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POLICE SURVEILLANCE!

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Your little bag of pot, is about the last thing on the cops mind. Drugs play a very small roll in the daily routine of cops. Just because you always feel guilty in their eyes and cops are such power tripping assholes doesn't mean that's the actual case. Their daily routine primarily consists of responding to domestic situations, assisting in finding missing persons, answering alarm calls, and other calls for service. They go to bars to break up fights, set up permiters when a robbery, burglary, or other violent felonies occur... Their primary concern is removing dangerous morons from the street before they have the chance to reoffend; before they have the chance to rob you, or your grandmother leaving the grocery store. When someone is breaking into your house at 3am, or your buddy is getting his ass kicked by 12 dudes at a club, I bet your not going to be screaming **** THE COPS then.

When it comes to cops my distrust, hate, and overall negative opinion of them doesn’t come from my love for pot. I started smoking pot two years out of high school. I hated cops long before that. Again, my opinions come from real life situations so I’m curious to know what it is you’re even talking about.

The function of the police is to suppress crime. To fully understand police you must understand crime. To understand crime, you must understand law. Crime is parallel to law as crime is committed when the law is broken. Many of those laws are there to protect to status quo and the police enforce that. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want another individual to have that kind of control over my life. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POT FOR ME. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MY PRESUIT TO LIVE FREE AND HAPPY.

"Capital requires protection, as do the institutions through which it operates. As capital expands its operations, the state that is associated with its protection must develop its capacity for autocratic control. Thus, the "Free World" increasingly resembles a dreary string of heartless police states." -- Michael Parenti
 
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What would Michael do with all this purported capital that is responsible for the current police state,give it to the Gov't?Spread it evenly among all citizens?As we disband our system of law and order who's to stop Fred from taking your share?Not that I believe any of that shit for one minute,just a couple among millions of inquiries in my cranial when I hear caca like that.As capital expands it's "operations" Michael,Joe Blow prospers if he has the drive to work and not picket for 6 week vacations and 30 hour work weeks Michael.Is Michael an American?Maybe its not his fault he just doesnt understand prosperity in relation to freedom.Michael whines about the system while me and my friends with intelligence and drive use it to improve our lot in life,Michael...
 
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Well as we slowly disband the system we’d get rid of capital gains so it wouldn’t even be a concern of mine and even if we did distribute the wealth I would want nothing of it. I think your scenario seems a little extreme anyway. I’m not calling for some reformed idea that we can co-exist in a capitalist society without cops. Capitalism needs its enforcers (cops) to thrive.

Of course this isn't something thats going to happen tommorrow or maybe in my life time but it doesn't change my opinions on the overall system and how I think things should be.

Michael whines about the system while me and my friends with intelligence and drive use it to improve our lot in life,Michael...

Oh, go fly a flag or something… While you and your friends use your intelligence Michael went and got him a Phd from Yale University so whatever, I mean thats if you want to keep questioning our intelligence because you disagree with myself and the person I quoted.

And who says we aren’t trying to improve our lots in life? Perhaps Michael Parenti uses his words and literature in install change in people and that’s his way of improving things. After all, if we’re going to change anything we need educated people. I’d also argue you can only improve your life so much under capitalism. Its around us everywhere we go, you can’t get away from it.

Now I feel this is taking away from the overall topic so I am done as far as this debate is concerned. Like I said I have some info I can share once I get some time to dig it up.
 
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MoeBudz^420

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Veteran
Hey, the police just do a job - enforce laws. The problem these days is that most new laws have absolutely nothing to do with real truth or justice... mostly political BS instead. And thus are unjust as hell. edit: this goes for some older laws too, of course... :rasta:

True justice aside, gov'ts these days pass and repeal laws at their whims, just to push/meet their agendas. It will never change, the people are too meek to stand for real truth and justice and/or fight for their freedoms that are disappearing at an alarming rate.

Over-regulation and "Ferengi factor" (rising costs of everything/greed) go hand-in-hand, and is expanding at an exponential rate...And all these newer BS laws just help it along.

To surveil the fuzz, a good police scanner + earbuds goes far. But the ones you need these days (Digital) are not cheap. Worth every penny tho, to know what they're upta...

Edit2: How true about prison being a 'crime school", and not rehabilitating. it's called adaptation to your surroundings. Not to mention that ex-cons have a heckuva time getting jobs. what does that leave to survive on?

Exactly... Crime.

