Possibly rootbound? Small growth? Day 23 flower. 2 gallon Smart pots. Canna CoCo.

[rosinhood666]

Hey dudes. So I've made it to day 23 flower (23 days from flip) and I think I might be rootbound. Plants are about 4ft tall. I topped late so when I topped them i took about a foot off each one. So technically they'd be about 5ft tall. I'm in canna coco, 2 gallon smart pots not filled to the brim, they have just over an Inch left up top where I could add more coco if needed. My question is does this growth look small for 23 days flower. I'm currently growing a 77 day(11 weeks) flower strain I have grown once before. Am I fucked? Should I transplant to 3 gallon smart pots now? Really put a lot of time and energy into this and want to get the best results. Should I transplant to 3 gals, or add an inch of coco to the top of the pots, or just let it ride. Hopefully I'm not fucked.


Thanks dudes!!!

 

[rosinhood666]

Could this be related to the pot being too small? I noticed the ec is rising 200+ ppm every six hours between feedings, could being potbound cause the ec to rise so fast? The pots feel solid as a brick so they must be filled up pretty good.

 

[Switcher56]

... could very well be. If you are rootbound your nutrient uptake is diminished hence it remains behind, causing your ec to rise.

 

[Creeperpark]

It would help your grow if you added more watts. You can feed a large plant in a small container with daily feeding but only if you have enough wattage. I have grown very large plants in very small containers, as small as 6 to 8 inch containers, using a trellis and a lot of wattage. The best way to tell is by the daily watering schedule. If you can water your plants daily without the plant wilting at the end of the day then you can keep growing in those containers for as long as you want. .

 

[flylowgethigh]

You have the floor space, so why are you NOT using 10 gallon pots?

Roots make fruits. The 3 plants I just took out of the 10 gallon pots after chop were full of roots.

 

[f-e]

What feed is it?
Do you have much P in it?
P can make a plant look younger, but otherwise healthy. It can also create Mg like signs. It promotes Mg use so they follow. It's in quite a number of processes, so while not showing itself, it can give off random looking signs as things just don't move along as they should. Your red petioles are often associated with P and Mg. I don't know the plant, but less P will grow a thinner frame with less lateral branching.

 

[justanotherbozo]

...here is a shot of a couple White Rhinos i grew back in the day and you'll note that they were potted up into cut down 2 liter Coke bottles that were made into hempy buckets, straight coco with just Maxibloom from rooted clone through harvey.

...i grew them in a cab i converted under a 400CMH and together they weighed in at just under 4 zipz btw.

peace, bozo

...so i would agree you can grow some awesome plants in small containers plus, repotting at this stage won't help you, it would probably hurt you.

...so if you think being rootbound is your problem, heed the lesson and use 10 gallon pots for your next grow.

 

[f-e]

I recently had 4.5oz out of a 6" pot. As you are showing us, we can't point the finger at being root bound as the only complaint.

 

[Creeperpark]

Justanotherbozo is showing an excellent example of small container grow! I agree that transplanting at this point will be more harmful than beneficial and even a waste. You need more wattage.

 

[justanotherbozo]

...here is another example, ala DrBudGreenjeans, you don't see the pot so good but it is a 1liter DIY fabric pot.

peace, bozo

...here is a closer look at the pot.

 

[flylowgethigh]

I just pulled a couple AK47, had to do it 2-3 weeks early. In 10 gallon bags I got more larf than those little plants will produce in total. I took apart what was left of the bags / stump yesterday to recycle the soil, and the roots were pretty much packed full. Like I said, if you have the floor space, why not let them have roots? 10 gallons may be small to some, but I only allocate 2' x 2' per plant.

 

[asher1er]

All tho being root bound in coco is possible its much harder in smart pots.. Root bound is not your issue... what wattage are you under and whats your feed look like?
Thats UK Cheese nearing the end of its cycle in a 6x6 square pot with 70/30 canna coco/perlite

 

[rosinhood666]

Thanks for all the replies! I'm currently running a gavita 1650e 646 watts in my 4x4. Heavy 16 feeding at 1.6 ec. Feeding to atleast 25% run off every time I water them. Inoculating flush once a week with what heavy 16 recommended: og biowar with heavy 16 prime fire and finish. I'm running 4 plants : csi humboldt chem d x chem 91.

 

[rosinhood666]

I agree about not being root bound. I guess my problem is having let them get so big, the ec rises at least .4 to .6 ec (sometimes more) between every watering which I'm guessing could be causing the damage? I just can't keep up with the hand watering, only have time for twice a day when lights are on. I kinda screwed myself by vegging so long, had my ac go out which delayed flipping to flower.

 

[flylowgethigh]

Apologies, I thought it was soil. Didn't RTFT.

 

[TanzanianMagic]

Early flowering is the perfect time to repot. Especially in coco, which has no nutrients in it and therefore can't burn the plant's roots, repotting is safe and easy.

I don't know what strain this is, however if you look up expected height, 1 gallon per foot of expected growth is about right.

Larger pots allow for larger roots, which also means that you'll have fewer nutrient deficiencies.

 

[rosinhood666]

Hey guys so just an update. I ended up transplanting to the 3 gallon smart pots 4 days ago. I was very careful removing the plants from the 2 gallons. I cut them off so I wouldn't disturb anything. The pictures I posted on my original post are from day 23. Here is day 28. Do my buds look small for a 77 day flowering strain?

 

[touringfunkband]

I've been running Canna coco in Smart pots with a 600w Ushio HPS for over ten years. To me, they look like they are doing alright. I never flush till the plants are near harvest and I water by hand with zero run off daily. I used solo cups to start and then transfer to 3-gallon smart pots to veg out and then all through flowering. When I water, my plants get about six cups of nutrients every day in veg and every other day in flowering. But I only water when the weight of the pot tells me so. When I see little oddities marking fan leaves like you pictured, I pull them off and forget about them. Growing this way has shown me that the plant can grow out of certain deficiencies and that the best course of action with minor imperfections is no action at all. Following Canna's feeding chart has never failed me. But like I said, I don't flush and I only water when the weight of the smart pots tell me they need watering.

 

[Switcher56]

I've been running Canna coco in Smart pots with a 600w Ushio HPS for over ten years. To me, they look like they are doing alright. I never flush till the plants are near harvest and I water by hand with zero run off daily. I used solo cups to start and then transfer to 3-gallon smart pots to veg out and then all through flowering. When I water, my plants get about six cups of nutrients every day in veg and every other day in flowering. But I only water when the weight of the pot tells me so. When I see little oddities marking fan leaves like you pictured, I pull them off and forget about them. Growing this way has shown me that the plant can grow out of certain deficiencies and that the best course of action with minor imperfections is no action at all. Following Canna's feeding chart has never failed me. But like I said, I don't flush and I only water when the weight of the smart pots tell me they need watering.

That there... I never grew in coco nor do I have the inclination to do so, but that water to 10% run off (all the time) is simply bullocks that has been propagated for years!

 

[rosinhood666]

Shit just realized I've been running my temps to cold. Averaging 74 degrees in flower with lights on. I've just been reading that optimal temp for led's is around 85 degrees. Hopefully since I just started week 5 they will start packing on weight since I just adjusted temps to be warmer.