Possibly increase yearly yield.

[smurfin'herb]

Ok i was doing some thinking, and i came up with a regimen to increase your yearly yield by about 10-12%. So if you grow 10lbs a year, you end up getting an extra lb. every year. Heres how it works...

You make your veg room half the wattage and size of your flower room.

Put rooted cuts in veg room for a 2 week veg, and at the same time take twice the amount of cuttings that u just transplanted, and toss em in the same room as your vegging plants.

Two weeks later, you will transplant your veg crop into the flower room, and on the same day, take the cuttings that you took, and plant them in the same room that you just vegged in. Keep in mind that if you keep moms in the same room u veg, then you will have to put them somewhere else.

Flip both rooms on flower, harvest, then repeat..

Using this method with a 60 day strain, u lose 1.5 harvests per year, which is about 25%, BUT, your increasing the size of each harvest by 50% by using the veg room to flower in. So for all the people who are a lil slow heres an ex:....

Say you have a 4x4 veg, and a 4x8 for flower. Your doing a 60 day strain. You usually get 2lbs out of your 4x8, so that would mean u can get 1lb from a 4x4, which convieniently happens to be the size of your veg area. So u decide to apply the regimen i stated above. Now, heres the math on this scenario..

Before system was applied, you were getting
2lbs/harvest@6 harvests/yr=12lbs/year

Now applying the system, you are getting
3lbs/[email protected] harvests/yr= 13.5lbs/year!!!!!!!

Or, you could just start flowering from clone with NO VEG, and turn your "used to be" veg room, into a permanent, annex flower room.

I need some help with this tho. My math may be wrong on this, cuz im stumped on this one thing.... If you increase your "per crop" harvests by 50%, and decrease your harvests per year by 25%, that gives you a
50-25= 25% increase in yield overall right?. That would mean that instead of 13.5, you would get 15lbs. But for some reason i keep getting 13.5. please let me know what im not seeing here... heres some random math i did to help. based on 60 day strain....

losing 2 weeks (for vegging after evry harvest), every 2 months for a year, u harvest 4.5 times. So ur losing 1.5 harvests/year (while gaining more weight per harvest of course)

2lbs every 2 months for a year is 12lbs

3lbs every 2 months for 9 months (12 months-25% due to 2 week loss every 2 months) is 13.5lbs

I would really like some feedback on this. Im kind of iffy about the math, but if its wrong, i know someone will most def. point it out!! thx

 

[Haps]

Sorry I ain't doing the math for ya cause I'm stoned, hehe. What you are proposing can work, but it is more work than the math shows you. You want a 10% increase? Use a new bulb every fucking grow, we all know there is a drop off after the first 90 days.

I do four crops a year in the big rig, and three in my six pack, total yield is about the number you are starting with. That is less than 75 plants per year, and a very easy work schedule for an old fart, but I have work to do every day, and more weed than I can burn in a year. I could get an extra crop in on each system, but I would have to work harder, and it would not be as much fun.

I designed my initial soil grow, to move one crop out into the dark, and one crop in, moving a ton of dirt every twelve hours. I only tell you that so you can see my point that some things that work on paper are not so cool when you do the work. And I better get back to work.
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[ScrubNinja]

Its late here and I'm 99% sure I've just misunderstood something. I had to map this out on paper and I don't think it's gonna work. See the paragraph above "Flip both rooms on flower, harvest, then repeat.."?

You refer to some cuttings that were taken 2 weeks ago (I would label that as a rooted cutting) and then you mention putting both rooms on 12/12 so the cuttings are getting no veg time compared to 2 weeks veg time originally.

Does that make sense? :/

 

[smurfin'herb]

scrub, by flipping both rooms, i meant like turning them both to 12/12. Then you wait 60 days or whatever until harvest, then when its that time, you chop those suckers, then start the new batch of cuts that was taken 2wks prior to harvest (now already rooted) and you veg them for two weeks, on this same day, take another batch of twice as many cuts as before (not rooted), and by the time the main batch is done vegging (2 weeks), your clones will have roots and will be flowered straight from clone in the veg room.

Oh and HAPS, thx for the tip bout the extra 10% with the new bulbs every run. How bout i just stack that increase on top of the other 10%, and now i have a 20% gain in yield! But not really, i only would have gained 10% more light, which doesnt neccessarily mean i gain 10% in yeild because of that.

 

[smurfin'herb]

I really cant believe this thread died. This is some good stuff, but i just get a feeling thats its too complicated for some ppl. Well ive been doin it for a while now and it works!!!! I wish i knew how to make diagrams, that would sure help. Maybe someone with those skills could do one up.. just so long as they understand the concept fully.

