up' and 'verdantgreen' have preamended soil mix recipes listed here.

 

[nukklehead]

Always wondered if the rainbow "dry" mixes could find its place
in a for lack of a better term.... in a K.I.S.S method..grow. there are always preferences for an "all in one solution" as I have heard biotone
is another good one. sounds like we are kind of like in our own boats.
We want to recycle, or use the simplest pre made base, with minimal amounts of " containers".. what I mean like that is there an all in one supplement to give to say FFOF to recycle it or minimal amt of work. etc.
Like above posters.. FFOF just with a little pbp bloom or FFGB FFTB
sounds pretty easy. And seems to give the best results without
going hardcore organic..etc.. AACT/compost etc. Hardcore organic
is prob. the way to go but is sometimes unable to be utilized in certain circumstances... my bong rip will now cease!!

 

[aintgotnojob]

Thanks for all the helpful responses. My question was answered entirely. Sorry to start any controversy.

 

[Hammerhead]

you fine we have discussion like this all the time... This one was a good one nobody got personal about it.. I want to thank everyone for keeping it on topic...