Peace
 
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Yeah you definitely gotta’ go with the digital police scanners these days or else you wont pick shit up. also, if youre gunna have a scanner know the codes. heres a list.

Police Codes:

(2007-arrested)
10-0 Use Caution
10-1 You are being received Poorly
10-2 You are being received Clearly
10-3 Stop Transmitting
10-4 O.K.
10-5 Relay Message
10-6 Busy with Call
10-7 Out of service, (completely)
10-7b Out of service (personal)
10-7c Out of service (court)
10-7od Out of service (off duty)
10-8 In service
10-8ot In service (over time)
10-9 Repeat last message
10-10 Out of service, Radio on
10-11 Give F.C.C. Call Sign/Dispatching too fast
10-12 Visitors or officials present
10-13 Advise weather and road conditions
10-14 Convoy or escort detail
10-15 Prisoner in custody
10-15m Prisoner in custody (mental case)
10-16 Pick up prisoner
10-17 Pick up papers
10-18 Complete present assignment ASAP/Get there ASAP
10-19 Return to office
10-20 Your location
10-21 Call by telephone
10-21A Phone home, my ETA is _____
10-21B Call your home
10-22 Cancel last message/Take no further action
10-23 Stand by until channel clears
10-24 Emergency at station/all units return
10-25 Do you have contact with ___________
10-26 Driver's license check by number or name
10-27 Check for wants or warrants
10-28 Check registration on vehicle
10-29 Check for stolen for
10-29A Check wants, subject (PIN)
10-29R Check wants and record, subject (PIN, CJIC)
10-29C Check complete, subject (NCIC)
10-30 Does not conform to rules or regulations
10-31 Is lie detector available?
10-32 Man with gun.

10-33 Emergency traffic/don't transmit unless necessary
10-33 Alarm (type: Audible, silent)
10-34 Clear for local dispatch or open door
10-35 Confidential information or open window
10-36 Correct time
10-37 Give me name of Operator on duty
10-38 Your destination
10-39 Your message is delivered/Requested unit in route
10-40 Advise if officer _______ available for phone call
10-41 Call the station on alternate frequency
10-42 Officer ..... now at his home
10-43 Have _________ call his/her residence
10-44 Station _________ is calling your residence
10-45 Give name of Officer in Charge or Injured person
10-46 Advise if ________ available at phone
10-47 Officer ______ is available at _________
10-48 Not available for assignment/out for coffee or whatever
10-49 Pick up passenger at ___________
10-50 No traffic for you/resume patrol
10-51 Message for delivery by telephone
10-52 Message for delivery in writing
10-53 Do you have traffic for this station?
10-54 Unit and officer have left the Parish
10-54d Possible dead body
10-55 Unit and officer have returned to Parish
10-55d Send coroner
10-56 Teletype busy
10-57 Teletype broken or Firearms discharged
10-58 Teletype in service
10-59 Tape for repeat message
10-60 What is next for message # _____
10-61 Stand by for teletype message
10-62 Unable to copy radio, use teletype or meet in person
10-63 Net in use, stand by, will advise when clear
10-64 Net clear, go ahead with traffic
10-65 Clear for assignment
10-66 Clear for cancellation
10-67 All stations retransmit following
10-68 Repeat dispatch
10-69 Have you dispatched _______?
10-70 Net message for all stations
10-71 Proceed with traffic
10-72 Stand by for Civil Defense Test
10-73 Stand by for Civil Defense Traffic
10-74 Civil Defense Clear
10-75 Severe weather statement
10-76 Give daily traffic
10-77 Give mileage your unit
10-78 Send ambulance
10-79 Send wrecker
10-80 Tower lights out/Explosion/Lightening
10-80a Assist radio dispatcher
10-81 Officer ______ will be at your station
10-82 Reserve room for officer
10-83 Have _______ call station by phone
10-84 Advise ____ officer will return this date
10-85 Officer _____ on special detail or Meet with agent
10-86 Advise phone number your location
10-87 Give call letters of your station
10-88 Advise phone number of officer
10-89 Request radio servicemen be sent
10-90 Request teletype servicemen
10-91 Prepare for inspection of ______ by ________
10-91B Noisy animal (Barking)
10-91D Dead animal
10-91H Stray Horse
10-92 Your quality is poor
10-93 Your quality is good
10-94 Call station by teletype
10-95 Advise telephone call this station
10-96 Give test count
10-97 Arrived at scene
10-98 Last detail completed
10-99 Unable to receive your message
10-100 Out using restroom
10-102 Cruelty to animals
10-103 Disturbance
10-103f Disturbance by fight
10-103m Disturbance by mental person
10-106 Obscenity
10-107 Suspicious person
10-108 Officer down or Officer needs assistance
10-112 Impersonating an officer
11-6 Illegal discharge of firearms
11-7 Prowler
11-8 Person down
11-10 Take a report
11-12 Dead animal
11-13 Injured animal
11-14 Animal bite
11-15 Ball game in street
11-17 Wires down
11-24 Abandoned Vehicle
11-25 Vehicle - Traffic hazard
11-25X Female motorist need assistance
11-26 Abandoned bicycle
11-27 Subject has felony record, but is not wanted
11-28 Rush vehicle registration information
11-29 Subject has no record
11-30 Incomplete telephone call
11-31 Person calling for help
11-40 Advise station if ambulance is needed
11-41 Request Ambulance
11-42 Ambulance not required
11-43 Doctor required
11-44 Coroner required
11-45 Attempted suicide
11-46 Death report
11-47 Injured Person
11-48 Provide Transportation
11-54 Suspicious vehicle
11-65 Traffic Signal light out
11-66 Traffic Signal Out-of-order
11-70 Fire Alarm
11-71 Fire Report
11-79 Traffic Accident - Ambulance dispatched
11-80 Traffic Accident - Serious Injury
11-81 Traffic Accident - Minor Injury
11-82 Traffic Accident - No Injury
11-83 Traffic Accident - No Details
11-84 Direct Traffic
11-85 Dispatched Tow Truck
11-86 Special Detail
11-87 Assist Other Unit
11-95 Out of vehicle, car stop (location/license)
11-96 Out of vehicle, car stop, send backup(location/license)
11-98 Meet Officer
11-99 Officer needs Help/Emergency