 

[retard2]

or just skip the veg state entirely and just do 12/12 in both rooms all the time. As soon as your cuttings are rooted - flower 'em.
All you need is more cuttings...

 

[Che]

Perpetual Harvest: Get a harvest every 2 weeks

 

[divenosa]

or just skip the veg state entirely and just do 12/12 in both rooms all the time. As soon as your cuttings are rooted - flower 'em.
All you need is more cuttings...

R2 has a good suggestion as there will be superior light penetration and less veg time. It requires more cuttings though and this could be an issue for some.

 

[messn'n'gommin']

Smurfin'herb, please forgive my ignorance, but it would help me to understand a bit better if you included numbers of plants for the 4x4 veg and 4x8 flower rooms. lol...I can't seem to picture in my tiny little head what you mean by veging x-number of plants for two weeks, relocating those to the flower room, and then putting twice that number of plants in the veg room and flowering both rooms at once. Thanks!

Namaste, mess

 

[BeeBee]

Here's another wrinkle--one that is proven to work, and about as efficient as possible.
Use two rooms, and a fast-finishing indica or indica-dominant hybrid, like Purple Erkle or Northern Lights. A fast flowering variety that needs no more than 7 weeks of flowering.
Have the grow room 1/2 the size of the flower room. Use 600 watt hps lighting in both, about 7.5 square feet per light. Here's an example using six lights, that harvests 60 plants every four weeks:
Grow room, 36" by 60", 60 one-gallon pots. Plant rooted clones and initiate HID veg cycle. After 9 days, prune the lower branches (use the pieces for cuttings; remove all the lower branches, leaving only one or two and the apical meristem).
It is essential that the lights be easy to raise and lower in this room; start them about 30 inches away from the plants and lower them daily, so that by the 9th day they are about 13 inches away. Have the room very warm by the third day, to get the plants growing in high gear, and keep it warm.
After pruning and making clones, initiate the flower cycle IN THE SAME SPACE by changing the light timer to 12/12. Maintain the plants in this room for 19 more days. During this time the plants will stretch to as much as 4 times their height the day you pruned. You may have to remove some leaves and rearrange the plants after a couple of weeks to maintain an even canopy as the plants become more and more crowded.
After a total of twenty-eight days, transfer all the plants to the finishing room (72" by 60"), where they will have twice the space. When transferring, remove more leaves, add support (stake) where necessary, and remove excess lower branches, if there are any. Maintain the plants in the finishing room for 28 more days, then harvest. The finishing room should be cooler than the grow room, with a high level of air circulation.
Note: the day you move the plants, you can clean and re-plant the grow room. The clones will be 19 days old from cutting; if you have good cloning skills, and an easy to clone variety, your plants will be ready. The second harvest follows the first, 28 days later. The system is self-perpetuating, and can yield about .8 oz per plant with a good production variety. I've averaged .71 oz per plant for 6 years in a 90 plant (9 light) installation--that's 4 pounds every 28 days, 13 times a year. In a 120 plant, 13 light installation (4 grow, 9 finish), I've averaged 6 pounds every 28 days for 2 years-that's .8 oz per plant.
The main reason this system is very efficient is that its design takes full advantage of the light. By having the small plants as close together as the 6" containers allow, very little light is wasted on the floor. By the 11th day, sometimes sooner, the canopy has filled in, and no light is wasted.
The difference between this system and conventional SOG is that the plants are spread out for the last four weeks of flower (the finishing room). Spreading the plants out enables the lower bud-sites to produce fully-ripened, dense, marketable flowers, making for a full 16 inches of bud depth.
When an installation of this type is well-thought out, it can be run with a minimum of labor, so that new plants can easily be planted the same day the ripe ones are harvested. The equipment and space never sit idle, furthering the overall efficiency.
The particular twist on SOG is my own invention. I had helpful input from friends along the way. There may be some others who "discovered" this system independently, since I remember reading about something similar in an Ed Rosenthal book quite a few years ago, after mine was already up and running.

 

[petemoss]

WOW BeeBee, that's a super efficient way to SOG! Using 45 sq feet, you can pull over a lb per week! Now you've got me scheming... Do you have any pics of a finished plant?

 

[BeeBee]

Hi petemoss,
I think you have to add the square footage of the two rooms together to get the correct idea of the efficiency of this system. For the 9 light, 90 plants per room systen, the grow room is 22.5 sq ft, and the finishing room is 45 square feet, with an average yield of 1 lb. per week. The total square footage under HID lighting: 67.5
It should be compared to similar sized systems that use similar amounts of light--so it puts it in too favorable a light to consider it a 45 square foot system.
I'll try to get a picture this weekend of a couple of plants.