Practical Perspective on "It's all in the Genetics"

[thedudefresco]

Sup dudes.


I have a question and am gonna offer my limited perspective which I would like challenged if you disagree

IME, a mantra i've seen oft-repeated online is that a seed/strain's "genetics" are the most important factor with regards to "potency." (side note-who the hell even knows that objective "potency" is anymore anyways, its not just "to i got high af" anymore)

Is this trope a silly cliche or actually still relevant to most hobby growers?

In other words. Assuming a hobbyist/non-professional/intermediate grower orders seeds online at a bank like seedsman or w/e, and grows relatively well, can it be assumed that the bud could be of average medical quality?

I'm NOT talking cannabis cup winner or anything of that caliber, but isn't it safe to assume most of the seeds available from these online seedbanks can produce what most recreational smokers would consider "fire" weed if done right?

OR is it really really important to select for genetics in this type of case where its for personal use etc.

 

[Dog Star]

You can give some good grower not such turbo great genetics and he will made art
from this buds... and you have opposite specter where you have shitty grower
that even with best seeds cant achive nothing...

genetics is important.. but also how you dealed your grow space,then your personal
skills on growing,then trying to put everything in balance and keep plants in
optimal health,then whats your grow technique and how good you are,etc...
lot of things to interconect to have great buds in the end...


But yes... genetics is big factor in these game.. tough not everybody knows to made
ideal..

 

[thedudefresco]

You can give some good grower not such turbo great genetics and he will made art
from this buds... and you have opposite specter where you have shitty grower
that even with best seeds cant achive nothing...

genetics is important.. but also how you dealed your grow space,then your personal
skills on growing,then trying to put everything in balance and keep plants in
optimal health,then whats your grow technique and how good you are,etc...
lot of things to interconect to have great buds in the end...


But yes... genetics is big factor in these game.. tough not everybody knows to made
ideal..

I agree with everything you said.

Let's assume tho you order a 7 dollar seed from a bank at random and give it to a really good grower. Odd's are he'd make "art" of those buds that would be top shelf quality 9 times outta 10 right?

Top shelf as in compared to recreational shop weed, not competition caliber.

 

[thedudefresco]

Basically im asking if I, as a beginner/intermediate grower, don't get a crop that is comprable to some top shelf 60 dollar eighth rip off but dank weed, is that because of genetics or my skill?

Probably would by my skill right.?

 

[Mr. J]

Basically im asking if I, as a beginner/intermediate grower, don't get a crop that is comprable to some top shelf 60 dollar eighth rip off but dank weed, is that because of genetics or my skill?

Probably would by my skill right.?

Basically yes. Get a cut of known quality and grow it out to be sure.

 

[Weird]

They are the most important factor in some ways. For example you can't get 20% thc from a plant with only 10% genetic potential.

However plant expression is so relevant to the environment most people swear by the genes that work best by them as if the genes alone do the trick.

When one knows the profound influence of environment on plant expression some of the perceived value of genetics changes some aspects become more or less important.

 

[Dog Star]

If you are newbie then logic tells you will have problems with growing good bud
for some time.. but that is also relative as you have fast learners...

 

[thedudefresco]

Basically yes. Get a cut of known quality and grow it out to be sure.

Yeah man I need to find a good source for a cutting i can grow outdoors. Most I find are under 24/7 light so its more complicated for me to try and keep them from insta flowering outside.

Any suggestions on a particular brand/strain of seed that can be counted on to produce high-grade outdoor bud?

 

[thedudefresco]

If you are newbie then logic tells you will have problems with growing good bud
for some time.. but that is also relative as you have fast learners...

Yup. I have grown veggies for ages and this is my 4th grow. Definitely a less forgiving plant compared to tomatoes.

First year built soil months in advance but problems came up and wasn't able to plant seeds until July LOL - harvest = meh

Second year: Grew pre-roll caliber weed that was "meh" in every regard

Third year: Rabbits ate all but 1 plant but I got half lb from that one plant and id say middies range.

What I've learned so far is that the general care of the plant outdoors is similar to tomatoes, but that timing is much more important w/bud.

If I grow a tomato you'd say it tastes way better than store brand, but looks uglier LOL.

With weed, still looks a bit fluffy and isn't as potent as i'd like.

 

[Gauss]

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[CowboyTed]

Yup. I have grown veggies for ages and this is my 4th grow. Definitely a less forgiving plant compared to tomatoes.

First year built soil months in advance but problems came up and wasn't able to plant seeds until July LOL - harvest = meh

Second year: Grew pre-roll caliber weed that was "meh" in every regard

Third year: Rabbits ate all but 1 plant but I got half lb from that one plant and id say middies range.

What I've learned so far is that the general care of the plant outdoors is similar to tomatoes, but that timing is much more important w/bud.

If I grow a tomato you'd say it tastes way better than store brand, but looks uglier LOL.

With weed, still looks a bit fluffy and isn't as potent as i'd like.

