POLICE SURVEILLANCE!

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MASSACHUSETTS STATE POLICE
The Massachusetts State Police 3D Program, (Dangerous Drunk and Drugged Driving) uses an aggressive driving team of troopers who are assigned to the team for one year. The team uses marked and unmarked patrol vehicles, and also unmarked or non-traditional vehicles, typically seized from drug or criminal interdiction cases. They equip the vehicles with in-car video cameras, radar units, and emergency lights. A uniformed officer assigned to the unmarked vehicle works in conjunction with two or more marked patrol vehicles.

The unmarked or non-traditional patrol vehicles work in areas that have been identified as aggressive driving problem areas, such as areas of high incidences of crashes, congestion or fatalities. When they observe a violation, the officer in the unmarked or non-traditional vehicle positions the patrol vehicle so that the driving behavior can be video taped. The officer gives the marked patrol vehicles their location. The unmarked vehicle maintains contact with the violator until the marked unit is behind the violator and a stop is initiated. Since the officer in the unmarked vehicle is in uniform, if the driving behavior is egregious, the officer will initiate the traffic stop to eliminate the hazardous driving behavior. By maintaining this process, Massachusetts State Police has not had any pursuits.

Unmarked patrol units are equipped with rear deck lights so when following an aggressive driver and trying to initiate a traffic stop, the deck lights are activated. The motorist behind the patrol vehicle will have ample time to slow and avoid a collision.

Troopers work 4-5 hour shifts on the road. At the end of their shift, they report to the Troop Headquarters. The trooper runs a computer check on the driver history for the drivers that they cited that day. If the driver’s license history showed more than three aggressive driving behaviors, within the last three years, they refer the driver to the Registry of Motor Vehicles and file a report to "Request for Immediate Threat of Suspension or Revocation" hearing. If the Registry of Motor Vehicle suspends or revokes a drivers license, they require the driver to attend either remedial driver training or anger management.

Special Features
The "Request for Immediate Threat of Suspension or Revocation" hearing uses laws that are already in place to deal with the aggressive driver. In addition, the officer checks to see if there is a pattern of aggressive driving and recommends compulsory training to change the driver’s behavior.
Handouts are given to all drivers about the dangers of aggressive driving.
Massachusetts State Police’s handout that is given to drivers after a traffic stop by the aggressive driving enforcement team.

The use of in-car video cameras helps the officer establish evidence for court. The Massachusetts State Police has found that the use of the videotapes has also decreased court time for their troopers. Boxing-in the violator until a marked police vehicle can make the traffic stop has allowed the Massachusetts State Police to maintain control of the stop. The concern of the public of stopping for an unmarked police vehicle is eliminated because a marked law enforcement vehicle makes the traffic stop unless the driving behavior is especially egregious. This technique also allows for positive identification of the violator and prevents chases from occurring from the use of unmarked patrol vehicles.

Project Outcome
The Massachusetts State Police have held more than 300 "Request for Immediate Threat of Suspension or Revocation" hearings. The arresting officers have not lost one ruling. Every case referred to the Registry of Motor Vehicles has resulted in the driver’s license being suspended or revoked.

Legal Considerations
By using the "Immediate Threat Report Form," the Massachusetts State Police use a law that is already in place, but one that has been underutilized. And, since not one ruling has gone against the charging law enforcement officer, this is a good indicator that their method of addressing the repeat aggressive driver is effective.
More Information
Major Stephen Leary
Troop C Commander
Massachusetts State Police
612 Main St., Route 122A
Holden, MA 01520
(508) 829-8300

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/enforce/aggressdrivers/aggenforce/mass.html
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PENNSYLVANIA STATE POLICE
Pennsylvania State Police uses two different programs to address aggressive driving enforcement, Operation Centipede and TAG-D, (Ticket the Aggressive Driver). The Operation Centipede program uses 8-10 officers, who are positioned throughout the target area, one to two miles apart. The officers are in both marked and unmarked vehicles, some with radar units and some with radar detectors.

The officers are advised to strictly enforce all posted speed limits and cite any aggressive driving behaviors. As the motoring public passes the first trooper, they may feel there will not be any other troopers for several miles. When they pass another trooper within two miles and then another trooper within another two miles, there is the perception that troopers will be found all along the route.

The TAG-D program also uses marked and unmarked law enforcement vehicles, a vehicle that appears disabled, radar, fixed wing aircraft, and pursuit vehicles. Officers are advised what driving behaviors they are targeting for enforcement on the day of the saturation patrol effort.
Project Outcome

During 1998, Pennsylvania saw a five percent decrease in crashes with fatalities or injuries in areas targeted as part of the Operation Centipede and TAG-D highway safety enforcement programs. The number of crashes with fatalities or injuries decreased from 4,045 to 3,838. The total number of crashes with or without injuries decreased from 6,076 to 5,656, a drop of six percent. 7

Since the Pennsylvania State Police started the Operation Centipede and TAG-D programs in 1997, crashes with deaths or injuries requiring transportation for treatment of injuries, dropped by nearly 24 percent in the areas targeted by the enforcement programs.

More Information
Lieutenant Jerry Roberts
Pennsylvania State Police
Bureau of Patrol
1800 Elmerton Avenue
Harrisburg, PA 17110
(717) 783-5517

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/enforce/aggressdrivers/aggenforce/pennsylvania.html
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OHIO STATE HIGHWAY PATROL
The Ohio State Highway Patrol’s (OSHP) aggressive driving program is called, Operation TRIAD, Targeting Reckless, Intimidating, and Aggressive Drivers. District and local highway patrol posts are responsible for researching and recommending Operation TRIAD sites, providing manpower for the enforcement details, coordinating local law enforcement and media coverage. Operation TRIAD uses a large, fixed-wing aviation division and local highway patrol officers, combined with local law enforcement officers to deter aggressive or dangerous driving acts.