A Adult
A No rain expected
AC Aircraft crash
AC Animal control
ADW Assault with a Deadly Weapon
APB All points bulletin
ASAP As soon as possible
AID Accident Investigation Detail
AV Abandoned vehicle
B Rain Expected
BLK Block
BKG Booking
BO Out of Order
BOL Be On the Lookout
CP Complaining Party
CPD City or County Property Damage
CT Court
DB Dead Body
DMV Department of Motor Vehicles Information requested
E-B Eastbound
ETA Estimated Time of Arrival
EXP Expired
FTA Failure to Appear
GOA Gone on Arrival
GTA Grand Theft Auto
INJ Injury
I/S Intersection
J Juvenile involved
LIC License
LT/T Left turn
M/C Motorcycle
NCIC National Criminal Information Center
NIA Non-Injury Accident
OBS Observed
OD Off Duty
OP LIC Operator's License
OT Over Time
PAB Policy Administration Building
PI Personal Injury
POSS Possession
QT Secrecy required
RES DIST Residential District
ROF Report on File
RP Reporting Party
SPD Speed
UL Unable to Locate
UTL Unable to Locate
VEH Vehicle
VIN Vehicle Identification Number
WIT Witness
X Female involved
45/25 MPH clocked speed in zone

Code 1 Acknowledge this Call
Code 2 Proceed Immediately with lights/without Siren
Code 3 Proceed Immediately with lights and Siren
Code 4 No further assistance required
Code 5 Stakeout - Uniformed Officers stay away
Code 6 Out of Vehicle for Investigation
Code 7 Out of Service to eat
Code 8 Fire Alarm
Code 9 Answering ring-down
Code 10 Bomb Threat
Code 12 Patrol your District and report extent of damage
Code 13 Major Disaster Activation
Code 14 Resume normal Operation
Code 20 Notify News Media to respond
Code 22 Restricted Radio Traffic
Code 30 Officer needs assistance - Emergency
Code 33 Emergency Traffic on Air - All units stand by
Code 43 TAC forces committed
Code 100 In position to intercept Suspect

14 Ambulance in route
15 Citizens holding suspect
17f Fugitive attachment
17m Municipal court attachment
17t Traffic attachment
18 Traffic incident
19 Drunk
20 Auto accident
20a Airplane crash
20f Fatal accident
20i Injury accident
21 Complaint
23 Traffic congestion
24 Medical emergency
25 Call dispatcher
26 Police officer
27 Attempted crime
28 Inciting a felony
29 Death
30 Homicide
30c Homicide by cutting
30s Homicide by shooting
34 Aggravated battery
34c Cutting