Sure enough, your experience sounds a lot like mine. I had different problems affecting my crop, but the basic takeaway is the same: it takes time to get accustomed to your grow room/cabinet/garden site and all its variables. It also takes time to get to know a particular strain and what environment it prefers. After you've gained that experience, you can start to produce better quality crops.


I have one outdoor grow and three indoor grows behind me now, and I think I have FINALLY produced some bud to be proud of, but even my best and most recent grow had problems: a hermie in late flowering that threatened to pollinate the entire cabinet full of plants; an infestation of spider mites that is mostly under control, thanks to good genetics and my vigilance, but still has me debating whether to harvest early or risk the infestation growing.



One of the best mechanisms I've found to grow a successful crop is the information available here at ICMag. I'm pleased to be growing a bunch of seeds produced by ACE Seeds, and so I participate in their corner of the forum here. It's endlessly helpful to receive input on my grow techniques from the other users who grow the same strains, and especially helpful to have one of the breeders ( @Dubi ) participating in the discussions, so that we can adjust our grow with advice from someone who not only grows the strain, but takes part in the decisions about improving the breed for each subsequent generation.



It is thanks to Dubi that I'm about to enjoy my first satisfactory crop. His suggestion, based on the strains I'm growing, to reduce the temperatures during late flowering has resulted in a lovely, thick trichome coverage developing in my cabinet as I lead up to harvest. And OH, the smells . . .

 

[Mr. J]

Yeah man I need to find a good source for a cutting i can grow outdoors. Most I find are under 24/7 light so its more complicated for me to try and keep them from insta flowering outside.

Any suggestions on a particular brand/strain of seed that can be counted on to produce high-grade outdoor bud?

I'm not an outdoor kind of guy so I can't help you there but no matter where you source your seeds, indoor or outdoor, you're gonna find some keepers and you're gonna find some that don't make the cut.

Growing good herb is a whole lifestyle. You gotta live with your plants and get to know them if you want to grow dank buds.

Personally, I wouldn't expect top notch buds on the first run from plants that I've never grown before. After at least one test crop I'd be making selections to keep cuts to grow again later.

 

[Dog Star]

Yup. I have grown veggies for ages and this is my 4th grow. Definitely a less forgiving plant compared to tomatoes.

First year built soil months in advance but problems came up and wasn't able to plant seeds until July LOL - harvest = meh

Second year: Grew pre-roll caliber weed that was "meh" in every regard

Third year: Rabbits ate all but 1 plant but I got half lb from that one plant and id say middies range.

What I've learned so far is that the general care of the plant outdoors is similar to tomatoes, but that timing is much more important w/bud.

If I grow a tomato you'd say it tastes way better than store brand, but looks uglier LOL.

With weed, still looks a bit fluffy and isn't as potent as i'd like.

Best weed i smoked was outdoor... but you need to prepare your
holes and put quality soil mix inside,black chernozyom,cow manure,
sheep manure,wormcastings,etc...

and then develop plant but thru ciclus trying to keep plant fights
for water,dont water too much as then roots are shallow..
when you deprive her of water you aloud roots goes deeper
in search for humidity... and when plants grows this way they
will already be more potent than those all time watered plants..

also they will sustain drought and dry times more easy than
those plant that have water in aboundance..

 

[I'mback]

Sure enough, your experience sounds a lot like mine. I had different problems affecting my crop, but the basic takeaway is the same: it takes time to get accustomed to your grow room/cabinet/garden site and all its variables. It also takes time to get to know a particular strain and what environment it prefers. After you've gained that experience, you can start to produce better quality crops.


I have one outdoor grow and three indoor grows behind me now, and I think I have FINALLY produced some bud to be proud of, but even my best and most recent grow had problems: a hermie in late flowering that threatened to pollinate the entire cabinet full of plants; an infestation of spider mites that is mostly under control, thanks to good genetics and my vigilance, but still has me debating whether to harvest early or risk the infestation growing.



One of the best mechanisms I've found to grow a successful crop is the information available here at ICMag. I'm pleased to be growing a bunch of seeds produced by ACE Seeds, and so I participate in their corner of the forum here. It's endlessly helpful to receive input on my grow techniques from the other users who grow the same strains, and especially helpful to have one of the breeders ( @Dubi ) participating in the discussions, so that we can adjust our grow with advice from someone who not only grows the strain, but takes part in the decisions about improving the breed for each subsequent generation.



It is thanks to Dubi that I'm about to enjoy my first satisfactory crop. His suggestion, based on the strains I'm growing, to reduce the temperatures during late flowering has resulted in a lovely, thick trichome coverage developing in my cabinet as I lead up to harvest. And OH, the smells . . .

Mind expanding on that?

 

[Happy Times]

In other words. Assuming a hobbyist/non-professional/intermediate grower orders seeds online at a bank like seedsman or w/e, and grows relatively well, can it be assumed that the bud could be of average medical quality?

I’d say yes to the above

 

[thedudefresco]

I’d say yes to the above

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