Aggressive driving enforcement will be used during peak traffic volume and density locations, complaint areas, high DUI areas, school bus routes, and high crash railroad crossings. The Operation TRIAD master plan uses the following driving behaviors as guidelines for targeting enforcement:
• Following too close
• Passing off the travel portion of highway
• Lane change violations
• Speeding beyond the traffic flow
• Merging into traffic from on-ramp through safety or gore area
• Failure to yield at ramps or intersections
• Railroad crossing violations
• Displaying or using a weapon

Special Features
The availability of twelve fixed-wing aircraft to observe traffic safely and to assist law enforcement reduces the number of complaints received about unsafe driving. The OSHP offers the aviation section services to local city and county law enforcement agencies to address their local traffic concerns.

Extensive media coverage of Operation TRIAD has been very successful in increasing public awareness about the enforcement details and in encouraging a safe driving environment for all motorists.

Project Outcome
During a given evaluation period, approximately half of all citations written during an Operation TRIAD enforcement effort were for speeding. With the use of the fixed-wing aircraft, the most common aggressive driving behaviors observed were following too close and passing off the travel portion of the highway.

Legal Considerations
The OSHP aviation section works closely with the local judges to train them about traffic safety and specifically aggressive driving. The section pilot contacts newly elected judges, and offers a ride-along in the plane to observe traffic from the air. The judges can see the traffic problems from the air and they can see how an operation works. They can observe how the pilot can follow a vehicle for two to five miles and develop a driving pattern over an extended distance. They can see how easy it is to maintain visual contact, make positive identification from the air and communicate this information to the ground troops.

More Information
S/Lieutenant Keith Haney?Aviation Section Commander?Ohio State Highway Patrol?2829 W. Dublin Granville Road?Columbus, OH 43235?(614) 466-4468

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/enforce/aggressdrivers/aggenforce/ohio.html

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MARYLAND STATE POLICE
The United States Army Aberdeen Test Center, in a technology transfer initiative with the Federal Highway Administration, the Maryland State Highway Administration, and the Maryland State Police (MSP), developed the A.D.V.A.N.C.E. (Aggressive Driving Video and Non Contact Enforcement) Vehicle. The system was developed to assist the MSP in identifying aggressive drivers on the Capital Beltway.

The vehicle uses lasers to determine the range and speed of vehicles on the highway and a computer system to record video images of the front, side and rear of a vehicle when the vehicle’s measured speed exceeds a predetermined threshold. The information is quickly assembled into a violation report that is sent to the violator. A manual override allows the operator to trigger the acquisition of video data in order to capture other aggressive driving patterns such as following too close and erratic lane changes.

The operator is able to view live video from any camera by selecting the appropriate switch on the front of the video monitor. The system also has the capability of recording traffic statistical information as speed distributions (histograms) of vehicles in the flow of traffic. These data allow the operator to estimate the average speed of traffic.

Data is saved on a removable disk and subsequently used to generate violation reports that can be analyzed or mailed to the owner of the vehicle. The operator can review any and all data on the computer monitor.
Special Features

The Project A.D.V.A.N.C.E. vehicle, designed by Aberdeen Test Center is fully equipped with state-of-the-art-technology. MSP uses a strong media campaign advising drivers of the Project A.D.V.A.N.C.E. vehicle, highway signs, and other unmarked patrol vehicles to help the MSP deal with an estimated 200,000 vehicles a day that drive on the Capital Beltway.

Technology Used
The Project A.D.V.A.N.C.E. uses a vehicle equipped with technology that has not traditionally been used in traffic enforcement. The lidar speed-measuring device, coupled with a new device called Autosense, measures the speed of the vehicle. The Autosense device triggers the side and rear cameras to take pictures of the vehicle, the registration plate and the operator. The A.D.V.A.N.C.E. system establishes a database of violations that includes pictures of the vehicle, that can be mailed to the vehicle’s owner.

Project Outcome
The design and implementation of the A.D.V.A.N.C.E. project is a joint technology exchange between the Department of Defense, United States Army, Federal Highway Administration, Maryland State Highway Commission, and MSP. Cooperating efforts like this will continue to bring new technologies to the law enforcement arena to improve officer and law enforcement effectiveness. Each time the A.D.V.A.N.C.E. vehicle is used, more is learned about how to improve the vehicle and the system.

A strong public information and education campaign, along with highway signs advising of the A.D.V.A.N.C.E. vehicle and support by other Maryland State Police will educate the public about aggressive driving and help change driving behavior.

Legal Considerations
In the State of Maryland, citations cannot be mailed to the violator. The law enforcement officer has to make immediate contact with the driver and the driver has to be allowed to sign the citation. Enabling legislation is needed to allow citations to be mailed to the violator.

A traffic violation in Maryland currently assesses points to the driving record. Since points are assessed, the driver has to be contacted and identified immediately. Jurisdictions that currently use photo enforcement have reduced citations to a civil infraction. There are no points assessed and the driver only pays a fine.

More Information
Sergeant Janet Harrison?Maryland State Police?Commercial Vehicle Division?901 Elkridge Landing Road, Suite 300?Linthicum Heights, MD 21090?(410) 694-6100

 

[HuffAndPuff]

FROM A FORUM.OFFICER.COM THREAD--> Good view from their warped eyes... this is what we are dealing with, people. Fratboy meathead types with below average intelligence, and guns. Scary stuff...r

Unwritten Rules Rookies should know....
Like most officers who have been the police for five years or more, I became concerned over the lack of common sense displayed by some of our new officers. I decided that the failing wasn't necessarily the rookie's fault, but probably their FTO's for not informing them of the "rules." In that spirit, I offer a few lessons you rookies should take to heart.

1. Out here, everybody lies.
Out on the street, every non-police person you come in contact with will lie to you. The criminals will lie to you because they have to. The victims will lie to you out of embarrassment, to hide their own criminal activity, and to hide all the stupid things they did that led to their being victimized in the first place. Witnesses and other citizens will lie to you just for fun. Always know and just accept that you are never, ever being told the whole story.