34s Shooting
35 Simple battery
37 Aggravated assault
38 Simple assault
39 Negligent injury
42 Aggravated rape
43 Simple rape
44 Aggravated kidnapping
45 Simple kidnapping
51 Aggravated arson
51b Bomb threat
52 Simple arson
52e Explosives
52f Fire
54 Combustible materials
56 Criminal damage
58 Contaminated water
59 Criminal Mischief
60 Aggravated burglary
62 Alarms
62b Simple burglary
62c Auto burglary
62r Residential burglary
62s Safe burglary
63 Criminal Trespass
63s Sit-in
64 Armed robbery
64g Armed robbery/gun
64k Armed robbery/knife
65 Simple robbery
65p Purse snatching
66 Extortion threats
68 Unauthorized use of movable
69 Possession of stolen goods
71 Issuing worthless checks
72 Forgery
80 Carnal knowledge of juvenile
81 Indecent behavior with juvenile
82 Prostitution
84 Pandering
87 Abortion
89 Crime against nature
90 Gambling
90c Gambling by cards
90d Gambling by dice
91 Unlawful sale to minor
93 Cruelty to juvenile
94 Illegal use of weapon
95 Illegal carrying of gun
95k Illegal carrying of knife
98 D.W.I.
99 Reckless operation
100 Hit and run
148 Resisting Arrest
187 Homicide
207 Kidnapping
211 Armed Robbery
240 Assault - Misdemeanor
242 Battery
243 Assault on Police Officer
245 Assault with a Deadly Weapon
261 Rape
273 Assault on Person
288 Lewd Conduct / Felony sex offense
314 Indecent exposure
330 Gambling
311 Loud and Obscene
314 Indecent Exposure
390 Drunk
390c Drunk in Vehicle
390d Drunk Unconscious
404 Riot
407 Unlawful Assembly
415 Disturbing the Peace
415b Investigate the Trouble
415c Disturbance - Children involved
415d Disturbance - Drunk involved
415e Loud Music or Party
415f Disturbance - Family
415g Disturbance - Gang
417 Brandishing / Man with Gun
447 Arson
459 Burglary
459a Burglar Alarm ringing
459s Burglar Alarm - Silent
464 Burglary with Explosives
477a Arson
480 Hit and Run - Felony
481 Hit and Run - Misdemeanor
484 Petty theft
484f Fraudulent use of Credit Card(s)
484ps Purse Snatch
487 Grand theft
487.2 Theft from Person or Purse snatch
488 Petty theft
496 Receiving stolen property
502 Drunk driving - Misdemeanor
503 Auto theft
505 Reckless driving
507 Public Nuisance
537 Defrauding Innkeeper
586 Illegal parking
586e Vehicle blocking Driveway
594 Malicious mischief
602 Trespassing
602.5 Entry without consent
603 Unlawful entry
647 Vagrant
647a Vagrant loitering in Public Place
647b Prostitution
647c Begging
647d Loitering in Restroom
647e Loitering Place to Place
647f Drunk
647ff Drunk – in route to Detox
647g Prowler
647h Illegal Lodging
901 Ambulance Call
901a Ambulance Call - Attempted Suicide
901b Ambulance Call - Drowning
901c Ambulance Call - Cutting
901d Ambulance Call - Drunk
901g Ambulance Call - Gas
901h Ambulance Call - Dead Body
901k Ambulance has been dispatched
901n Ambulance requested
901s Ambulance Call - Shooting
901t Ambulance Call - Traffic Accident
901y Request Ambulance if needed
902 Accident
902h In route to Hospital
902m Medical Aid needed
902t Traffic Accident
903 Aircraft Crash
904 Fire
910 Can handle detail
952 Report on conditions
955 Detail under control
956 Detail incomplete, but available
957 Delayed response of __ minutes
966 DRUG DEAL
1000 Plane crash
3000 Road block
4532 Escape
5150 Mentally disturbed person
10851 Stolen vehicle
10852 Tampering with vehicle
11300 Narcotics
12020 Carrying Concealed Weapon
14601 Driving w/suspended DL
20001 Felony hit and run
20002a Misdemeanor hit and run
22350 Speeding (used to be 505)
22500 Illegal parking/impound
23152 Misdemeanor Drunk driving
23153 Reckless driving (use to be 510)
23109 Speed Contest

Units Adam: Morning shift
Baker: Swing shift
Charlie: Day shift
Officers Adam: Auxiliary
Charlie: Captain
Denver: Detective
David: Detective
Frank: Felony Investigation
Henry: Homicide
John: Juvenile
Lincoln: Lieutenant
Nora: Narcotics
Paul: Patrol
Sam: Sergeant
X-Ray: Burglary
Victor: Vice/Narcotics
King: Helicopter
 
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MoeBudz^420

Active member
Veteran
Yep, hurts at a few hundred bux a pop too. (Lowend)

Most forces use standard digital transmissions, some still use standard analog with voice inversion. (scrambled)

But feds use digital encrypted, which is untouchable, as far as I know - but it's an expensive system to have installed... can't get them... (YET)

The solution to that can't come too soon...

Peace

edit: ten codes are also on Wiki...
 

PoppinFresh

Active member
Dr.Diamonds said:
heres a bit of fuel to the fire. check out the raging cop in this report:
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/19/1961.asp

crazy shit. there's a link to another story wit the same guy. it's great that there's proof of this shit on tape. so many people proclaim the greatness of police, yet very few of those people have such encounters.

sorry (not really) to play the race card but being black in nyc, shit like that happens REGULARLY! for a lot of people, it's not going to happen that often. unfortunately for us, our towers get hit every ****in day (don't excuse the 9-11 pun)!

this shit makes me want to get some cameras and audio recording devices in my vehicle as well. shit i wanna walk with that shit on me and probably start selling shit in the neighborhood to catch these dirty cop bastards in action. anybody know where to get shit like this?

anyway, whas the name of the song playin at around 0:30? i remember that beat from tokyo drift. lol
 
WOW!!! I watched that video, and that is EXACTLY what you should do if you want a cop to completely **** you in the ass! I watched the "correct" way to handle a traffic stop, and I can't even count the things those dumb ****ing kids did wrong. If anyone wants to know how to handle different police encounters, including traffic stops, please feel free to PM me. Don't listen to the bullshit on that video, you will get yourself ****ed, big time!
 

PoppinFresh

Active member
Depths Of OG said:
WOW!!! I watched that video, and that is EXACTLY what you should do if you want a cop to completely **** you in the ass! I watched the "correct" way to handle a traffic stop, and I can't even count the things those dumb ****ing kids did wrong. If anyone wants to know how to handle different police encounters, including traffic stops, please feel free to PM me. Don't listen to the bullshit on that video, you will get yourself ****ed, big time!

i agree totally with that. just look at that link posted by DD4Y with that Brent Darrow (sp?) guy. he tried to assert his rights and the cop went ballistic on him on TWO occasions. like i said, that shit happens on a regular basis! people think that shit is uncommon. i find it funny how some of us really live in two different nations although we can sometimes be only a block apart or the next door down! that's why im really looking into these audio/video devices for my own personal use.

unfortunately, if i get into some shit with a cop, i won't be able to PM you on icmag for advice LOL!
 

HuffAndPuff

Active member
Depths-
Whilst I completely agree with you re: the appropriate way to deal with cops, I disagree with what I find to be inappropriate "threadiquette". (tell me I just made that word up!)

I started this thread so that everybody could contribute their knowledge/experiences of how cops REALLY do their real-world policing, in hopes that we might help keep our fellow members from suffering similar/worse fates.

If you feel that you have some valuable knowledge you could impart upon us, please feel free to do it here. Why bother answering a bunch of individual PMs when you could just do it once?

Plus, there are plenty of people who lurk here, and it might could be useful to one of them. Just because you're not a member, or don't have 50 posts, it doesn't make this information any less valuable, or mean that you aren't our comrades in arms.

Also, let's not forget that some people may be too embarrassed to ask a question, if it is the result of a bonehead move. This is a particularly salient point, because an unfathomable number of crimes go unreported for this very reason. If crimes don't get reported, your beloved police can't do anything to keep us safe.

I am sincere when I say that I would love to hear your experience/advice, I just ask that you keep these things in mind. Have you watched the video the kid made? I, and many others here, have had very similar experiences. If we are, then surely it would indicate that more officers engage in these behaviors than many, yourself included, would like us to believe.