2. They lied to you during training.
Most of what you learned in during training will need to be forgotten. Most of what you learned in traing doesn't work. For example, unlike during training with your classmates, the bad guys on the street will not hold still long enough for you to scream, "Stop, stop, stop!", step back, and deliver a perfect knee strike to the bad guy's common peroneal.

3. Never take the word of a drunk person over that of a sober person.
I cannot count the number of times I have watched a rookie agonize over who to believe in a dispute between a drunk and a sober person. Simplify your life. The drunk is always wrong. The drunk is drunk and therefore, can't remember what happened anyway. Referring back to rule #1, his drunken lies will be stupid and insulting, while the sober person's lies will probably be better thought out and plausible. If you know somebody in the disorder needs to go to jail, and you can't decide which one, take the drunk.

4. Civilian ridealongs are not your friends.
My department tends to assign civilian riders to new officers, presumably because they will be more eager to get into stuff, and also because the old heads won't take them. Treat the civilian rider, especially one you didn't bring with you but was approved through the chief's office as a spy. Do not tell them war stories about how you and several other officers beat some thug down. Do not show the ridealong all the cool places where you and you partners go to hide when you don't have a call and want to slack off. Assume that everything you say to them will make it's way back to the chief because it will. Your ridealong may not personally care about the guy you and your buddies had to beat down, but if it's a good story, they'll tell a friend, who'll tell a friend. Remember that "Kevin Bacon" game. Everyone in your city is only six relationships away from your chief and probably quite less.

5. Sit back and listen to the veterans. If you really did know everything about being a cop, they would have sent you straight to being chief. God gave you two ears and one mouth because He wanted you to listen twice as much as talk.

6. Some night, someone will try to kill you. You do not when, who or where. Therefore, consider everyone with whom you come in contact to be a potential threat. That doesn't mean you draw down on a soccer mom in a minivan, but NEVER let your guard down. Like Rowdy Roddy Piper says, just when you think you know the answers, we change the questions.

7. If you need help, ask for it. That goes for everything from asking your sergeant for advice on a minor case where you are confused to calling for Code 3 cover when facing a threat. The only stupid question is the one you don't ask.

8. NEVER, EVER lie. That is the one thing that will absolutely for sure get you fired. If your FTO, sergeant or IA questions you, tell the truth. They most likely already know the answer.

9. Have fun with the job and don't take yourself too seriously. This doesn't mean be unsafe, just don't get uptight and think that we are on a crusade. Loosen up, see the humor in ugly situations and fine-tune your sense of the ironic.

10. If you think someone is watching you....they are.

11 THE FNG BUYS THE DONUTS AND COFFEE!

12 Never, ever, under ANY circumstances stop your radio car in such a position that your FTO has to step into a mud puddle when getting out of the car

 

[HuffAndPuff]

ALSO FROM PIGS.COM---> there's like 4 pages of replies to this that basically say, "holy shit, you're right! I do do all off these things! Haha, I said doo-doo!"


"Spotting off-duty cops
I can do it easily. They sit facing the door of the restaurant and preferably the cash register, and their eyes roam everyone that comes in. Usually, they're hiding a peice, which they think they're hiding.

A stick-up guy can spot a cop, or so I was told by a very experienced (and non-violent) stick-up guy. Body language.

I worked dope for a goodly while, and had to break a lot of habits. Choosing where to sit was one of them. Looking relaxed was another.

Just a hint. You do as you feel necessary."

 

[Depths Of OG]

^-- That sounds all true to me. These cops deal with a lot worse shit than a couple potheads blazing out in the woods. Try going to domestic disturbances all night, being attacked by angry husbands/wives, screamed at by drunk drivers, etc. You have no idea what police go through on a daily basis. Have you ever been shot at, have you ever risked your life trying to apprehend a dangerous murderer that may one day rape/kill one of your family members?

Quit acting like spoiled little arrogant potsmokers and just be people. Some of you allow this weed thing to define you. I've been smoking for 12 years, growing for 7+ years, and it does not make me who I am. I have nothing against cops. You idiot will all cry, bitch, and moan until you need them!

 

[RevolutionX]

Fukin Right On brotha. We need more worthy contributions like so to help us stay safe. Excellent read my friend. A double K++ for you!

 

[HuffAndPuff]

DepthsofOG, you seem to be the one acting like an arrogant pot smoker, coming in here and pissing on my thread. I do not see me doing any crying, bitching or moaning here, either. In case you missed the very obvious point, I'll re-state it for you.

Police have willingly signed up for their "dangerous" careers. As with any profession in this vein, or pay grade, there are going to be many 'theory X' workers on the job. These are people who are in it for the paycheck and retirement package. Maybe even a slight power trip. These officers will spend their time picking off the easiest targets. My goal is to make myself a much tougher target, in hopes that the real criminals will be dumber, more obvious and easier. This way, not only do I not get busted, the real criminals do.

You also seem to be very misinformed as to how police actually go about policing. The vast majority of their time is spent on traffic patrols, construction details (napping with the blues on, while other people work hard) and filling out paperwork. Very rarely are they doing the investigative forensic, crime fighting stuff you are talking about. And kudos to those guys, they are keeping some people safe. Plus, they ain't looking for me, so I could care less.

I care about the ones who might see me as easy pickins, and I wan't to avoid that at all costs. I mean, look at what the Feds have done to marijuana growers! They are calling us terrorists so they can continue to justify using their gestapo tactics on us, without eliciting an outcry from the public-at-large. They do this because we are easy, non-violent targets. Would you rather suit up for war and scare the shit out of a bunch of dopers, and be able to tell yourself you saved the children, or head into a crack infested ghetto and where the perps were better armed than you? I thought so.

All I'm saying, is let's at least make them work for it. I think they would see it as admirable anyway. After all, the good ones should be unconcerned by all of this. It ain't gonna matter what we do, because he's gonna get us anyway. I shit you not, I had a detective tell me, "We don't usually catch the smart ones, but fortunately, you don't need a degree to be a criminal." That is absolutely true, and the lesson I took away was, "Just be smart!" Take an Intro to Criminology class, you might learn something. Ya Jackass.