You have heard, or can interpret, why we don't like cops. Why is it that you don't feel this way, or understand why we do? (TOTALLY sincere question, btw) If it is something tangible maybe it will help those of us on the other side of the fence, if only to better understand the cops- which, again, is what this thread is all about.

StaySafe,
HuffAndPuff

ps- Thanks for adding the scanner info, etc. You guys are keeping this train moving, and I appreciate it. K+ to all of you.
 
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Anyone know an ex-cop who wouldn't mind spilling his guts on how police surveillance normally works??
 

PoppinFresh

Active member
heavybongloads said:
Anyone know an ex-cop who wouldn't mind spilling his guts on how police surveillance normally works??

in lieu of a police surveillance expert, i am thinking we ought to do two things. first, we have to keep on top of current technologies. visit those science fiction websites and watch television as well because sci-fi is a good indicator of what the future CAN bring! even take a peek at some conspiracy websites.

the reason for the latter idea is because i remember in '98, when i was coming out of college, one of the muslim dudes (Farrakhan's peoples) were selling that final call news paper they have. i don't know why but i can't seem to be disinterested in these solicitations regardless of how truly disinterested i am (most recently, legal fund and children in poor countries) lol. i hear the person, they get my attention, we lock eyes, and i am officially targeted! LOL. :badday: :pointlaug anyway, i purchased one but mostly because i had nothing to read on the train ride home. this is where i first learned about trials in which dogs were being implanted with tracking devices before they were to be implanted into humans. i couldn't find any info about it online cuz i wanted to confirm it at a different source at least. i dismissed it. crazy conspiracy muslims crosses my mind ya know! then a few years later, or ago, we get reports of the same type of sub dermal devices which can be used in humans and whatnot! point is, you can find information in some unlikely places.

the second thing is to thoroughly analyze what we do as users, growers, and traffickers even. we have to be able to recognize our own lapses in security and do a better job of covering our own asses which i think we all know to do!

then, sort of cross reference what we know regarding existing and potential technology and our own level of security to see how it could affect us so that we can act accordingly. for example, in minority report, they had those little spiders that were sent in to do surveillance. we all know these college students are working feverishly for better grades by enhancing these little radioshack project toys into something these maniacal government agents can use against peaceful individuals.

for me, it's about critical thinking and thinking proactively instead of, AND on top of, relying on the letter of the law and reacting to police encounters to help keep us protected! in other words, i want to be more than just one step ahead of LEOs on all levels in regards to this War on Peace!

I think that may be the new catch phrase from now on... War on Peace! what you guys think about that one? am i too late? lol
 
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I always enjoy the posts that say 'ooh someday they may save your life' or 'what about the real criminals' etc....

We don't need a paramilitary in our streets to catch speeders, we don't need it period. I could do well with quite a few less cops, whose primary job is to wait until they need to check us (the general population, once we've figured out the lies).

If you've ever stopped and wondered why we have a crime problem (real, honest to god crime) in some cities, you would not be laughed off the block to draw the conclusion the crime rate is so high because the community is not involved.

If there is a crime problem in my neighborhood, my neighbors and I can address it, not some prison-industrial complex bullshit.

Police do not address crime, communities do. Police serve to remove responsibility from the people ("It's not my job")

Once again, "The American" defending the prison/military-industrial complex. I'm gonna go ahead and use some karma up wishing for you to be thrown into the system. You obviously have a severe lack of experience in that department.

Have a sherrifs deputy ignore a court order in his face for a custody matter because another well healed party says they don't like that court order.

Have 'em point weapons on you for no good reason other than a hunch, then have 'em rob your money and your stash, and book you like a hardened criminal.

Worse yet, after you're booked, the officer will then give you a ride back to your car, and ALL but apologize for what he just did to you, and then indicate his appreciation for not being a dickhead to him.

He knew what he was doing was wrong, and did it anyways for a dollar. What a prick.

These self-funded law enforcement agencies are a threat to everyone.

"OH THEY'RE NOT ALL BAD!" you say. Well when little jimmy joins the crips, as a lookout or whatever, when he puts those colors on, he is a gangbanger. If this gang is involved in criminal activities, he is also a criminal. Doesn't matter if his sole function is to bring crack dealers their punch or whatever. Same with the fuzz.

I don't understand why you try so hard not to form one blanket opinion of the police as rotten sons of bitches. They've got an opinion of you, as a grower, and nothing you can do, or say, will change it.

They're waging war on you, with your own tax dollars none the less, and you find every possible chance to come to their defense.