[EDIT: Ok, so I just read through your posts, Mr. DepthsofOG. You, sir, are an asshat of the first order! You only contributions to our community so far have been un-funny sarcasm, racism, and rudeness. I suggest you get yourself a broom, a dustpan, and some glue... Then sweep your life together and see if you can't fix ole humpty dumpty once and for all. Seriously, fix it, contribute something useful and worthwhile, or get the eff out of here.

Poppin'- the disagreement was in the iPhone thread. You are performing far more admirably in here, thank you for your kind words!]

 

[HuffAndPuff]

HERES ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE FROM THE PIG'S SNOUT

"In your face
I stopped a car last night for speeding 55 in a 45. Two black males inside the vehicle and the driver passes his black and mild over to his passenger when I approach and I collect his information. I write him a ticket for speeding, and he says "man I aint tryin to have no ticket" and holds it for a long time before actually signing it. When he finally does I go back and get in my car. When he leaves he spins his tires out, whips around and leaves the parking lot we were at by peeling out again. So I pull him over again and give him a reckless driving ticket. This time he has the black and mild and is leaning out the window (not a great deal) but enough to blow the smoke right in my face. Didn't really know what to do about it, so I just finished the citation and kept my cool. I did get an adrenaline dump I guess because it was threatening in nature to me and I was ready for him to try something. He got my boss's name and number and said "I was the best cop ever". I figured still being new I'd save my smartass "well if Im the best cop ever I guess youll have good things to tell my boss then" comment. Gave him the citation and went 10-8. He will still leaning out the window yelling at me when I drove away. Anything you guys would have done differently?"

A choice reply....

"Reckless is a misd. Careless is a civil where I am from. Misd. are arrestable. Get him out, pat him down, cuff him up and put him in your car. Then search subsequent to the arrest and find what you can. take your time, call for an additional unit, 30 or 40 minutes is not unreasonable. Get his buddy out and pat him down, ID him what not. Put him in a car for a while and let him know its his buddies fault. Better yet make him walk away. Giving him a 40 minute head start. Arrest him for what you find if anything . If not cite and release with bond and a court date. The bond is to make sure he comes to court.

The black and mild thing just makes it that much more fun. If your lucky he will resist because he doesnt think you can arrest for a driving misd. Then you have a felony. People talk there way into jail everyday."

 

[PoppinFresh]

DepthsofOG, you seem to be the one acting like an arrogant pot smoker, coming in here and pissing on my thread. I do not see me doing any crying, bitching or moaning here, either. In case you missed the very obvious point, I'll re-state it for you.

Police have willingly signed up for their "dangerous" careers. As with any profession in this vein, or pay grade, there are going to be many 'theory X' workers on the job. These are people who are in it for the paycheck and retirement package. Maybe even a slight power trip. These officers will spend their time picking off the easiest targets. My goal is to make myself a much tougher target, in hopes that the real criminals will be dumber, more obvious and easier. This way, not only do I not get busted, the real criminals do.

You also seem to be very misinformed as to how police actually go about policing. The vast majority of their time is spent on traffic patrols, construction details (napping with the blues on, while other people work hard) and filling out paperwork. Very rarely are they doing the investigative forensic, crime fighting stuff you are talking about. And kudos to those guys, they are keeping some people safe. Plus, they ain't looking for me, so I could care less.

I care about the ones who might see me as easy pickins, and I wan't to avoid that at all costs. I mean, look at what the Feds have done to marijuana growers! They are calling us terrorists so they can continue to justify using their gestapo tactics on us, without eliciting an outcry from the public-at-large. They do this because we are easy, non-violent targets. Would you rather suit up for war and scare the shit out of a bunch of dopers, and be able to tell yourself you saved the children, or head into a crack infested ghetto and where the perps were better armed than you? I thought so.

All I'm saying, is let's at least make them work for it. I think they would see it as admirable anyway. After all, the good ones should be unconcerned by all of this. It ain't gonna matter what we do, because he's gonna get us anyway. I shit you not, I had a detective tell me, "We don't usually catch the smart ones, but fortunately, you don't need a degree to be a criminal." That is absolutely true, and the lesson I took away was, "Just be smart!" Take an Intro to Criminology class, you might learn something. Ya Jackass.

damn it... "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HuffAndPuff again."

and DAMN RIGHT!

 

[PoppinFresh]

HERES ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE FROM THE PIG'S SNOUT

"In your face
I stopped a car last night for speeding 55 in a 45. Two black males inside the vehicle and the driver passes his black and mild over to his passenger when I approach and I collect his information. I write him a ticket for speeding, and he says "man I aint tryin to have no ticket" and holds it for a long time before actually signing it. When he finally does I go back and get in my car. When he leaves he spins his tires out, whips around and leaves the parking lot we were at by peeling out again. So I pull him over again and give him a reckless driving ticket. This time he has the black and mild and is leaning out the window (not a great deal) but enough to blow the smoke right in my face. Didn't really know what to do about it, so I just finished the citation and kept my cool. I did get an adrenaline dump I guess because it was threatening in nature to me and I was ready for him to try something. He got my boss's name and number and said "I was the best cop ever". I figured still being new I'd save my smartass "well if Im the best cop ever I guess youll have good things to tell my boss then" comment. Gave him the citation and went 10-8. He will still leaning out the window yelling at me when I drove away. Anything you guys would have done differently?"

A choice reply....

"Reckless is a misd. Careless is a civil where I am from. Misd. are arrestable. Get him out, pat him down, cuff him up and put him in your car. Then search subsequent to the arrest and find what you can. take your time, call for an additional unit, 30 or 40 minutes is not unreasonable. Get his buddy out and pat him down, ID him what not. Put him in a car for a while and let him know its his buddies fault. Better yet make him walk away. Giving him a 40 minute head start. Arrest him for what you find if anything . If not cite and release with bond and a court date. The bond is to make sure he comes to court.