You are one or more of the following:

Ignorant
Stupid
Crazy
Malicious

Oh, and if Fred wishes to attempt to take my share, I would hope that others in my community would come to my defense. Basically, the idea that fred would come take my stuff is pretty laughable, because law and order still prevail. It just wouldn't be centralized at the federal level. This be the problem

I'd defend yours.
 
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PoppinFresh

Active member
sgt.stedanko said:
I always enjoy the posts that say 'ooh someday they may save your life' or 'what about the real criminals' etc....

We don't need a paramilitary in our streets to catch speeders, we don't need it period. I could do well with quite a few less cops, whose primary job is to wait until they need to check us (the general population, once we've figured out the lies).

If you've ever stopped and wondered why we have a crime problem (real, honest to god crime) in some cities, you would not be laughed off the block to draw the conclusion the crime rate is so high because the community is not involved.

If there is a crime problem in my neighborhood, my neighbors and I can address it, not some prison-industrial complex bullshit.

Police do not address crime, communities do. Police serve to remove responsibility from the people ("It's not my job")

Once again, "The American" defending the prison/military-industrial complex. I'm gonna go ahead and use some karma up wishing for you to be thrown into the system. You obviously have a severe lack of experience in that department.

Have a sherrifs deputy ignore a court order in his face for a custody matter because another well healed party says they don't like that court order.

Have 'em point weapons on you for no good reason other than a hunch, then have 'em rob your money and your stash, and book you like a hardened criminal.

Worse yet, after you're booked, the officer will then give you a ride back to your car, and ALL but apologize for what he just did to you, and then indicate his appreciation for not being a dickhead to him.

He knew what he was doing was wrong, and did it anyways for a dollar. What a prick.

These self-funded law enforcement agencies are a threat to everyone.

"OH THEY'RE NOT ALL BAD!" you say. Well when little jimmy joins the crips, as a lookout or whatever, when he puts those colors on, he is a gangbanger. If this gang is involved in criminal activities, he is also a criminal. Doesn't matter if his sole function is to bring crack dealers their punch or whatever. Same with the fuzz.

I don't understand why you try so hard not to form one blanket opinion of the police as rotten sons of bitches. They've got an opinion of you, as a grower, and nothing you can do, or say, will change it.

They're waging war on you, with your own tax dollars none the less, and you find every possible chance to come to their defense.

You are one or more of the following:

Ignorant
Stupid
Crazy
Malicious

Oh, and if Fred wishes to attempt to take my share, I would hope that others in my community would come to my defense. Basically, the idea that fred would come take my stuff is pretty laughable, because law and order still prevail. It just wouldn't be centralized at the federal level. This be the problem

I'd defend yours.

i think the concept we're missing the most is that the community developed police for that very purpose. police officers were a major part of the community because they came from the community. the problem is that the police are totally disconnected, or have never been connected, with the local community. now it becomes like hiring mercenaries.

in my neighborhood, mostly black and hispanic, i rarely see a black or hispanic police officer or firefighter responding calls. they are all practically "bussed in" from predominantly white communities, quite a few of them gated! i go down to Chinatown and i see tons of Asian police officers all around. what amazes me is the interaction between them and the community - IT EXISTS. they actually know the people who work and live in the area. i don't see why it can't be that way where i live as well. there are plenty of black and hispanic cops around.

i agree with you that it's the community's duty to do the policing. but keep in mind WHO is in that community. unfortunately, in my situation, my community leaders include those who aren't interested in the racial makeup of individual neighborhoods or maybe they are more interested than it seems!
 

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Jack D Ripper said:
edit: Also, I always see signs on the interstate like "All vehicles must stop and be searched ", "drug checkpoint 500 feet ahead" the cops will have a few cars pulled over, but no intention of stopping everyone. They put these signs RIGHT BEFORE rest areas, and undercovers look for sketchy people who pull into the rest area freaking out or trying to hide lb.s of drugs.

If that be the case, they only pull over certain vehicles, the system is flawed and should not be used--they can discriminate on who gets pulled over. Also, even if they do completely random searches, the system would be flawed...they could, mathmatically, probably miss every drunk driver and maniac out there; they would, in reality miss some, so they would have to:

Watch for erratic drivers, and seek them out, as they do on an individual basis--makes the only sense to me.

Gestapo tactics suck!!! They cannot stop everyone!
 

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