The black and mild thing just makes it that much more fun. If your lucky he will resist because he doesnt think you can arrest for a driving misd. Then you have a felony. People talk there way into jail everyday."

that's something i am so against. that whole macho show, especially comin from black folk. we know we're targeted more often than anyone in history and then you have these cockwads who do the dumbest shit! then you've got this silly ass cop who just wants to be a hardass and hopefully murder someone. two dickheads don't make a baby ya know!

personally, it's 10 ****in miles.. white cop in nyc of all places let me off with a warning, i was doing 60+ in a 35 on riverside drive. i honestly can say i deserved a speeding ticket there. maybe my pearly yellow smile did the trick i suppose lol. but at 10 ****in miles... hello warning, good bye waste of time ticket. and for those bruthas in the other car and any others, quit frontin for real. it aint necessary, especially when them white boys got guns and they playin scared. fear and firearms dont mix especially when you're not the one holding the gun!

 

[Guest]

^-- That sounds all true to me. These cops deal with a lot worse shit than a couple potheads blazing out in the woods. Try going to domestic disturbances all night, being attacked by angry husbands/wives, screamed at by drunk drivers, etc. You have no idea what police go through on a daily basis. Have you ever been shot at, have you ever risked your life trying to apprehend a dangerous murderer that may one day rape/kill one of your family members?

I don’t have any sympathy for someone who puts themselves in those kinds of situations and while there jobs may be hard they are still scum.

Something must be inherently wrong with you if you want to have that kind of power over other individuals.

Quit acting like spoiled little arrogant potsmokers and just be people.

I don’t know who you think some of us are but I’m not spoiled. All my opinions from cops come from real life situations. What do you think all us came from white middle class homes in upper class suburbia or something. Just stop talking!

Some of you allow this weed thing to define you. I've been smoking for 12 years, growing for 7+ years, and it does not make me who I am. I have nothing against cops. You idiot will all cry, bitch, and moan until you need them!

Again, you couldn’t point many of us out from a damn hole in the wall so shut up. Pot doesn’t make me who I am either but it doesn’t change my opinions on cops nor do I think I need them. In fact, I can’t think of one time where I have asked a cop for anything other than directions! I don't want cops, need cops, or damn well feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for the peoples lives they ruin every day!!!!!

not only that, but cops are important in keeping status quo. they are the protectors of the overall system. a system of festering shit.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

HeavyBinger- This nug is for you... Again from thepigstrough.com

"Request for directions during traffic stop

I made a traffic stop today and was in the process of writing the citation when I noticed a truck pulling up next to me. He stops, rolls down his window and says "Excuse me, officer, but I'm a little lost and..."

"Sir, can't you see I'm on a traffic stop? This is not the time or the place. Go find a gas station and ask there."

I thought I handled it pretty well and my FTO agreed.

Always curious what is going on in folks' mind..."


meh, ok, you're rude, scared, AND useless. Let's see what you buddies have to say.....

"I get that constantly. I hate it , just blows officer safety right out the window. I love when you are sitting somewhere and you see someone is trying to pull in to talk to you. If I'm in a mood I just drive off real quick."

"Omg! I hate it when that happens only happend to me once but once was enough. Stopped a car for seatbelt violation(she didnt wear it b/c it hurt her shoulder lol). We have blue lights on and we pulled the vehicle on the side of the road and this truck comes by on THE RIGHT side of the road well it wasnt really the road but more grass and dirt. He says thank god! "I yell get your vehicle back were on a stop!" he moves. After we are done with the violater i ask him what does he want and hes on the phone with finger up saying one minute. His wife asks me for directions and I said I dont know she said well your an officer shouldnt you know? i then said "Do you have any idea what you just did? You know you put me and the other officer in danger? If they had a gun and started shooting what would you have done then?" i then left them witout directions and the other officer tehn decided to walk up to them and the man was like "He was rude to me and I didnt deserve that. I have 31 years of law enforcement." Obviously tthe man must have some memory lapse because if he did he would of known not to do that on a traffic stop."

"After working the jail you learn quickly, not to let any get your attention away when you are dealing with someone or something. And out on patrol you are even a bigger target. A suspect usually has more friends out there than you think.

Asking for directions during a stop, I will not be polite. It’s called controlling the situations and command presence. Allowing someone to distract you is neither."


STILL WANNA ASK THE HELPFUL FRIENDLY COPS FOR DIRECTIONS?

 

[greenhead]

STILL WANNA ASK THE HELPFUL FRIENDLY COPS FOR DIRECTIONS?

I'm obviously not a cop, but I wouldn't give any directions to anybody either, if I was a cop and I was in the middle of doing something, such as stopping another car for whatever reason. That would apply to any job that I was doing, I wouldn't like to be interrupted if I was in the middle of doing something.

Some people have no common sense, and often people get into trouble with cops because they're complete morons and they're asking for it. If somebody's walking around with an attitude that all cops are pigs and they have a hard time hiding that attitude, and they end up getting themselves in trouble with cops because of their intentional provoking behavior, then I can't really say that I feel sorry for those types of morons. Sometimes it's even funny to watch cop videos when they beat down complete asshats that are asking for it.

I've met some cool cops before, and some that were not so cool. I would never judge them all and call them pigs, because that's simply not the case.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

yeah, I get it. I agree it ain't the smartest move in the world, and I come from the Dave Chappelle School of Talking to Cops, anyway. It's a waste of weed.

I waver on the "are they pigs or aren't they" thing, but today, I'm going with they are. I look at it like Switzerland during WWII. How is it that every other country went into massive depressions following the war and CH didn't? Because they used the neutrality thing as a cop-out, and were able to profit from both sides.

Cops are just unthinking cogs that help keep the works moving- excuse me if I don't treat them with reverence. And read those posts, us calling all of them pigs until they prove to us they are not, is no different from how they approach every citizen as a potential criminal threat.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

NOTES ON POLICE CARS

The 1998-2003 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor is the only remnant of the days when titanic rear-wheel-drive cop cars ruled the interstates. It is also the current bestseller among law enforcement agencies across the United States. Since the demise of Chevy's Caprice 9C1, officers have no choice but to adopt Ford's model since the competition from newer Chevy models is comparatively mediocre. That said, the Crown Vic is a capable police cruiser and can reel in most perps.

Police Interceptor models are easily recognized by their black-out grilles and black-out wheels with smaller-than-wheel-size shiny hubcaps, although some departments opt for normal Crown Vic wheels. You might even notice the cut-out on the A-pillar for the spotlight. The rear panel between the tail-lights is also blacked out and carries discrete "Police Interceptor" badging. All this should help you spot an unmarked unit on the highway if you plan on speeding (not that you would, of course), but mind you, the '98 models did not have black out grilles.

The Crown Vic is heavy, almost SUV-like heavy. It depends on this bulk to run suspects off the road should the need arise. It has an old-school V8 engine, but it doesn't provide nearly as much power as Chevy's small-block V8. It produces only 235 hp, which accounts for a quarter-mile time of sixteen seconds. In short, it has the same performance as your grandpa's Crown Vic. Ford also offers a 178 hp natural gas-powered version called NGV for light-duty patrols, which looks the same as the 235 hp Interceptor. But the cop version does have a heavy-duty frame, driveshaft, brakes, suspension and shocks to handle the rigors of a high speed pursuit over bumpy potholes and curbs. That's why it sits a few inches higher than the normal car. Police package equipment include things such as auxiliary power feeds, wiring packages, heavy-duty battery, alternator and cooling system, radio-interference-suppression bonding strap, engine and transmission oil coolers, removable headliner with extra roof reinforcements, inoperative inside rear-door handles and 225/60R16 tires on heavy-duty steel wheels.

Standard are all-wheel disc brakes, and independent short and long arm front and four bar link rear suspension. Top speed is limited to 129 mph and braking distances are long, at about 145 feet.

Specifications :
Price Range : Only sold to law enforcement agencies. Used ones
available at police auctions.

Engine : V8, SOHC, front engine RWD
Displacement : 4,600 cc
Valve : 16 valves, 2 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 4-spd automatic
Fuel economy : city - 16 mpg
highway - 22 mpg

Horsepower : 235 hp @ 4750 rpm
Torque : 275 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
0-60 mph : 8.7 sec.

Curb Weight : 4020 lbs
Overall length : 212.0 in.
Wheelbase : 114.7 in.
Overall Width : 78.2 in.
Height : 56.8 in.
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Some 16 years after abandoning the law enforcement market, Chrysler again offers rear-wheel-drive police packages, the Dodge Magnum and Charger. Although a police package for the Dodge Intrepid was available for three years before that model was discontinued, the Magnum and Charger remain the company's first rear-drive cop cars since the late, unloved 1991 Dodge Diplomat.

The Magnum SXT, powered by a 250 hp 3.5-liter SOHC V-6, was the first offering. As a Special Service Package, police-speak for "beefed-up but not intended for pursuits", the SXT is intended for K-9 units, general transport and similar roles. For the 2006 model year, the pursuit-rated 5.7-liter Hemi version and the Charger sedan joined the lineup. When equipped with the Hemi (340 hp and 390 lb-ft), it gives the Magnum/Charger a weight-to-power ratio of less than 12:1. (Crown Victoria: 16.5:1, Impala: 15.2:1.) This translates into 14.0 quarter mile times at 100 mph and a governed 146 mph top speed.

With 244 hp, the four-speed automatic V-6 Intrepid could reach 135 mph, as can the 250 hp SXT, at least when Dodge leaves it electronically ungoverned and there's no drag from a light bar.

Packing Hemi power and backed by a Mercedes-sourced five-speed automatic, Dodge limits the police Hemi's top speed to 146 mph, significantly more than the current Crown Victoria Police Interceptor's electronically-limited 129 mph. (When fitted with the optional 3.55 rear gears, the Crown Vic is limited to only 119 mph to prevent the composite driveshaft from coming apart. In contrast, Chrysler engineers admit privately that they've seen over 160 mph from some engineering mules at their Chelsea Proving Grounds west of Detroit.)

Having gone through numerous police pursuit driving schools--several of them week-long, instructor-level courses--it's been my experience that most police officers have very meager driving skills. Not surprisingly, they tend to crash with some regularity, witnessed by the carcasses of destroyed police vehicles littering the back lot of every police garage I've ever visited. (It's no coincidence that many Camaro-equipped departments mandated special driving classes for officers assigned to those cars.)

Equally telling, in the early Nineties Ford quietly shopped around a 140 mph police Taurus powered by the SHO high-output V-6. They dropped the idea after being told by many commanders that the collateral damage certain to accompany a 140 mph patrol car couldn't be justified. Their officers had been convincingly demonstrating an inability to control much slower cars for many years. Putting high-powered cars into their hands was an invitation to disaster, they said.

For law enforcement customers, 0-100 mph acceleration will be the most important performance attribute of the Hemi-powered Magnum. There's been a performance gap the past few years following the departure of the Camaro B4C Special Service Package, good for 0 to 100 mph in 14 seconds with a governed top speed of 159 mph.

In the mid-Nineties GM police-car program manager Bob Hapiak loaned me a new, fully equipped six-speed B4C for a year. After elaborately equipping the vehicle and turning it into an eye-catching show car, we trailered it around the country for two years, displaying it at major trade shows for a client and putting on demonstrations for the media. These included appearances on "Good Morning America" and a host of other TV shows. After a year I purchased it from Chevrolet and used it in a number of my own video productions, many of them training programs for police departments. It was fast and handled beautifully. But the low seating position, long, heavy doors, minimal cargo room and cramped interior made it somewhat less than ideal for police work. It had a single mission in life: traffic enforcement. And it was very good at its job. (By coincidence, at the same time I also owned a fully outfitted 1990 5-liter Mustang Special Service Package five-speed. In comparison, the Mustang was stone-age technology and its handling varied between heavy understeer and hair-raising oversteer, sometimes during the course of negotiating a single curve. The B4C Chevy could eat it for lunch.)

In comparison to the Dodge Magnum, the current 240 hp 3.9-liter pushrod V-6 police Chevrolet Impala and 250 hp 4.6-liter SOHC V-8 Ford Crown Vic can reach 100 mph in the low- to mid-20-second range. That's a bare car with only the driver aboard. When loaded with police equipment, acceleration lags even further. Aerodynamic drag from light bars, spotlights and push bumpers also significantly degrade top speed, particularly on the Ford with its less favorable power-to-weight ratio.

The Magnum and Charger's rear-wheel-drive and sophisticated four-wheel independent suspension deliver major handling advantages. Daimler-Benz is a master at developing multi-link suspensions and Dodge clearly benefits from ready access to the corporate Daimler-Chrysler engineering database and parts bin. In contrast, the Crown Victoria soldiers on with a solid rear axle with Watts linkage and the FWD Impala makes do with a fairly rudimentary independent rear suspension.

I first tested the Impala in the summer of 1999 at the Colorado State Patrol's high-speed 1.2-mile track northwest of Denver, just prior to its debut as a 2000 model. Aside from sampling the performance of this replacement for the 9C1 Caprice, in my opinion the best all-around police sedan ever, my crew and I were there to produce a documentary video on the new Chevy. To get some footage of the competition-and to compare their handling qualities-I asked the CSP to bring along a new Crown Victoria Police Interceptor as well.

After a dozen timed laps in each vehicle I verified that the Ford could run rings around the Chevy (then equipped with a wheezy 3.8-liter, 200 hp V-6) to the tune of two seconds per lap, a huge amount. The front-wheel-drive Impala is hampered by a significant front weight bias and the suspension is tuned for heavy understeer. It's nearly impossible to spin the car but it's a bit slow in exiting corners.

After about 35 laps around the track with assorted law enforcement brass behind the wheel, few with any driving talent and most of them rusty from years spent driving a desk, the right front tire had ground itself into rubber dust and I had to swap it for the spare to keep the car driveable.

More embarrassing, in my 265 hp 1997 Special Service Package 4WD Ford Expedition, with a full load of video production gear, a cameraman and three passengers, I reeled-in the Impala within two laps and passed it. The intention was merely to grab some car-to-car action shots but after falling in behind the Chevy, cameras rolling, I had to continually spike the brakes to keep from rear-ending it in the corners.

Admittedly, I'd developed a lowered, pursuit-capable suspension for the 5600-pound SUV--it could keep up with the Crown Vic--but the Impala's understeer and bog-slow acceleration coming out of low-speed, second-gear corners (it had a first-gear lockout to prevent manual engagement and refused full-throttle downshifts to first at speeds over about 25 mph), gave the 3-ton truck an edge over the 3600-pound car.

The Crown Victoria handles reasonably well on smooth roads but throw in some rough pavement and Watts linkage or not, the back end gets lively enough that reduced speeds are called for. Under the same conditions, the Charger and Magnum's much more rear sophisticated suspension helps it shrug off pavement irregularities and faithfully track through corners. On low-traction surfaces or cratered pavement the IRS gives it a clear advantage over other rear-drive police vehicles.

The Magnum's big cargo hold is of interest to police units that generally haul extra gear: SWAT, K-9 and so on. The Crown Victoria has a generous 20.6 cubic feet of trunk room and the Impala 18.4--but only if a mini spare is installed in the latter. The full-sized spare almost universally ordered eats up valuable real estate by sitting squarely in the middle of the trunk.

The Dodge Magnum has 27 cubic feet with rear seat upright. With the 60/40 split-rear bench folded flat, nearly 72 cubic feet of cargo room is available. The downside to the open cargo area is the requirement for a small second cage--a Plexiglas barrier--to keep cargo from flying forward in an accident, not to mention to keep prisoners from snooping around in the trunk.

The Charger has some 16.2 cubic feet of trunk room, significantly less than the competition.

The ZF Sachs Nivomat rear suspension is automatically self-leveling to maintain an even keel regardless of heavy loads. ZF Sachs ride engineer John Thompson spent three years tuning the suspensions of the LX-platform vehicles--Magnum/Charger and their civilian equivalents--including the excellent Chrysler 300C.

The ride, despite the low-profile 18-inch rubber and tightly snubbed suspension, isn't harsh and the payoff is minimal body roll and only moderate understeer. The dynamic stability control electronic nanny (Mercedes' ESP system)can be switched off entirely but left on, its threshold is high enough that a tail-out attitude can be maintained through corners without Mercedes' usual level of stubborn intrusiveness.

The police Magnum/Charger benefit from all the key attributes demanded by American law enforcement: high performance, excellent handling qualities, rear-wheel drive and beefy four-wheel disc brakes. Toss in a Hemi and we're talking about the fastest police car since the 140 mph-plus 1970 Dodge and Plymouth 440-powered sedans.

But performance alone hasn't led to big sales numbers. Dodge's police-vehicle program is a mess and the cars themselves are often priced too high to be competitive in state bids. Small wonder DCX sold barely 3,000 vehicles in 2006, the first year they had a two-model lineup. If prices come down and stay there, both cars could become players. In any event, a Hemi Charger is the last police car you'll want filling your mirrors.

Publisher's Note About the Author

Craig Peterson created Police magazine's annual road test issue in 1991 and personally road-tested and reviewed every police vehicle--cars, SUVs, undercover units, you name it--each year for the next decade. The industry isn't always happy with his unvarnished reports but respects his expertise. Chevrolet once rented Firebird Raceway in Phoenix exclusively for his use for a full day, trucking their entire police model lineup there, including some engineering mules, to allow him to test on the demanding road course.

 

[Guest]

Every time some intoxicated asshole nearly runs me down on my bike I appreciate the fact the "pigs" are out there trying to do something about it.Who's the pig anyway?The punkass who leaves the bar and runs over your little girl or my dog or the person trying to stop him?Find yourself in a terrible situation and the life "they" save may be your own.Just because this drug war sucks ass and some of the soldiers are wicked I refuse to be sucked into the all cops are pigs bullshit.

 

[DogBoy]

Spot on. That's the attitude that will keep you safe. All this bullshit and bravado about how ya gonna kill the pigs if they stop ya! is just shit talking. These are the ones who "Talk themselves to Jail". Best thing to do is simply keep stating the facts or stay quiet and dont show your anger. You can always beat on a tree after if your that frustrated. You cant deny they are more powerful than you, your job is to simply make it so they are not interested in the first place and minimise the damage when they are.

It's all in the attitude test. Pass that and your safe 99% of the time.

 

[Depths Of OG]

Some of you guys sound so ignorant. There's no magic trick to pulling off the grandest crime of all, driving with weed. I've delivered probably hundreds, if not thousands of pounds in my life.

Your little bag of pot, is about the last thing on the cops mind. Drugs play a very small roll in the daily routine of cops. Just because you always feel guilty in their eyes and cops are such power tripping assholes doesn't mean that's the actual case. Their daily routine primarily consists of responding to domestic situations, assisting in finding missing persons, answering alarm calls, and other calls for service. They go to bars to break up fights, set up permiters when a robbery, burglary, or other violent felonies occur... Their primary concern is removing dangerous morons from the street before they have the chance to reoffend; before they have the chance to rob you, or your grandmother leaving the grocery store. When someone is breaking into your house at 3am, or your buddy is getting his ass kicked by 12 dudes at a club, I bet your not going to be screaming **** THE COPS then.

You guys look wayyyy too deep into things. If you want to get by with your little 2 grams of dank, here's what you do.

a) Don't drive while intoxicated/high. It's not only a danger to yourself, but to others on the road, and most 1st year cops can tell almost immediately if someone is ****ed up.

b) Don't smoke while you are driving or in your car. SMELL IS INSTANT PC; PC=SEARCH YOUR CAR. Most idiots leave seeds, leaves, smoking devices, and other paraphernalia in their car.

c) Transport your illegal things out of sight and in the trunk. Even if a cop thinks he smells something and searches your vehicle, he's not going into the locked trunk.

d) Act like a ****ing human being, not a guilty as **** dumbass stoner. Be polite, appear helpful, and think of yourself as an actual contributing member of society. It's all in your head. If you think your guilty and don't believe yourself, the cop is not going to believe your an upstanding member of society. This is not rocket science.

 

[DD4Y]

I have to agree wholeheartedly with Depths of OG. DON"T BE STUPID,....

Here's an interesting video on your rights if you are stopped in the USA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

 

[PoppinFresh]

at the end of it all tho, the real question that begs to be answered is: who is policing the police? for lack of a higher order of authority or to identify the higher authority, it's the people that have to do their jobs of keeping these officers in check. unfortunately, it's a duty a lot of citizens are too frightened and/or lazy to keep up with while police officers enjoy that "freedom" to be above the law by maintaining this frightening facade. we all know the police are incapable of maintaining real order in their own ranks. concepts such as the blue wall of silence come to mind right now!

police officers are armed and dangerous at all times. we as a people have to do a better job of keeping the good officers on and eliminating the evil while defining and maintaining a good policy. there was once was a time when police identified with the community they policed. they knew the people and the people knew them. when police were hurt, the community was hurt and when the community was hurt, the police were hurt. it's very different now. these institutions have become so out of reach of the typical citizen that they've become their own society, separate and unequal from the rest of us. police officers see themselves as being above typical citizens and WE allow it!

police officers are not out there to help us in the sense that they've stopped doing the community favors through intelligent policing. they are there to cover their own asses and bust as many chops as possible. they've become "Terminators" created to follow their creator's directives; they don't bleed and breathe the same as we do anymore. this is the mindset we, as citizens, DO NOT want from our police officers. in the face of this type of policing attitude, we have to do a better job of knowing their capabilities because it's the only way many of us, legal or illegal, are going to survive some encounters.

i want to see a police officer that's going to see a crack head as a human being in need of help, not just another criminal in need of jail time. i want to see a corrections system where convicts are actually rehabilitated and not just hardened and retrained into elite criminals. ****, i just want to see a justice system that works from the top down.

on another note, i like to say that there are some good officers out there but truth be told, i'll never understand how any police officer can be truly considered good knowing all the dirty shit their fellow officers do. it's like a criminal organization tolerating snitches. police departments are the most backward organizations in the world. how can you uphold law and order when in your daily duties law and order is something you disregard. if a crime takes place, it's an officer's duty to stop that crime BUT if the criminal has a badge, it's somehow not a crime anymore!

we live in a caste system propagated by ignorant, stupid, lazy citizens and violent, corrupt police departments made worse by lawyers and judges that maintain the decline of society which further justifies a need for a complete overhaul of this justice system.

i don't see how an officer has "courage" when shooting down a human being but doesn't have the guts to say... THIS IS ****IN WRONG AND I WON'T DO IT! it's not an affront to the job, it's called having a ****in backbone and doing what's right! following the rule book is a sign of weakness used by pussies to either hide their own fears or maniacal aggression.

anyway, i'm all over the place but i think my point is that police officers in general are ****ing up society more than they are helping. i thank Huff for having the sense to get this information together to help ALL OF US make a better effort at keeping off/under the radar until this shit gets legalized.

 

[PoppinFresh]

I have to agree wholeheartedly with Depths of OG. DON"T BE STUPID,....

Here's an interesting video on your rights if you are stopped in the USA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

i agree as well but not wholeheartedly. there's nothing wrong with knowing the police on top of knowing your rights. what's wrong with gauging the mentality of typical police officers? what's wrong with being able to protect yourself in greater situations?

Huff is just compiling information! Some of us will find it useful, some of us won't and some of us are going to be interested in finding out all of this information. maybe it will end up a novelty post. maybe people will be in a position to utilize the information. but i think it's a reality check! this is the world we live in. these are the people that have sworn to protect us. we have a right and a duty to ourselves, friends, and family to know some of this shit, maybe not necessarily all of it, but definitely some!

and i still don't understand anyone's problem with having this info? what's wrong with information?